Re: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4

2012-06-03 Thread Owen Jenkins
Erik,
The only real solution to screeching brakes that I have found is deafness. My 
wife tells me the brakes squeal, but I can't hear it, so I figure all is well.

Cheers,
Owen.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Erik Andresen 
  To: mogtalk2 
  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4


  Hi Andy 

  It is my hope that this will solve the problem of screeching brakes. 

  I have new discs, brake pads and repair kit for calipers. 

  And of course a better braking power.



  The MMC servo assist from later cars, is this to a single circuit braking 
system?



  Erik






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Re: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4

2012-06-03 Thread David Ashworth
Hi Erik

I would be very surprised if adding servo system would alleviate screeching 
brakes as a servo just assists by applying additional pressure. Screeching is 
normally associated with uneven wear or contamination (obviously not the case 
with your completely new set). It could be misalignment though - either the 
calliper being offset or the disc not running true. One other thing though - 
are you getting full stopping power?- It's highly unlikely, but if the brakes 
are only being pushed a small distance then the pads would rub the disc and not 
actually grab it. I f this is the case, them the fault could lie with the 
master cylinder. I'm not an expert in car brakes at all - although I have 
stripped and rebuilt my '87 Morgan's and a few others over the years. I do 
strip, bleed, rebuild Mountain Bike hydraulic brakes on a regular basis. I also 
service the cars that my wife's business uses (these use a single circuit, 
single disc and calliper off a moto scooter) and although simpler and smaller 
the principles (and fixes) are the same.


Did the brakes screech before the rebuild? If so when was the last time that 
they didn't screech? Was it prior to the car standing for a long period? Are 
you sure that the cylinders are moving evenly - even after the calliper 
rebuild? Is there any play in the road wheel relative to the calliper?

I really don't think that fitting a servo will solve the problem. Look 
elsewhere for the cause. The servo is there to aid your right leg! (or left one 
if you're driving really fast)!!

Best regards

David

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On 2 Jun 2012, at 18:57, Erik Andresen wrote:

 Hi Andy
 It is my hope that this will solve the problem of screeching brakes.
 I have new discs, brake pads and repair kit for calipers.
 And of course a better braking power.
  
 The MMC servo assist from later cars, is this to a single circuit braking 
 system?
  
 Erik
 
 
  
 On 02/06/2012 07:46 Andy Garlick andy.garl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Erik
 Why do you feel you need a brake servo?
 The light weight of the +4, and its powerful brakes are more than capable of 
 slowing the car down without one. Even the racers do not use servos on +4s , 
 +8s are another matter due to their heavier mass, and faster approach speeds.
 
 The best solution would be to use the MMC servo assist from the later cars ( 
 the master cylinder and servo are all one unit, and the sizing is correct 
 for a Morgan) . Using a separate servo means plumbing it in on the bulkhead .
 
 However I would try a later car with servoed brakes before you embark on the 
 this conversion, I don't think you will get much benefit. If you can 
 generate enough pedal pressure to lock the front brakes , you don't need a 
 servo.
 
 Andy 
 
 From: Erik Andresen mor...@7295.dk
 To: mogtalk2 mogtalk2@listbox.com 
 Sent: Friday, 1 June 2012, 17:13
 Subject: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4
 
 Hi all.
 I have a Morgan +4 with a TR4A engine from 1966. Does anyone have experience 
 with changing the brake system with a brake servo unit.
 Regards Erik
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[mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4

2012-06-01 Thread Erik Andresen

Hi all.
I have a Morgan +4 with a TR4A engine from 1966. Does anyone have
experience with changing the brake system with a brake servo unit.
Regards Erik



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Re: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4

2012-06-01 Thread Andy Garlick
Erik
Why do you feel you need a brake servo?
The light weight of the +4, and its powerful brakes are more than capable of 
slowing the car down without one. Even the racers do not use servos on +4s , 
+8s are another matter due to their heavier mass, and faster approach speeds.

The best solution would be to use the MMC servo assist from the later cars ( 
the master cylinder and servo are all one unit, and the sizing is correct for a 
Morgan) . Using a separate servo means plumbing it in on the bulkhead .

However I would try a later car with servoed brakes before you embark on the 
this conversion, I don't think you will get much benefit. If you can generate 
enough pedal pressure to lock the front brakes , you don't need a servo.

Andy 




 From: Erik Andresen mor...@7295.dk
To: mogtalk2 mogtalk2@listbox.com 
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2012, 17:13
Subject: [mogtalk2] Brake servo unit on a +4
 

 
Hi all. 
I have a Morgan +4 with a TR4A engine from 1966. Does anyone have experience 
with changing the brake system with a brake servo unit. 
Regards Erik
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