[Mpls] Press Release - 3rd Ward City Council candidate Brother ShanePrice to hold press conference on 12/26
December 25, 2002 HOPE AND CHANGE COALITION, SHANE PRICE TO HOLD PRESS CONFERENCE DECEMBER 26, FIRST DAY OF KWANZAA, AT MINNEAPOLIS CITY HALL For immediate release. For further information contact Angela Dawson (612) 522-6333, Nick Raleigh (651) 291-2806, or Florianne Wild (612) 251-3652 Shane Price and members of the Hope and Change Coalition will hold a press conference on the second floor of the Minneapolis City Hall on Thursday, December 26th at 11:00 a.m. to rally support for Mr. Price's campaign for the 3rd Ward City Council seat. December 26, or Umoja, the day of Unity, marks the beginning of the week-long African-American celebration of Kwanzaa. Seeking to usher in a new year of unity and peace, co-chairs of the Hope and Change Coalition Dean Zimmerman and Natalie Johnson Lee are calling on residents of the 3rd ward of Minneapolis to get out the vote for Brother Shane in the primary on December 30th. A special election to fill the vacant 3rd Ward council seat will follow on February 3rd, 2003. Brother Shane Price and the Coalition have come together on the immediate needs of Minneapolis¹ 3rd Ward. Price's platform supports only urban development that comes with a plan to employ local people with sustainable, living wage jobs. Neighborhood-driven development will be a priority. In order for the ward and the city to progress, he states, everyone must progress. The peacemaking initiative developed by Price as an employee of Hennepin County, which addresses child abuse and neglect issues, is the first of its kind in the nation. Price, who is endorsed by ACORN, recognizes the need to tackle the problem of predatory lending, which is at its worst in the Jordan and Hawthorne neighborhoods. In response to neighborhood polluters such as the coal-burning plant on Marshall Avenue, Price will work with activists and experts to implement clean, renewable energy solutions that will not violate our responsibility to future generations. With respect to health and education, Price has developed a model engaging community partners with school administrators to invest their personal efforts in the education of students in the poorest neighborhoods. This model assigns a responsible adult to a school and matches the adult mentor with children. The Hope and Change Coalition, in formation since 2001, seeks to unite small businesses, non-profit agencies and social and environmental action groups working in the 3rd Ward. Members include the Minneapolis 5th District Green Party; ACORN; James Everett, owner of Sub-Zero, Tom Taylor, Mark Snyder, B.J. Smith of Mad Dads, David Zander of the Minnesota and Southeast Asia Project and city council representatives Natalie Johnson Lee and Dean Zimmermann. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Something for The Mpls City Council
Hello Minneapolis Folks: I support such a resolution. Many Americans are being treated no different than Japanese Americans during World War II, presumed guilty before any real evidence has been established of a crime being committed. Politicians can decide to take the "safe" political position of staying silent, many did in America during WWII, and many did in Nazi Germany. We should have learned lessons from our previous mistake and speak out as individuals, through government resolutions, and assembled together in mass support of liberty, justice, and human rights. I for one support such a resolution and will support my elected officials that have the strength to not be silent. Ken Bradley Corcoran Nieghborhood 612-728-8962 nNeighborhoodmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thanks to Mark Snyder and Phyllis Kahn for urging the City of Minneapolisto pass a resolution urging federal authorities to respect the rights oflocal citizens. Personally, I think it is a great idea and if someone wouldlike to forward to me two or three sample resolutions from other cities, Iwould be more than happy to put something forward to the Council.I must say, however, that I am not very hopeful that there is much chance ofsuch a resolution passing. The Minneapolis City Council President has ruledthat the war in Iraq is not a local issue and only 5 council members(Lilligren, Johnson-Lee, Zerby, Niziolek and Zimmermann) voted to overturnhis ruling. So much for "Thinking Globally-Acting Locally."Consider this: The US government is spending billions and billions ofdollars of public money to destroy the infrastructure of Iraq in its attemptto keep the petroleum profits flowing into the pockets of Bush and Cheney'scronies. At the same time, Minneapolis has 6,000 units of public housing and12,000 people on the waiting list but the US government has no money tobuild public housing.According to a recent study by the Minneapolis Health Dept. there are$57,400,000 in hidden health costs associated with the Xcel coal-burningelectricity plant in northeast Minneapolis. At the same time, there is noFederal money available to build a wind and photo-voltaic electricgenerating system for Minnesota that could produce clean power free fromdependence on foreign oil. A side benefit (besides creating new livable wagejobs) is that such an electrical infrastructure would be much moredecentralized and less vulnerable to terrorist attacks. All of the money, ofcourse, is being used to destroy the electrical infrastructure of Iraq.How can we expect a city council that can not make a connection betweenwasting money on war and not having any money to spend on local needs, to beable to see how such a simple thing, as the erosion of civil liberties,might have anything to do with the lives of the people of Minneapolis?Dean ZimmermannMpls City Council Member - Ward 6612-673-2206___Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-DemocracyPost messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mplsDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[Mpls] Something else...more drastic.
