Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
On Wed, 2008-19-03 at 20:36 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: Actually it seems already broken into modules: http://www.shorewall.net/Shorewall-perl.html and it would be more polite to check with the author first. Sure, but don't let unresponsiveness stand in the way. What does the author lose if you wrote some code before they knew about it? Tom Eastep, the author, spent about 10 years supporting shorewall by himself, answering every end-user question he could handle. A couple of years ago, he almost gave up because of the workload -- he works for HP during the day. I don't think you can fairly call him unresponsive. He might like to mentor someone. [btw, i have never corresponded with him but I read the shorewall email list archives extensively as part of my research into which firewall to use -- i was concerned he might discontinue support] simple matter of time and coffee :) Well, such a task maybe isn't really suited for SoC. Refactoring and adding tests is useful, but is a totally different project than creating something new. Life's a bitch. -- --gh
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
# from Guy Hulbert # on Thursday 20 March 2008 04:24: I don't think you can fairly call him unresponsive. I don't think you can fairly say that I did so. I'm just trying to give some general advice WRT summer of code, choosing a project, and getting started. He might like to mentor someone. I would love to hear from him if he does. --Eric -- --- http://scratchcomputing.com ---
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
On Thu, 2008-20-03 at 09:56 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: # from Guy Hulbert # on Thursday 20 March 2008 04:24: I don't think you can fairly call him unresponsive. I don't think you can fairly say that I did so. I'm just trying to give some general advice WRT summer of code, choosing a project, and getting started. Fair enough. And, in the case in question (shorewall) I am pointing out that contacting the author might be a reasonable step. He might like to mentor someone. I would love to hear from him if he does. I doubt he reads this list. --Eric -- Guy Hulbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) work: (416) 391-2051 (no voicemail) cell: (416) 738-6257 (voicemail)
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
# from Guy Hulbert # on Tuesday 18 March 2008 19:21: shorewall-perl might be a place to start; shorewall comes up zero on cpan search, yet is a big perl program; so converting it to an O-O module should be a Actually it seems already broken into modules: http://www.shorewall.net/Shorewall-perl.html and it would be more polite to check with the author first. Sure, but don't let unresponsiveness stand in the way. What does the author lose if you wrote some code before they knew about it? simple matter of time and coffee :) Well, such a task maybe isn't really suited for SoC. Refactoring and adding tests is useful, but is a totally different project than creating something new. Both have merit and both are potentially good SoC projects, but refactoring something which isn't already on CPAN where the author isn't a mentor is probably not going to be very successful (even if it gets done and works great, there's this elephant in the room about what should we call it and how to ship it if the author hasn't been involved.) When I say check for prior art, I mean only that we want to see that the student did some legwork and is aware of potential starting-points (or design flaws in the prior art.) There is certainly no rule against reinventing the wheel if you can point to one or two square or triangular wheels and describe your plan to do it better. And of course, extensions/plugins to an existing codebase are great if that is workable because you start closer to your problem domain and get to spend more time refining your idea instead of debugging your support code. --Eric -- --- http://scratchcomputing.com ---
Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
Hiya. First of all thank you for reading me. Im thinking in a module to manage iptables in an object oriented, and dynamic way. So i would like to meet a mentor or mentors interested in system administration and networking. That way I can explain deeper a mor detailed the idea and see if is interesting enough to make a proposal, and waht the mentor thinks. In the mentors list I saw (Urivan Flores (urivansaaib)) as a possible sysadm project mentor, but I don't know if I have his right mail address. Any way, I'm open to any mentor and to any other ideas. My best regards for all P.S. Sorry if my english isn't very good.
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
# from Juan Luis Belmonte # on Tuesday 18 March 2008 14:19: Im thinking in a module to manage iptables in an object oriented, and dynamic way. Hi Juan, That sounds like an interesting idea. Have you looked on CPAN, sourceforge, etc for prior art? If you find some prior art, propose an improvement or extension to it (or a replacement for it if your idea/goal is sufficiently different.) Definitely describe what is currently available, what you're solving etc. http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc2008_proposal_template If you don't find *some* prior art, look harder (or ask more specific questions. ) It is important to understand what is already out there. Also, feel free to elaborate on your idea before you hear back from someone. Often the writing helps to clarify the goals and makes it easier for others to see what you have in mind. In the mentors list I saw (Urivan Flores (urivansaaib)) as a possible sysadm project mentor, but I don't know if I have his right mail address. The assignment of mentors will happen after applications are selected. It helps if a potential mentor takes an interest in your project beforehand, but you shouldn't feel like you need to wait for an answer to get started. --Eric -- Everything goes wrong all at once. --Quantized Revision of Murphy's Law --- http://scratchcomputing.com ---
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
shorewall-perl might be a place to start; shorewall comes up zero on cpan search, yet is a big perl program; so converting it to an O-O module should be a simple matter of time and coffee :) On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # from Juan Luis Belmonte # on Tuesday 18 March 2008 14:19: Im thinking in a module to manage iptables in an object oriented, and dynamic way. Hi Juan, That sounds like an interesting idea. Have you looked on CPAN, sourceforge, etc for prior art? -- At the bottom of this huge heap of promotional strategies, there's a product trying to chew its way out
Re: Ideas for soc, Looking for mentors
On Tue, 2008-18-03 at 18:28 -0500, David Nicol wrote: shorewall-perl might be a place to start; shorewall comes up zero on cpan search, yet is a big perl program; so converting it to an O-O module should be a Actually it seems already broken into modules: http://www.shorewall.net/Shorewall-perl.html and it would be more polite to check with the author first. simple matter of time and coffee :) On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # from Juan Luis Belmonte # on Tuesday 18 March 2008 14:19: Im thinking in a module to manage iptables in an object oriented, and dynamic way. Hi Juan, That sounds like an interesting idea. Have you looked on CPAN, sourceforge, etc for prior art? -- --gh
