RE: [Mpls] Early-morning noise
First, let me say that I have voted against the photo-cop every time it comes my way. My guess as to why they did the work on Sunday? Because the two streets, 28th and Portland, carry huge volumes of traffic on weekdays, it would be much less disruptive to do the work on a Sunday. The lighter traffic on Sunday could be more easily detoured with less disruption to the neighborhood. But, it seems to me that the work could have started just a little later in the morning. Peace, Dean Zimmermann Mpls City Council - Ward 6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] C: 612-388-1311 W: 612-673-2206 H: 612-724-3888 2200 Clinton Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55404 Surely the most important task for all of us is to leave behind a planet that is fit for our great grandchildren to live on. So all of our personal actions, as well as our political policies, must be tempered with an eye to long term sustainability, not short term profit or expediency. As we struggle to solve the day to day problems -- crime, jobs, budget shortfalls, homelessness, traffic congestion, and air quality, we will look to solutions that serve both our immediate needs and lay the foundation for the post-petroleum economy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrell Brown Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:21 PM To: mpls@mnforum.org Subject: Re: [Mpls] Early-morning noise - Original Message - From: David Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I'm looking forward to the red-light cams (though I think the 30-day warning period before tickets are issued is an invitation to hot rodders to watch themselves speed on the web). That said ... construction on a SUNDAY? Why did crews have to pound pavement on a Sunday morning? [TB] The city is running short on cash and Mayor Rybak wants to get the project done so that Big Brother will start bringing in the cash a couple of days sooner? Terrell Brown Loring Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Solidarity
On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Dyna wrote: Saturday morning at the parade lineup I found R.T.'s contingent out of signs, T-shirts, and just about everything else needed for a campaign. Whoever was sort of in charge wasn't even sure if they could use the sidecar in the parade. Sensing an opening I wandered over to the McLaughlin contingent and said hello. I was promptly welcomed aboard and my sidecar headed up the big McLaughlin contingent. standing up for my union family and Peter McLaughlin in Hawthorne, Whoa, whoa, whoa. My husband and I walked with the mayor in the Junteenth parade. We got there at about 9:30 a.m., got our signs and stickers and waited for the parade to start. We walked the entire route with the spirited group and the mayor shook hands while criss-crossing the street continuously. Our group felt very positive about the reception the mayor got along the route. My husband passed out stickers to enthusiastic takers and I waved and called out good morning to parade watchers on that glorious sunny day. Thanks, Laura Laura Waterman Wittstock Candidate for Minneapolis Library Board of Trustees DFL and Labor endorsed Minneapolis, MN 612-387-4915 www.laurawatermanwittstock.com http://laurawatermanwittstock.blogspot.com/ Wittstock for Library Committee 913 19th Avenue SE, Mpls, 55414 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Early-morning noise
Dean said: First, let me say that I have voted against the photo-cop every time it comes my way. My guess as to why they did the work on Sunday? Because the two streets, 28th and Portland, carry huge volumes of traffic on weekdays, it would be much less disruptive to do the work on a Sunday. The lighter traffic on Sunday could be more easily detoured with less disruption to the neighborhood. But, it seems to me that the work could have started just a little later in the morning. Me: I am really glad they put photo-cop on the the corner of 28th and Portland. Sometime back the city installed a no turn on red at that corner at the request of the many senior and physically challenged residents who live at Ebenezer and other large apartment buildings close by. They had a very difficult time crossing the street at 27th and Park. Adding the no turn on red at 28th and Park helped to provide some extra time for them to cross the street safely. However, people in a hurry to get downtown ignore the no turn on red sign and turn there anyway. The photo-cop may serve as a deterrent to people wanting to ignore the sign. As far as being against photo-cops in total, Dean I would think the people who are dealing with all the crime on Bloomington Av. would welcome security cameras at prominent corners along that street as would the people who are battling the drug dealers over north. I know that the Downtown Neighborhood Association was very supportive of the security cameras that were installed around the downtown area. They certainly have increased at least the perception of safer streets for downtown residents and visitors to the city as well. The downtown cameras were responsible for helping the police to catch a group of young thugs who were beating people up at bus stops downtown. It is obvious with the reduced police services that they can't be everywhere. A little help from cameras seems like a good thing to me. Barb Lickness Whittier Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Early-morning noise