That roads are the railways of runaway capitalism may be obvious to some. But what is less appreciated is that they, like other features of our environment, including lousy public libraries, parks, and housing, are part of the core infrastructure that drive our consumer culture, from fast food and hollywood films to shopping malls and professional sports. Conspicuous consumption is both symptom and cause, which is why I suspect it ain't going away. I clipped this from the latest http://www.adbusters.org/ it illustrates that cm resolutions are a way for us to think and feel as though we've done something. Though in reality, all of 'Minneapolis walking to work', just one day next year would send the loudest message this country has never wanted to hear. Pass that resolution. Imagine, a critical mass of commuters. The Mrs. and I went to the Two Towers last night. This film says so much about the world and the time that we live in. What I realized very quickly was that the story could not have been told quite as well with out the aid of computer. So while I realize the importance of the message, I still think that until we understand the messagers' agenda we're in trouble. Apparently, during this country's first war for freedom, only twenty five percent of the population was for it. Twenty five percent was against it and the other fifty didn't care one way or the other. Where are we in our real cause for freedom? This by no means is idealistic, and had better not be. As Sam Wise said, There is always hope. This darkness must pass. The real solutions to the real problems on the macro and the micro level will come from individuals having a greater understanding of events than the leaders. They can do little for us now. When we are the problem, only we can be the solution. This is not a call to throw away technology, that is not likely, about as likely as R.T. signing a resolution to stop the war. I do not know what the solution is, but I know what the solution is not. Save your band aids for a small cut. The world is hemorrhaging, even the smallest of hobbits can change the course of history, what can we do. Robert Iuegha (in the old country, my real name) Milky Way e-mail your solution, my ears are wide open. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Matt Thoren
Shawne: I'd really like to understand the motivation for your inquiry. If I'm to understand you correctly, the question you'd like answered by Anne McCandless is whether or not Don Samuels is a person of substance, or a media hype? I am somewhat dismayed by the fact that you would ask for a third person opinion (and I'm assuming here) from someone that you really don't know, to help you come to such a serious conclusion. The future leadership of the 3rd ward hangs in the balance of this election. If you have reservations, or concerns regarding Don Samuels' substance, I suggest you p/u the phone and talk to Don, as this would allowyou to form youropinion on this issue from good information - first-hand... For what it is worth, Anne is dead-on target in her explanation. Don, along w/ several other board members, stopped participating in JACC because of their belief that JACC was too focused on housing related issues (check the expenditures for like neighborhoods for NRP phase I) and not adressing some significant and serious issues within our community. To his credit, Don along with numerous other residents played an integral part in recently seating several board members (on JACC) that DO realize that there is much more work to be done (in our community) than just rehab houses. Further, Don, again along with many others from within our community has put forth a tremendous amount of VOLUNTEER time over the last year in an effort to bring a highly fractionalized neighborhood together. We are currently on the verge of being able to FINALLY unite JACC, JLF and theJordan Jam into a single (much more powerful) focused entity, serving a much wider range of issues than any of them did in the past, separately. If your yardstick for measuring a candidates worthiness (for city council office) is measured by the sheer number of volunteer hours that they have dedicated to their community in recent history, Don would win the election in a landslide. In fact, if the truth were known, I would hazard the guess that in terms of "true" volunteer contributions to a community,the other candidates would probably rather not have to measure themselves against Don. Dennis Plante Jordan Community From: "Anne McCandless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Shawne FitzGerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Matt Thoren Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:52:05 -0600 Mr. Fitzgerald, I am sorry I did not reply to you sooner, but some of us have other things going on today. To say the least, Don Samuels has been an asset to this community. Furthermore, I know that his commitment started long before this campaign was even thought of and will continue whether he wins or loses this election. Like many people, myself included, Don got frustrated with JACC as it was in recent years. It had become wrapped up in NRP and real estate matters and seemed to many of us, to not respond to the needs of the community. Through the work of many people, Don being one of the most active, we picketed against the drug dealers, started a community garden and formed our own neighborhood organization, the Jordan Livability Committee. When the riot occurred, Don had the guts to stand up to outsiders and questions their claims to represent Jordan since they didn't even live here or belong to any neighborhood