RE: Summary: identifiying unique users

2003-09-17 Thread Frank Maas
Ged wrote: 
 How to avoid multiple logins?
 
 The short answer is: you can't.
 
 Sure you can.  Charge $10 per login.

I don't want to clobber the list with non-technical trivia, but
even when you charge money, you can't avoid it. If only there is
one user that is willing to pay the amount twice, your scheme 
is broken. As with technical solutions: the higher the amount
you charge, the lesser the risk of people doing it. But the
risk remains...

--Frank


Re: Summary: identifiying unique users

2003-09-17 Thread Patrick Mulvany
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:39:58AM +0200, Frank Maas wrote:
 Ged wrote: 
  How to avoid multiple logins?
  
  The short answer is: you can't.
  
  Sure you can.  Charge $10 per login.
 
 I don't want to clobber the list with non-technical trivia, but
 even when you charge money, you can't avoid it. If only there is
 one user that is willing to pay the amount twice, your scheme 
 is broken. As with technical solutions: the higher the amount
 you charge, the lesser the risk of people doing it. But the
 risk remains...

The only nearly reliable way I have found of doing this is to 
impliment a two stage registration process. Normal online 
registration with a face to face sales meeting where the account 
is activated. This however requires significant investment in an 
offline process and backoffice.

On the down side people can always :-
A. Use another legitimate account (Beg, Borrow, Steal)
B. Have another meeting where an actor obtains the new acount details 
(Fraud).

In respect to client side cookies this does not help as I will often in 
the case of system testing use multiple machines (Unix/Windows) with 
multiple browser versions.

Your best be is to use server side token versioning which will prevent 
multiple browsers simultaniously using the same login but does not prevent
different logins being used. 

Hope it helps

Paddy


Re: Summary: identifiying unique users

2003-09-16 Thread Ged Haywood
Hi all,

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Frank Maas wrote:

 | How to avoid multiple logins?
 |
 | The short answer is: you can't.

Sure you can.  Charge $10 per login.

73,
Ged.



Re: Summary: identifiying unique users

2003-09-16 Thread Zack Brown
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:46:28PM +0100, Ged Haywood wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Frank Maas wrote:
 
  | How to avoid multiple logins?
  |
  | The short answer is: you can't.
 
 Sure you can.  Charge $10 per login.

If they can make more than $10 by faking a login, then it's worth it.

 
 73,
 Ged.
 

-- 
Zack Brown