I am really glad they put photo-cop on the the corner of 28th and Portland. Sometime back the city installed a no turn on red at that corner at the request of the many senior and physically challenged residents who live at Ebenezer and other large apartment buildings close by. They had a very difficult time crossing the street at 27th and Park. Adding the no turn on red at 28th and Park helped to provide some extra time for them to cross the street safely. However, people in a hurry to get downtown ignore the no turn on red sign and turn there anyway. The photo-cop may serve as a deterrent to people wanting to ignore the sign. Will photo cop be able to catch the no turn on red turners? Can you turn right on red where it is allowed when there is photo cop installed? John Harris webber-camden REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Solidarity
On 6/20/05 8:47 AM, Laura and lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, June 20, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Dyna wrote: Saturday morning at the parade lineup I found R.T.'s contingent out of signs, T-shirts, and just about everything else needed for a campaign. Whoever was sort of in charge wasn't even sure if they could use the sidecar in the parade. Sensing an opening I wandered over to the McLaughlin contingent and said hello. I was promptly welcomed aboard and my sidecar headed up the big McLaughlin contingent. standing up for my union family and Peter McLaughlin in Hawthorne, Whoa, whoa, whoa. My husband and I walked with the mayor in the Junteenth parade. We got there at about 9:30 a.m., got our signs and stickers and waited for the parade to start. We walked the entire route with the spirited group and the mayor shook hands while criss-crossing the street continuously. Our group felt very positive about the reception the mayor got along the route. My husband passed out stickers to enthusiastic takers and I waved and called out good morning to parade watchers on that glorious sunny day. I wasn't able to make the Juneteenth Parade, so I walked over to the Wirth Beach area shortly after noon. I noticed McLaughlin was already on his way out at that time. I also noticed RT Rybak and Farheen Hakeem still there meeting and talking with folks when I left several hours later. Am I suggesting that McLaughlin doesn't care as much about black folks as Rybak or Hakeem? Not at all, even though I've seen people make similar pronouncements about whatever candidate they oppose with about as much, or sometimes less evidence at hand. As an aside to Dyna, I'd have to ask why would it be necessary to have a sign or T-shirt to participate in a parade contingent? I've paraded numerous times in campaigns without either. Parade contingents are not about signs. They're about giving the people who show up an opportunity to show support for their candidate. I'm really surprised that after months of questioning and raising what I thought were legitimate concerns over McLaughlin's campaign plans, tactics and approach, you would put all that aside over a parade? Sheesh... Mark Snyder Windom Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] re- photo cop cameras
Barb responds, in part, regarding photo-cop... As far as being against photo-cops in total, Dean I would think the people who are dealing with all the crime on Bloomington Av. would welcome security cameras at prominent corners along that street as would the people who are battling the drug dealers over north. I know that the Downtown Neighborhood Association was very supportive of the security cameras that were installed around the downtown area. They certainly have increased at least the perception of safer streets for downtown residents [MH] The photo-cop cameras are NOT security cameras... they are fixed to capture autos in the intersection, not people on the street/sidewalks, etc. See- http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/stoponred/ for details. Mike Hohmann Linden Hills -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Lickness Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Terrell Brown'; mpls@mnforum.org Subject: RE: [Mpls] Early-morning noise Dean said: First, let me say that I have voted against the photo-cop every time it comes my way. My guess as to why they did the work on Sunday? Because the two streets, 28th and Portland, carry huge volumes of traffic on weekdays, it would be much less disruptive to do the work on a Sunday. The lighter traffic on Sunday could be more easily detoured with less disruption to the neighborhood. But, it seems to me that the work could have started just a little later in the morning. Me: I am really glad they put photo-cop on the the corner of 28th and Portland. Sometime back the city installed a no turn on red at that corner at the request of the many senior and physically challenged residents who live at Ebenezer and other large apartment buildings close by. They had a very difficult time crossing the street at 27th and Park. Adding the no turn on red at 28th and Park helped to provide some extra time for them to cross the street safely. However, people in a hurry to get downtown ignore the no turn on red sign and turn there anyway. The photo-cop may serve as a deterrent to people wanting to ignore the sign. As far as being against photo-cops in