organizations. For those of you who are not familiar with the dynamics of the African American community, this may seem like a small thing to do. In fact, it was not. It took allot of guts and the risk of being ostracized by the community. It also gave others in the community the courage to stand up and speak out. While we could not stop the county from paying $250 per bag to City, Inc to pick up trash along 26th Ave, I bet they will think twice before doing something like that again without talking to the community first. We have now joined the Livability Forum, JACC and the Jordan Jam into what we hope, will be one more inclusive organization which will speak with an even louder voice. Unlike many who gave up on JACC and organizations like it, Don looked for ways to improve and change. He is also willing to keep trying, and is currently back on the JACC board. Unlike some who use the excuse that they tried once and it didn't work, so the heck with it, Don doesn't give up. Finally, if Don Samuels wins this election it won't be because of mud slinging and half truths. I questioned Toren's use of JACC connections after checking with the staff at JACC who have worked there for at least five years. He has apparently made the claim and it cannot be substantiated. Anne McCandless Jordan - Original Message - From: Shawne FitzGerald To: Anne McCandless Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Matt Thoren Ms. McCandless, I'm an old friend of Margo Ashmore's from college days working on her campaign - most recently affixing labels for
[Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
I was wondering if any of the myriad South Minneapolis folks who are part of the Samuels campaign (or other non-Third Ward residents, like Jonathan) could answer a hypothetical question for me? If Don Samuels were to be elected the Third Ward Council Member, do you know if in 2005 he would be a) moving into the new boundaries of the Third Ward, b) running for re-election in the Fifth Ward against Natalie Johnson Lee, or c) stepping down from the City Council. Since the Jordan neighborhood will no longer be a part of the Third Ward as of 2005, I was thinking this information could be of interest to those persons about to vote next week. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Let's drink to the hard working people Let's think of the lowly of birth Spare a thought for the rag taggy people Let's drink to the salt of the earth. - the Rolling Stones __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Fwd: RE: Don Samuels
To get this to the whole list (not just the list manager) please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, please sign your neighborhood, as well as name. Thank you, David Brauer List manager -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of greta johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Don Samuels To All. It would best serve people who think it productive/condusive for making an accurate determination of a person's character to work to find out the answer by getting to know that person rather than add to the misconceptions that fly around these forums. I have known Don post JACC and current JACC. He has always been there and fought on the behalf of the community. I admire a person who gets out of a bad situation (the old JACC) when they can not affect change against insurmountable odds. (the wasteful old JACC) Don put his efforts in positive change where goals he set for himself were met without having to get lost in the BS of ineffective JACC committees. He has effected positive change in the community by working with like-minded people and formed the Jordan Livibilty Forum. It would do the rumor-mongers good to step away from the digital forum and see for themselves what Don has done in a true community forum. Don is what the city council and the community needs. He concern is giving communities an authentic community voice. He speaks for the many not the few. Not only is he not a 'flash in the pan' he is a new type of leader. He is not in this for the personal finanical advancement that many are seeking. He truly believes in the community and its ability to help itself with unselfish leadership. Please think about the things you say before you try to pass them off as truth and 'damage' another person image, or was that your intention? Greta Johnson- close personal friend and campaign worker. Jordan neighborhood From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shawne FitzGerald Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:57 AM To: Anne McCandless Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Matt Thoren Ms. McCandless, I'm an old friend of Margo Ashmore's from college days working on her campaign - most recently affixing labels for a mailing. So all on this list knows my bias. The rumor mill has it that during the year Don Samuels served on the JACC board, he attended only four meetings. Do you know the truth of this? And also, what did JACC accomplish that year? Whaat role did Mr. Samuels play in those accomplishments? Actually, I like Mr. Samuels - he and Margo are very close on the issues. I guess the question is, is Mr. Samuels a flash in the pan, a caring man who has enjoyed some good media exposure this past year - or is he more than that, a neighbor and possibly a leader, who has done more than to be interviewed by the media. Shawne FitzGerald Powderhorn _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=747 4 SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi- bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