total, Dean I would think the people who are dealing with all the crime on Bloomington Av. would welcome security cameras at prominent corners along that street as would the people who are battling the drug dealers over north. I know that the Downtown Neighborhood Association was very supportive of the security cameras that were installed around the downtown area. They certainly have increased at least the perception of safer streets for downtown residents and visitors to the city as well. The downtown cameras were responsible for helping the police to catch a group of young thugs who were beating people up at bus stops downtown. It is obvious with the reduced police services that they can't be everywhere. A little help from cameras seems like a good thing to me. Barb Lickness Whittier Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Random thoughts
1) Re the discussion of Minneapolis schools testing: The flaw in NCLB/Minnesota Comprehensive Assessment testing to date is that different groups of children are tested year by year. This year's fifth grade math test tests a different group of children from last year's. So the comparison isn't that helpful. The number of kids at a grade level is so small that a difference of a kid or two can make for a big swing. The NALT tests, as mentioned earlier, test the same child's progress over time. The recent outside academic audit faulted Minneapolis for using the NALT, arguing that NCLB is base don the state's MCA test. But the state is slowly moving toward the sort of value-added analysis that NALT gives for its MCA/NCLB testing regiment. It's not expected this coming school year, but perhaps the year after that. 2) My newspaper doesn't seem to be able to get it into print, but Supt. Peebles will be holding a town-hall meeting Tuesday night from 6-7:30 p.m. at Burroughs School, which is on W. 50th across from Lynnhurst Park. 3) I attended the SWJ/SS Pride voter forum on April 21 for candidates for 8th Ward City Council. I got a feel for each candidate, and literature from each. That included material from an incumbent park commissioner who's running for the seat. Did she pull a permit? Was the policy enforced? I didn't see any park police checking for permits. 4) Re the predatory lending issue, as someone who covered the property flipping epidsode and later the equity skimming scam, I talked to dozens of people who got taken. Government's response was woefully inadequate. The U.S. attorney's office was selective in its prosecutions, despite the relative ease of picking out the miscreants through computer inquiry of property sales databases. For some reason, the government isn't selective about prosecuting bank robbers, but it takes a half-assed approach to those who rob poor or naive homeowners of their equity or credit. Steve Brandt Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Early-morning noise
Okay now, can someone clarify this thing for me? I thought it was to catch people who ran reds. (Not speeders, turn-on-redders, etc.) What exactly IS it and what exactly does it do please? Also, I can't see from my window if this thing is being put in on 28th and Portland, (maybe it is) but the intersection I see being worked on is 28th and PARK. Connie Nompelis Phillips West --- John Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really glad they put photo-cop on the the corner of 28th and Portland. Sometime back the city installed a no turn on red at that corner at the request of the many senior and physically challenged residents who live at Ebenezer and other large apartment buildings close by. They had a very difficult time crossing the street at 27th and Park. Adding the no turn on red at 28th and Park helped to provide some extra time for them to cross the street safely. However, people in a hurry to get downtown ignore the no turn on red sign and turn there anyway. The photo-cop may serve as a deterrent to people wanting to ignore the sign. Will photo cop be able to catch the no turn on red turners? Can you turn right on red where it is allowed when there is photo cop installed? John Harris webber-camden REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Never mind
I followed the link from Michael Hohmann's post and I think I got it now. Sounds okay to me if it's triggered by red light runners. Connie Nompelis Phillips West __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] RE: Dr. Peebles
NCLB does require that any group that provides tutoring be okayed by the state department of education and does have specific guidelines. As for testing. The MCAs, which the state of Minnesota decided to use to meet the NCLB act, only assess this years students against last years students in the same grade but do not show how any one student is progressing. Also, the MCAs aren't aligned with the state standards and won't be until 2007. In otherwords, teachers are told to teach the students certain material by the state, but then the state tests different materials. The reason Minneapolis Schools use the NALT tests is because they assess how a particular student is progressing. What really needs to happen, is that the state should drop the MCAs in favor of tests that would actually tell us if a student is learning what he/she needs to. Buzzy Bohn Folwell Michael Atherton wrote: Laura Waterman Wittstock wrote: The major strategy of NCLB is to force districts to comply with artificial standards for performance which has fueled a large remedial intervention business on schools. It is a privatization effort that has already reaped millions for Republican Bush pals in the private tutoring business. All performance standards are artificial! This is a vacuous argument. ...fueled a large remedial intervention business on schools. NCLB requires that nonperforming schools provide tutoring. Call me an education radical, but I believe that schools should be requiring tutoring for students who are falling behind. The fact that some schools have not been should be a profound embarrassment for American education! If most schools already are, then NCLB is not requiring anything new. NCLB does not specify who or what type of tutorial services should be provided. If the schools are contacting with large remedial intervention businesses, rather than providing tutoring themselves, then it's their own stupidity that's at fault, not Bush's Republican pals. The imbalance comes from only looking at performance measures while ignoring all other local conditions, which each district must deal with. NCLB is quite cynical in its approach and it will have deleterious effects on districts until the law is changed. This conclusion follows from false premises. Schools have failed minority students for years by not reporting performance measures for them and claiming that local conditions apply. In balance, Minneapolis has adjusted quite well to the irrational demands of NCLB. There are enormous challenges facing the district in terms of ESL students, a continuing stream of new immigrants, as well as the prospect of uncertain funding for some time to come, thanks to a deeply misguided governor who puts politics before children. Most of the demands of NCLB are very rational. My point has been that the MPS have not adjusted by adapting their tests to fit with the requirements of NCLB and, in my opinion, they provide misleading information to parents by lying off responsibility to NCLB. David Brauer wrote: Suspicions are dangerous (witness the previous contention blaming the Minneapolis district for tests the state and feds turn out to be responsible for). Suspicions unspoken can sometimes be more dangerous than suspicions voiced; it depends on the context. There is so much misinformation provided by the public schools and the teacher's unions than giving people pause to think about the issue may be a positive influence. On a related matter: it's unfair, I think, to salute testing in one post and then because the Minneapolis district has used one to label it CYA. The MPS having a 47% dropout rate is unfair. It is unfair to require multiple tests and then blame it on NCLB. There is a difference between good testing and bad testing, and between good management and bad. In truth, the district has used NALT for years as an accountability measure ...in some ways, providing more accountability than NCLB. That's because the district has used NALT to track individual student progress, which NCLB doesn't require. This isn't an excuse for not persuading the NALT people and the State to fit the NCLB requirements. Just because NCLB doesn't require recording individual student progress doesn't prevent the schools from using tests that both record individual progress and meet NCLB requirements. (This is a major flaw in NCLB that even supporters are trying to remedy. The problem is if a school sees a lot of in-migration of say, new immigrants, its results can look bad even though the true culprit is the changing makeup of the class. NALT shows how much each student has advanced per school year - say a grade level per year, or more, in the case of remedial catching up. If you measure individual student learning, you can control for kids whom you haven't taught for long, yet still
[Mpls] Red Light Cameras
Sorry for the confusion, I meant 28th and Park. Red light cameras will capture straight through and illegal turns (right or left) on reds at locations where it is a contributing factor to accidents. The system uses a vehicles speed (the calculation of the time it takes a vehicle to travel a set distance) to gauge if a vehicle will travel through red lights. But it is not configured to issue speeding tickets. No tickets will be issued if you make a legal turn at a permitted intersection, which is a full stop and then turn, there is no violation to capture. Unlike SafeZone cameras in Downtown, red light cameras are not fully operational surveillance cameras. They focus on driving behavior on the roadway, and do not pan, tilt, and follow people. Lt. Gregory W. Reinhardt Minneapolis Police Department CODEFOR/STOP Units Phone (612) 673-3587 Mobile (612) 919-5652 Fax(612) 673-2750 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Red Light Cameras
Here's a question. What happens if I am at a stop light where I currently have the green and signal a lefthand turn well in advance of the light turning red and some yahoo from the opposite directin (it happens a lot), speeds-up to make the light, causing me to prudently wait for him to go through? I have this happen to me a lot and wonder if I am the one that will end-up with the ticket for going through the intersection late.? dennis plante lind-bohanon REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] New Yankee Stadium