Loki: I actually live in the 3rd ward, so I'm not sure (by your post), if I'm qualified to answer your hypothetical question. I'll take a stab at it anyway. Knowing Don the way I do, I can tell you that he isn't looking ahead to 2005.Becoming the 3rd ward council member in 2003 and doing the very best job he can for the 3rd ward is his single objective at this time. He is not entering the race as a long-term political move.If Don runs for re-election in 2005, he would only do so AFTER listening to constituents.They are theones that will (and should) make the decision about when and where a person runs, not the person. Don's understanding of this is one of the reasons that you're seeing such a groundswell of support for him. He's truly an authentic community voice. Dennis Plante Jordan From: loki anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mpls Issues List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:31:25 -0800 (PST) I was wondering if any of the myriad South Minneapolis folks who are part of the Samuels campaign (or other non-Third Ward residents, like Jonathan) could answer a hypothetical question for me? If Don Samuels were to be elected the Third Ward Council Member, do you know if in 2005 he would be a) moving into the new boundaries of the Third Ward, b) running for re-election in the Fifth Ward against Natalie Johnson Lee, or c) stepping down from the City Council. Since the Jordan neighborhood will no longer be a part of the Third Ward as of 2005, I was thinking this information could be of interest to those persons about to vote next week. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Let's drink to the hard working people Let's think of the lowly of birth Spare a thought for the rag taggy people Let's drink to the salt of the earth. - the Rolling Stones __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
--- Dennis Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is not entering the race as a long-term political move.If Don runs for re-election in 2005, he would only do so AFTER listening to constituents.They are the ones that will (and should) make the decision about when and where a person runs, not the person. Don's understanding of this is one of the reasons that you're seeing such a groundswell of support for him. He's truly an authentic community voice. Dennis Plante Jordan My question would be Which constituents would he be listening to? The residents of Jordan, who would be redistricted with him, or the residents of Hawthorne, McKinley, Bottineau, Sheridan, and St Anthony West who will be without an incumbent yet again if he decides to stay with y'all in Jordan? I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Let's drink to the hard working people Let's think of the lowly of birth Spare a thought for the rag taggy people Let's drink to the salt of the earth. - the Rolling Stones __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Airport or NW Policy
This is an at large question to the group: My 12 year old grand nephew flew down to New Orleans to spend Christmas with his uncles. It was a Northwest fight, no-stop. His mother, my niece, had to get there 2 1/2 hours ahead of time and stay with him not just until they boarded, but until the plane actually was in the air. No NW employees had to do anything for him that they didn't do for every other passenger waiting for thisflight. For this, my niece had to pay $40 to NW. This was not part of his ticket fare, this was in addition to it. At the other end,his unclespaid nothing but did have to show valid ID, which Iwas glad to hear. They were able to walk to the end of the concourse and meet him. My question is,does anyone know whatthe $40 was for? Is this a NW fee or an MSP airport fee? What services did this pay for? Again, when she askedshe was told this was not part of the ticket fare so it wasn't for any extra attention on board the plane. This was, as far as we could figure out, for the privilege to walk to gate and wait for the planeto take off, which was required by NW so it wasn't really a privilege.If anyone knows the reasoning, please let me know. Right now, we just figure it's one of those fees they get charged just because they can. She's a single mother of two children and $40 is alot of money. In case anyone wonders how she could afford the trip, his uncles paid for the ticket. Anne McCandless Jordan
RE: [Mpls] Airport or NW Policy
Anne and list: this isnt a Minneapolis-specific issue (this facet of the airport affects the entire region and has nothing particular to do with the city of Minneapolis). Its important that we keep the lists focus: issues that are unique to, or have disproportionate effects on, the city of Minneapolis. An innocent, well-intentioned error, Im sure if anyone knows the answer to Annes query, please let her know off-list. David Brauer List manager -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anne McCandless Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 7:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Airport or NW Policy This is an at large question to the group: My 12 year old grand nephew flew down to New Orleans to spend Christmas with his uncles. It was a Northwest fight, no-stop. His mother, my niece, had to get there 2 1/2 hours ahead of time and stay with him not just until they boarded, but until the plane actually was in the air. No NW employees had to do anything for him that they didn't do for every other passenger waiting for this flight. For this, my niece had to pay $40 to NW. This was not part of his ticket fare, this was in addition to it. At the other end, his uncles paid nothing but did have to show valid ID, which I was glad to hear. They were able to walk to the end of the concourse and meet him. My question is, does anyone know what the $40 was for? Is this a NW fee or an MSP airport fee? What services did this pay for? Again, when she asked she was told this was not part of the ticket fare so it wasn't for any extra attention on board the plane. This was, as far as we could figure out, for the privilege to walk to gate and wait for the plane to take off, which was required by NW so it wasn't really a privilege. If anyone knows the reasoning, please let me know. Right now, we just figure it's one of those fees they get charged just because they can. She's a single mother of two children and $40 is alot of money. In case anyone wonders how she could afford the trip, his uncles paid for the ticket. Anne McCandless Jordan ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] third ward