Don't know if anyone was following the news this week. Just got back from New York and the headlines there? Steinbrenner to lay out $800 million out of pocket for a new baseball stadium. I would love to know how that works for George, but not for Carl. Jeremy Wieland Northeast REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium
From: Jeremy Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium Jeremy wrote: Don't know if anyone was following the news this week. Just got back from New York and the headlines there? Steinbrenner to lay out $800 million out of pocket for a new baseball stadium. I would love to know how that works for George, but not for Carl. Dean Here: Jeez, give me a break! How about a metropolitan area of over 15 million? How about the premier sports franchise in the world, of which countless of sponsors would love to be part of? How about a Cable TV, basic TV, and radio rights deal that brings enough $$$ to support a $200 million payroll? How about the fact that the Yankees can write off the stadium debt thus significantly lowering what the team pays in luxery tax to support low revenue teams like the Twins? Given all those advantages and the City of New York is still throwing in $250 million of public $$$ into the project. Also I'm surprised no one mentioned today's Strib article on the new Cardinals stadium. A couple of things I wish the article had mentioned: 1. St. Louis also has a huge Cable TV/Radio rights deal that brings in millions more per year than the Twins could ever hope to garner. 2. The Cardinals own a lot of the development rights around the new ballpark, with potential to develop thousands of square feet of new commercial and residential units. The development rights in itself will more than pay for any stadium costs. Dean E. Carlson Ward 10, East Harriet REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] This Week in The Minneapolis Observer
THIS WEEK IN THE OBSERVER: * Cameras Ready to Catch City Drivers Running Red Lights * Downtown Walgreens to Close * Security Guards Get Union Contract * Somali TV Network Launched Plus: Downsizing our school district Go to: http://www.mplsobserver.com -- Craig Cox Founder/Editor The Minneapolis Observer www.mplsobserver.com 612/721-0285 Support the independent media! Pick up your neighborhood newspaper! REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium
On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:37 PM, Jeremy Wieland wrote: Don't know if anyone was following the news this week. Just got back from New York and the headlines there? Steinbrenner to lay out $800 million out of pocket for a new baseball stadium. I would love to know how that works for George, but not for Carl. It works on a couple of levels. The biggest one is that any George kicks in lots of money (about $100 mill, I think) to the rest of Major League baseball through revenue sharing. That's because of his massive Cable TV contract in the nation's largest market, and higher ticket prices 'cause everything costs more in NYC, and about a million and a half more fans than the Twins because of the Yankees' perennial success. HOWEVER - and this is key to understanding the unique economics of the Yankee stadium deal — MLB rules let you deduct stadium debt service from profits used to calculate revenue sharing. Therefore, in effect, George gets to keep money he otherwise gives away to other owners to spend on his new playpen, replete with more suites and a new club level. This sort of cash flow stream is simply not available to other owners. (SF did its private deal by charging about 50 percent more per ticket than other places with new stadia - function of high Bay area prices and also the park's stunning beauty. The Cardinals mostly private deal was amply explained by the Strib this weekend.) Also, it should be noted that in any apples-to-apples comparison, local NYC government is spending about $300 million to build new parking ramps, a new subway stop and swap parkland in the Bronx. So if you're tacking on the $84 million in county infrastructure costs onto the Twins' ledger, the Yankee thing is a $1.1 billion project of which the Yanks have offered $800 million. David Brauer Ballpark geek KingfieldREMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium - St. Louis is a much better comparison
I hate to use my last post of the day on this, but I partially agree with Dean and must also disagree with him. I agree that the Saint Louis Cardinals are a much better comparision to the Twins than the New York Yankees. That said, Dean misses a HUGE POINT about the Saint Louis Cardinals. He writes: 2. The Cardinals own a lot of the development rights around the new ballpark, with potential to develop thousands of square feet of new commercial and residential units. The development rights in itself will more than pay for any stadium costs. However in the article in today's Strib, which Dean refers to: Stadium subsidies not always a given http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/5465432.html there is the following comments about the Cardinals and the development rights. And while the Cardinals recently trumpeted that a big-time developer was being brought in for Ballpark Village, it has downplayed the fact that the team is not legally obligated to redevelop the six-block area. Nobody really expects that that'll materialize, Michael Chance, a former Republican mayoral candidate, said of Ballpark Village. If it