I will be voting for Hope and Change next Monday. I will be voting for Shane Price. Why? Because he's qualified and humble. Because he has never to my knowledge needed to say that he was or is the 'authentic community voice'. It seems to me if you have to say something like 'authentic community voice'...your insecure about your authenticity. Shane and Valdis were the only ones willing to run a serious campaign against a popular incumbent. Where was our authentic community voice last year. I only sling this because, people door knocking for Don have been in a veiled way knocking Shane unfairly. Oh Shane's a good guy this, Shane's a good guy that, but Knock it off. Can we please say why our candidate is worthy of a vote and leave it at that. Let the best person win. I swear if I hear that again I'm going to puke!! Robert Yorga St. Anthony West Vision with out action is a daydream, action with out vision is a nightmare. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I fail to see how a campaign/candidate running for a primary election for city council seat in 2003 that does not have a strategic plan in place for the 2005 election, can be viewed as short-sighted. To the contrary, I personally would be highly suspicious of an indivdual (running in the primary) that offered a "plan" as far-reaching as what you're suggesting. Or, maybe a more tactful approach might be to suggest that of the 20 individuals running in the primary, how many of them do you think were in a position to announce their candidacy THREE years ago? Things change. Don is a man of integrity, and he's not given to making loose promises he can't live up to. In the interest of fairness, have you polled the other 19 candidates and received their views on the "hypothetical" question you've presented. Also, I am curious, why the fixation with regards to one specific issue? Dennis Plante Jordan From: loki anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mpls Issues List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:36:13 -0800 (PST) --- Dennis Plante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: He is not entering the race as a long-term political move.If Don runs for re-election in 2005, he would only do so AFTER listening to constituents.They are the ones that will (and should) make the decision about when and where a person runs, not the person. Don's understanding of this is one of the reasons that you're seeing such a groundswell of support for him. He's truly an authentic community voice. Dennis Plante Jordan My question would be "Which constituents would he be listening to? The residents of Jordan, who would be redistricted with him, or the residents of Hawthorne, McKinley, Bottineau, Sheridan, and St Anthony West who will be without an incumbent yet again if he decides to stay with y'all in Jordan?" I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Let's drink to the hard working people Let's think of the lowly of birth Spare a thought for the rag taggy people Let's drink to the salt of the earth. - the Rolling Stones __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls 3 months FREE*. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Something for The Mpls City Council
Clarification of my earlier post: I wanted to make a clarfication to the post I made yesterday (included below). In the original post with this subject heading, Phyllis Kahn stated, Here is a story from the NYTimes today about the actions of many cities to protect their citizens from the excesses of the patriot act. Shouldn't we be doing this? Later, CM Dean Zimmerman responded to her post and stated, I must say, however, that I am not very hopeful that there is much chance of such a resolution passing. The Minneapolis City Council President has ruled that the war in Iraq is not a local issue and only 5 council members (Lilligren, Johnson-Lee, Zerby, Niziolek and Zimmermann) voted to overturn his ruling. So much for Thinking Globally-Acting Locally. My post was directly in response to CM Zimmerman's implied criticism of the majority on the Council who would not vote to overturn the Council President's ruling. By the time I made my post, many hours and issues in my day later, I was no longer thinking about Phyllis Kahn's original subject. I wanted to clarify that my statements were not directed at the suggestion that a city would pass a resolution about the excesses of the Patriot Act, but at the issue of our Council taking up a resolution about action in Iraq. I see the issue of the Patriot Act as being very different in nature and I don't know enough about it to make a statement on whether the city should take any action on it. Michelle Mensing Armatage My post: I have posted to the list before against the concept of the City Council passing a resolution opposing a war on Iraq, despite being personally against the possibility of a war. As the topic emerges on the list again, a series of questions have arose in my mind as I tried to picture the potential action the Council might take: Are City Council Members as elected officials truly qualified to make a fully informed public policy statement about action in Iraq? And under what circumstances would the resolution apply? What if the UN backed a war or the weapons inspectors found arms in Iraq - would the Council then need to reconvene to act to rescind the resolution? And on what basis would they be making their informed decision - I would imagine they wouldn't have access to the information the White House and Congress would have. If they make a statement, would it be that as a City Council, they don't ever want our country to go to war, or that we don't want our country to go to war now and under these circumstances? It seems to me that if the Council were to make a statement that at this time they want to protect local citizens and resources and therefore are against the potential war, they would inevitably have to make a series of foreign policy decisions about whether to rescind the resolution against the war as circumstances change. So would the Council need to deal with motions to rescind every time something new arose in our foreign relations with Iraq? And what about the War on Terror or the tension with North Korea? As much as I trust and admire my local elected officials, I did not vote for them to evaluate foreign policy. Michelle Mensing Armatage ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
Loki Anderson stated in the full message below: I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. (MM) I have been following the 3rd Ward race from a distance (the 13th Ward, to be specific). Of all the many posts on this subject in the last few weeks, I feel the need to speak up on this exchange, because this statement from Loki Anderson seems extremely unfair to me. Even in a normal race, I wouldn't expect a candidate to lay out their strategic plan for future elections. But in these circumstances, I think it is completely unrealistic. Don Samuels has been running in this election for about one month and due to the nature of the seat opening, jumped in with all the other candidates at a moment's notice. He happens to live in a part of the ward that will be jettisoned by the 2005 election and, if elected now, wouldn't have the luxury in the future of being the incumbent where he currently resides. It certainly seems reasonable to me that a candidate in this situation could wait until the next election cycle to decide how to handle it. Michelle Mensing Armatage - Original Message - From: Dennis Plante To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005 You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I fail to see how a campaign/candidate running for a primary election for city council seat in 2003 that does not have a strategic plan in place for the 2005 election, can be viewed as short-sighted. To the contrary, I personally would be highly suspicious of an indivdual (running in the primary) that offered a plan as far-reaching as what you're suggesting. Or, maybe a more tactful approach might be to suggest that of the 20 individuals running in the primary, how many of them do you think were in a position to announce their candidacy THREE years ago? Things change. Don is a man of integrity, and he's not given to making loose promises he can't live up to. In the interest of fairness, have you polled the other 19 candidates and received their views on the hypothetical question you've presented. Also, I am curious, why the fixation with regards to one specific issue? Dennis Plante Jordan From: loki anderson To: Mpls Issues List Subject: Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:36:13 -0800 (PST) --- Dennis Plante wrote: He is not entering the race as a long-term political move.If Don runs for re-election in 2005, he would only do so AFTER listening to constituents.They are the ones that will (and should) make the decision about when and where a person runs, not the person. Don's understanding of this is one of the reasons that you're seeing such a groundswell of support for him. He's truly an authentic community voice. Dennis Plante Jordan My question would be Which constituents would he be listening to? The residents of Jordan, who would be redistricted with him, or the residents of Hawthorne, McKinley, Bottineau, Sheridan, and St Anthony West who will be without an incumbent yet again if he decides to stay with y'all in Jordan? I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Let's drink to the hard working people Let's think of the lowly of birth Spare a thought for the rag taggy people Let's drink to the salt of the earth. - the Rolling Stones __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls -- 3 months FREE*. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