does, terrific. Dann Dobson No Stadium Tax Coalition Saint Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeremy Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium Jeremy wrote: Don't know if anyone was following the news this week. Just got back from New York and the headlines there? Steinbrenner to lay out $800 million out of pocket for a new baseball stadium. I would love to know how that works for George, but not for Carl. Dean Here: Jeez, give me a break! How about a metropolitan area of over 15 million? How about the premier sports franchise in the world, of which countless of sponsors would love to be part of? How about a Cable TV, basic TV, and radio rights deal that brings enough $$$ to support a $200 million payroll? How about the fact that the Yankees can write off the stadium debt thus significantly lowering what the team pays in luxery tax to support low revenue teams like the Twins? Given all those advantages and the City of New York is still throwing in $250 million of public $$$ into the project. Also I'm surprised no one mentioned today's Strib article on the new Cardinals stadium. A couple of things I wish the article had mentioned: 1. St. Louis also has a huge Cable TV/Radio rights deal that brings in millions more per year than the Twins could ever hope to garner. 2. The Cardinals own a lot of the development rights around the new ballpark, with potential to develop thousands of square feet of new commercial and residential units. The development rights in itself will more than pay for any stadium costs. Dean E. Carlson Ward 10, East Harriet REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] New Mets stadium
While we're on the topic of New York stadia, last week the AP reported:: Their Olympic dream suddenly revived and drastically revised, New York planners were immersed Monday in the tedious work of putting together technical proposals for the 2012 Games centered on a stadium in Queens ... The revised bid hinges on a $600 million stadium to be built by the New York Mets in Queens, next to existing Shea Stadium, that would be converted into an Olympic stadium should New York City be selected. The city and state would provide about $160 million in infrastructure and $100 million to convert the stadium from 45,000 seats to 80,000 for the games. Mayor Michael Bloomberg's dream of a stadium on the west side of Manhattan for $2 billion, including $600 million in city and state funding, died last week... Steve Brandt Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Predatory Lending - Taking a stand to end the practice in Mpls
Jim Bernstein wrote: When I was Commissioner of the Minnesota Dept. of Commerce in the Ventura Administration (the state agency charged with regulating mortgage and other lenders) I talked about predatory lending at dozens of meetings and hearings throughout the state. I usually started out with the sentence: Predatory lending in Minnesota is legal! It was then and to some degree still is! It's not as virulent as it was several years ago thanks to the multi-state action spearheaded by the Ventura Administration and Attorney General Mike Hatch which lead to stiff civil penalties levied against Household Finance - the mother of all predatory lenders. In part because of that action and the potential for additional civil penalties and damages, Household and many other sub-prime market lenders changed their business practices to make predatory lending less common, but not obsolete! One of the many tragedies associated with predatory lending is that the borrower CANNOT just break the contract as simply as Mr. Anderson suggests. The lender usually has the requisite documents signed and dated by the borrower(s) and simply points to those documents and says see, they signed the papers! And, the stakes are huge! A mortgage loan is nearly always secured by the property being purchased. And nearly always in the sub-prime market, that property is also the primary residence of the borrower. When a borrower breaks the contract in a mortgage loan, that gives the seller the ability to obtain the property through foreclosure. Most of the time, we saw victims of predatory loans struggling to make the payments - sometimes tricked into re-financing one predatory loan with another - in order to stay in the house! The alternative for many in the sub-prime market is homelessness along with the loss of whatever equity they had built up! snip What turns the interest rate alone into a predatory loan is when the borrower is told one rate and it turns out to be higher, or the borrower is assured that it will be within a range but that the loan will be at the low end of that range (it never is), or if the quoted rate is dependent upon other or variables or conditions which may be either onerous or impossible to meet. We did - and still do - need laws to outlaw predatory lending practices and schemes. Minneapolis and St. Paul continue to be ground zero for predatory lending in Minnesota. Mark Anderson replies: I'm not an expert on banking, so I'll take your word for it that there is a lot of deceptive lending going on out there. But I didn't see anything in your posting that showed why we shouldn't be using the commercial laws that already exist. As I said in my earlier comments, it makes sense for the state to define lending fraud as well as damages, so that it is easier to prosecute lenders. A