I think people may be missing Loki's point. My read of Loki's post is not that focusing on 2003 is short-sighted. Instead I think what Loki is concerned about is that with Don Samuel's campaign, all the discussion appears to be about Jordan neighborhood and not the entire 3rd Ward. Since Jordan is currently scheduled to be redistricted out of 3rd Ward unless a lawsuit prevails, I think Loki is concerned about Don's willingness and ability to represent a 3rd Ward that does not include Jordan and that for Don's campaign, it would be shortsighted not to be thinking about that. I don't know enough about Don's campaign to say whether this is an accurate portrayal. I just wanted to point out that people may not actually be responding to the concern Loki intended to raise. Mark Snyder Windom Park On 12/25/02 11:13 PM, Michelle Mensing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loki Anderson stated in the full message below: I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. (MM) I have been following the 3rd Ward race from a distance (the 13th Ward, to be specific). Of all the many posts on this subject in the last few weeks, I feel the need to speak up on this exchange, because this statement from Loki Anderson seems extremely unfair to me. Even in a normal race, I wouldn't expect a candidate to lay out their strategic plan for future elections. But in these circumstances, I think it is completely unrealistic. Don Samuels has been running in this election for about one month and due to the nature of the seat opening, jumped in with all the other candidates at a moment's notice. He happens to live in a part of the ward that will be jettisoned by the 2005 election and, if elected now, wouldn't have the luxury in the future of being the incumbent where he currently resides. It certainly seems reasonable to me that a candidate in this situation could wait until the next election cycle to decide how to handle it. Michelle Mensing Armatage - Original Message - From: Dennis Plante You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I fail to see how a campaign/candidate running for a primary election for city council seat in 2003 that does not have a strategic plan in place for the 2005 election, can be viewed as short-sighted. To the contrary, I personally would be highly suspicious of an indivdual (running in the primary) that offered a plan as far-reaching as what you're suggesting. Or, maybe a more tactful approach might be to suggest that of the 20 individuals running in the primary, how many of them do you think were in a position to announce their candidacy THREE years ago? Things change. Don is a man of integrity, and he's not given to making loose promises he can't live up to. In the interest of fairness, have you polled the other 19 candidates and received their views on the hypothetical question you've presented. Also, I am curious, why the fixation with regards to one specific issue? Dennis Plante Jordan My question would be Which constituents would he be listening to? The residents of Jordan, who would be redistricted with him, or the residents of Hawthorne, McKinley, Bottineau, Sheridan, and St Anthony West who will be without an incumbent yet again if he decides to stay with y'all in Jordan? I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice. Loki Anderson Marshall Terrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] third ward
Robert,
You raise a good point, one that I've made a number of times on this list, and I
kindly suggest that you ask Brother Shane's people to do the same thing. I have a
number of close friends in the 3rd ward (one of which even grew up with Shane) who
have told me the same thing that (I have also heard first hand from supporters),
you're saying has been coming from Shane's campaign, saying that he and Valdis are the
only leading candidates, that Don's a nice guy this, etc. If you want to things to be
fair and clean, I think you have to also exemplify it as well.
More to the point, I think there's a big difference between what you're saying and
some of the outright slander that Don's campaign has been subjected to. Anytime you
have an election, people ask the questions of What about your competitor_?
or why are you better than _. I think it's a lot friendlier if people
are actually acknowledging their competitors like your posts mentions, instead of out
an out attacking. This should be kept friendly, but then that means that everyone has
to be consistent with this ethic. More to the point, I really don't think that two
good candidates like Shane and Don or their campaigns should be at odds. They and
their supporters should be working together and sticking up for the same principles
all the way around. When they unscrupulous question about legal trouble was posed at
the first candidate forum, not only did I make an issue about how bad it was, but more
importantly, many of the candidates such as Valdis stood up and voice their object
right at the forum.
That's the kind of campaiging that we need. People voicing their differences, but
also standing up to call question to unethical practices such as that. Let's keep
focussed on the goal..the betterment of the 3rd Ward.
Jonathan Palmer
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Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
If I may quote Hoosiers, Gene Hackman's character said, there's a tradition in tournement play not to climb the step ahead before you climb the one you're on. I think it is not only not shortsighted to have not thought about 2005, but irresponsible to do so. I can't speak for anyone else that you were addressing, but for me, when I looked at the candidates, Don was one that I thought most fit the bill for the needs of the 3rd Ward as well as those of the council. As someone from a neighboring ward (4th) and who cares about the city, I see it as my responsibility to be aware and voice my support where necessary. I think to ask this question runs the risk of trying to pit community leaders against each other. I can't see any reason why this would influence a vote in any positive manner. It's more important to focus on the election next week, rather than 2 years down the line in my opinion. Jonathan Palmer Victory ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005/Redistricting stance of candidates???