statute could reasonably define fraud to include lack of disclosure of key facets of the agreement on the first page in large print. It could define damages in such a way so that the borrower has a chance to get a new loan before being required to pay off the fraudulent one. Those definitions should take care of the issues you discussed. It just complicates the law and makes compliance more difficult when we write whole new laws every time we see some scofflaws out there doing nasty things. Define and enforce what we have first. One of the problems I have with the whole predatory lending thing is just nomenclature. With that name, one gets the misleading picture of a lender leaping on a borrower and forcing him/her to sign the papers. It makes me think of those on the loony left who believe that any voluntary transactions between a corporation and an individual are somehow predatory on the part of the corporation. What really happens is both sides happily sign the papers, but one side is cheating the other through their greater knowledge of the law. Why not just call it fraudulent lending? Everyone would be against that. Then it's just a matter of defining what constitutes fraud. Mark V Anderson Bancroft REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Friday Night Dinner in Mpls (for 50)
Hi! I'm planning a national meeting of folks who do Online Deliberative Democracy (E-Democracy). We're meeting at the University of Minnesota (Humphrey Institute) on Friday and Saturday (this weekend). We'll have anywhere from 30 - 50 people, including local participants. On FRIDAY night, we'd like to do something special for Dinner, other than a simple banquet at the University of Minnesota. Someone suggested a barbecue, or maybe a really interesting Mpls dinner venue? But, I'm swamped and haven't figured out a weather safe plan to host a barbeque for up to 50 people and just don't have any other creative ideas for something that we might do in Minneapolis (I live in St. Paul). Maybe, I'll bring them over to St. Paul :-) If anyone has a suggestion, they should let me know. If you come up with the winning suggestion, you can join us for dinner, on me. Anyone.? Our criteria are: 1) 25 - 50 people 2) Something fun 3) We need our own space, so we can mingle and network 4) Can't be too loud or distracting. Again, we want to socialize and network. 5) Convenient to the University of Minnesota However, we can transport folks if we have to. Best wishes, Tim Erickson St. Paul 651-643-0722 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] New Yankee Stadium
I am an old Baseball fan who left after the strike and has never really come back. And I just honestly have not had a lot of time to read everything about the Mpls Deal other than its impact on the Park system. But for some reason I read these Other City articles today and noticed this about the NY deal. At 01:33 PM 6/20/05 -0500, David Brauer wrote: From the article - way down towards the bottom. and swap parkland in the Bronx. I'd be interested to know what they swapped...how much and what did they give up and what do they get for it? Just curious. I'll have to go read some NYC info later tonight, I guess. Annie Young Enjoy these longest hours of Summer Solstice in the Parks REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Paying for a stadium
Peter Vevang writes: Why not sell the land around the Metrodome in order to pay for the new stadium. There has to be about 20 acres right next to downtown, with its own LRT stop and top notch bus service, with prime highway access and great views of DT and walking distance to the Guthrie, the orchestra, DT Restaurants and shops and the river. By state law, the land sale proceeds are already promised - to the Vikings stadium. We did a story on the Dome's future on May 16 with more details: http://www.skywaynews.net/articles/2005/05/16/news/news02.txt David Brauer Kingfield Editor, Southwest Journal Skyway News REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Minneapolis Pensions MPRA MFRA
The Star tribune writes about how the Minneapolis City Council and others city meetings are on the Internet or planning to go in a growing interest of the community to keep informed. That is good. Things are going quite the opposite however with the older Minneapolis city police pension, the Minneapolis Police Relief Association. The MPRA has had poor attendance of members at most Board meetings but the MPRA had posted minutes at their website, www. mpra.net for quite some time. The minutes began posting on June 8th 1999 and ran continuously until January 13, 2004 when they were removed by Board vote. My friends who belong to the MFRA, the Minneapolis Fire Relief Association, report a similar reluctance to share information regarding their minutes. They will not provide copies of minutes of past meetings to be taken from the room or even copied at their office. Both pensions run close to each other as legislation dealing with one often reflects in the other. Members of both pensions are not keeping abreast of situations in their pensions due to what appears to be a suppression of information to members and the public. There appears to be some common denominator here and whatever that is it is not good! William Lundquist, Bloomington REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Strib sweeping issues under the rug (school board Peebles).