In a message dated 12/25/02 9:12:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don Samuels has been running in this election for about one month and due to the nature of the seat opening, jumped in with all the other candidates at a moment's notice. He happens to live in a part of the ward that will be jettisoned by the 2005 election and, if elected now, wouldn't have the luxury in the future of being the incumbent where he currently resides. It certainly seems reasonable to me that a candidate in this situation could wait until the next election cycle to decide how to handle it. Keith says; I support Shane Price; I also support all individuals running outside of the DFL Machine. The more outside; the more I like 'um. That said, I have my own modest question for aspirants to the 3rd Ward seat, and I think it is reasonable. First some background. There is a lawsuit pending regarding the alleged gerrymandering of the 3rd and 5th Wards of the City. As most know, Jordan is to be broken off the 3rd Ward and added to the 5th; no bonanza here. DT is to be broken off the 5th Ward and given away to Kenwood, et. al.; there goes the goldmine. This matter may come to trial by 2004. I did my small part to support this lawsuit, the outcome of which is so important to the Northside, and to whoever is the victor in this upcoming contest. My question: What are the candidates views on this redistricting issue? What have the candidates who oppose this redistricting outcome done, or said, in this matter? Keith Reitman NearNorth ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005
It's quite possible that the perception exists that Don's campaign focuses on Jordan because he currently resides in Jordan. However, upon closer inspection you'll find that his Campaign Co-Chair is Jennifer Young, a highly respected businesswoman from NE. We held an christmas party at the California Building last Saturday as a matter of fact. There were many well-respected people from NE in attendance. All one has to do is drive across the bridge between north and northeast to realize how different the quality of life on the two sides of the ward is. Loki's fears are no different than the fears of the residents on this side. How can one person adequately represent such a diverse ward? I applaud all the residents that have seen fit to take the time to become informed about the upcoming election. As one would suspect, everyone seems to have a "hot button". My personal hot button is that I want very much to elect a person that has lived both types of lifestyles. Not just resided in both environments mind you, but truly "lived" in both. Reasonably, do you think it was possible for Don to immigrate from Jamaica, get an education (masters), become a senior VP of a Fortune 500 company, and make theCHOICE to move back into one of the most poverty-stricken areas of our city, without havingdeveloped a sense of fairness and commitement to what he does? Dennis Plante Jordan From: Mark Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Minneapolis Issues Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Don Samuels and 2005 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:27:12 -0600 I think people may be missing Loki's point. My read of Loki's post is not that focusing on 2003 is short-sighted. Instead I think what Loki is concerned about is that with Don Samuel's campaign, all the discussion appears to be about Jordan neighborhood and not the entire 3rd Ward. Since Jordan is currently scheduled to be redistricted out of 3rd Ward unless a lawsuit prevails, I think Loki is concerned about Don's willingness and ability to represent a 3rd Ward that does not include Jordan and that for Don's campaign, it would be shortsighted not to be thinking about that. I don't know enough about Don's campaign to say whether this is an accurate portrayal. I just wanted to point out that people may not actually be responding to the concern Loki intended to raise. Mark Snyder Windom Park On 12/25/02 11:13 PM, "Michelle Mensing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Loki Anderson stated in the full message below: "I'm assuming that you are not speaking for his campaign, but if you are it sounds like his is a truly shortsighted community voice." (MM) I have been following the 3rd Ward race from a distance (the 13th Ward, to be specific). Of all the many posts on this subject in the last few weeks, I feel the need to speak up on this exchange, because this statement from Loki Anderson seems extremely unfair to me. Even in a normal race, I wouldn't expect a candidate to lay out their strategic plan for future elections. But in these circumstances, I think it is completely unrealistic. Don Samuels has been running in this election for about one month and due to the nature of the seat opening, jumped in with all the other candidates at a moment's notice. He happens to live in a part of the ward that will be jettisoned by the 2005 election and, if elected now, wouldn't have the luxury in the future of being the incumbent where he currently resides. It certainly seems reasonable to me that a candidate in this situation could wait until the next election cycle to decide how to handle it. Michelle Mensing Armatage - Original Message - From: Dennis Plante You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I fail to see how a campaign/candidate running for a primary election for city council seat in 2003 that does not have a strategic plan in place for the 2005 election, can be viewed as short-sighted. To the contrary, I personally would be highly suspicious of an indivdual (running in the primary) that offered a "plan" as far-reaching as what you're suggesting. Or, maybe a more tactful approach might be to suggest that of the 20 individuals running in the primary, how many of them do you think were in a position to announce their candidacy THREE years ago? Things change. Don is a man of integrity, and he's not given to making loose promises he can't live up to. In the interest of fairness, have you polled the other 19 candidates and received their views on the "hypothetical" question you've presented. Also, I am curious, why the fixation with regards to one specific issue? Dennis Plante Jordan My question would be "Which constituents would he be listening to? The residents of Jordan, who would be redistricted with him, or the residents of Hawthorne, McKinley, Bottineau, Sheridan, and St Anthony West