The failure of the district to make any progress toward closing the black white achievement gap is something that Peelbes supporters and the board want to sweep under the rug, for obvious reasons. What Steve Brandt initially wrote about the recently released basic skills test scores in the Star Tribune is not the kind of news coverage the MPS Board and administration wanted. I'm am sure a large percentage of Strib readers saw at least one of the recent articles / editorials about Peebles' job performance, and far fewer saw Steve Brandt's article about the test scores. As I recall, Brandt's test score analysis was NOT part of a story on page 1, A section, above the fold, at least 2 stories on page 1 of the metro section, and addressed in our view editorials, letters to the editor, a Doug Grow column, and commentary in the local black press (e.g., Ron Edwards). Steve Brandt's article about the basic standards test scores noted that test scores were up districtwide, and that overall, poor performing schools made much smaller gains. Peebles' schools registered the smallest gains. No progress was made toward closing the black-white achievement gap. How is the superintendent standing up for the black community and standing up to the school board? As I noted in my latest blog entry, the board and its superintendent are not in compliance with the Minnesota Department of Education's Desegregation Rule and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment of the US constitution. See blog entry for 19 June 2005 at http://educationright.com/blog The African American leaders who are circling the wagons around Peebles should be blasting the school board for its illegally segregated schools, the revolving door for teachers in black schools, noncompliance with Title VI of the civil rights act of 1964, etc. However, they got real quiet about how the board is denying a majority of African American students an adequate education, and started hushing and shushing people with gripes about the schools immediately after Peebles was hired. Peelbes is not a strong superintendent, and the board had good reason to believe she would be a weak superintendent when they hired her. Peebles had no prior experience as a superintendent, and therefore could not quickly get her feet on the ground and play a strong leadership role. Her abrasive management style reportedly undermined her authority as assistant superintendent in the Cleveland schools. The only acceptable defense against some of the rumored conduct toward subordinates reported in Strib and City Pages is that it didn't happen. -Doug Mann, King Field Just returned from a one-week vacation in Grand Marais, MN candidate for 8th ward city council http://educationright.com/blog REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Solidarity
I noticed McLaughlin was already on his way out at that time. I also noticed RT Rybak and Farheen Hakeem still there meeting and talking with folks when I left several hours later. When I arrived at the parade line-up area at 9 am Peter was already there and talking to folks while R.T. had yet to arrive. As an aside to Dyna, I'd have to ask why would it be necessary to have a sign or T-shirt to participate in a parade contingent? I've paraded numerous times in campaigns without either. Parade contingents are not about signs. They're about giving the people who show up an opportunity to show support for their candidate. You need to have something unifying to show the size of your candidate's support as well as signs, etc. to communicate the candidate's name and message. I'm really surprised that after months of questioning and raising what I thought were legitimate concerns over McLaughlin's campaign plans, tactics and approach, you would put all that aside over a parade? Sheesh... I had committed beforehand to do the parade for R.T. When they had no signs or other visuals available to put on the sidecar and weren't even sure if they could use the sidecar they effectively released me from that commitment. I was then able to follow my conscience and support Peter McLaughlin. Supporting Peter McLaughlin and a better Minneapolis from Hawthorne, Dyna Sluyter REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Solidarity
Whoa, whoa, whoa. My husband and I walked with the mayor in the Junteenth parade. We got there at about 9:30 a.m., got our signs and stickers and waited for the parade to start. Too bad R.T. didn't have T-shirts available like every organized campaign did. When I left R.T.'s contingent there were only a couple signs left that weren't already attached to something and they were in rough shape. We walked the entire route with the spirited (little) group and the mayor shook hands while criss-crossing the street continuously. Our group felt very positive about the reception the mayor got along the route. My husband passed out stickers to enthusiastic takers and I waved and called out good morning to parade watchers on that glorious sunny day. Thanks, Laura R.T.'s contingent was about half the size of Peter McLaughlin's and you were probably the only one of R.T.'s much vaunted endorsers to make the parade. Perhaps after Peter outpolled R.T. at the city convention those endorsers are making themselves scarce? working for Peter McLaughlin and a better Minneapolis from Hawthorne, Dyna Sluyter REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] New Software for MPLS-ISSUES?
E-Democracy.Org has begun to move our forums to a new software package called Groupserver. The two new Local Issues Forums in the UK both run on Groupserver, as does the St. Paul Issues Forum. We'd like to see MPLS make the move someday as well. If you have questions or comments about the new software, please join with the Designer of Groupserver (visiting from New Zealand) at MAP for Nonprofits on Monday June 27th, for a demonstration and discussion about the future of E-Democracy.Org and Groupserver. Members of the St. Paul Issues Forum will be there providing feedback on what they think of Groupserver after just over one month of using it. --- WHO:Dan Randow, designer of Groupserver visiting from New Zealand Steve Clift, E-Democracy.Org Board Chair Tim Erickson, E-Democracy.Org Others... WHERE: MAP for Nonprofits 2233 University Ave W Suite 360 St. Paul Directions: http://tinyurl.com/6aj94 WHEN: Monday, June 27th 5:00 - 6:30 PM RSVP: Helpful but not required [EMAIL PROTECTED] (specify which event - Groupserver/E-Democracy Meeting) NOTE: Dan will be giving a public demonstration of Groupserver and taking questions, in the same room from 3:00 - 4:30 PM, just prior to the E-Democracy meeting. The first demonstration is intended for non-profits, political groups, or anyone else interested in Groupserver outside the context of E-Democracy.Org. Feel free to attend both meetings/demonstrations. Tim Erickson Hamline Midway [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
