[Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls
Hey, Buddy, Can you spare $235 million dollars? Carl Pohlad probably already is breaking the aggresive panhandling ordinance already on the books. As the City of Mpls looks towards trying to register panhandlers, Mr. Phohlad should easily fall under that as well. Except that the rules are different between rich and poor. Even getting a few port a potties downtown for folks who are homeless to use while they are waiting to get into the shelters on Currie is like moving a freak'n mountain. The County Commissioners voted a couple of months of ago for that livability ordinance to further harass poor people in the downtown area. This stadium deal is not about improving the downtown business area, what a fallacy. It is about lining the pockets of those already wealthy. It is about continuing to give over control of our city, county, and state to those who do not have the best interests of the majority of our residents in mind. Instead of pointing the finger at those most culpable in the struggles faced by our city, local politicos and business interests scapegoat those who have so little voice already. The Twins need a home? What an irony when so many without homes will be in a shelter just a few blocks away from that proposed stadium. It isn't called panhandling when you have the financial resources to pretty it up and call it lobbying. Margaret Hastings Kingfield REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls
The only other time I got on board with a Twins Stadium deal was when Carl promised 90 million dollars. Then we find out he wasn't writing a check. He was claiming naming rights, beer pouring exclusive rights, etc. That was how he came up with his 90 million. By selling all the things that the owner of the stadium can sell, there is a lot of money. But he wasn't building the stadium, he was selling all the stuff you and I have the right to sell by being the owners of the building. Here are the questions I hope the list can answer. 1. Who will own the stadium? 2. Who will name the stadium? 3. Who gets the cash for all exclusive rights such as signs, beer pouring etc? 4. How much is the check that actually comes out of a Marquette Bank Account under the name of Carl Pohlad payable to Hennepin County? 5. How much money is going back to Mr. Pohland? Let's hope it's not another hocus pocus deal like 1995 1996? or was it '97 or '98 What ever. Craig Miller Rogers MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls
here's my guesses 1. Who will own the stadium? either the metropolitan sports facilities commission or the twins. probably the twins. 2. Who will name the stadium? some company that has the cash. used to think NWA but they have no money. best buy, general mills? 3. Who gets the cash for all exclusive rights such as signs, beer pouring etc? the team gets all revenue and why not. if a new park is build but the team gets the same revenue then why build it? 4. How much is the check that actually comes out of a Marquette Bank Account under the name of Carl Pohlad payable to Hennepin County? i suspect it will be $40million today and the rest before opening day 5. How much money is going back to Mr. Pohland? pohlad owns the team so he gets any profit and covers any losses. He could take the new revenue, slash the payroll and recoup the money put up the get the thing built. or, which i believe will happen, they will take the revenues and reinvest most of it back into the team to ensure they are competitive for years to come. Remember, a new stadium by itself doesn't ensure the increased revenues. fannies in the seats do and a solid product on the field will go a long way to making sure that happens. the increased revenue streams a new park provides helps do that. John Harris webber-camden REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls
I have the same questions Craig has, and I find it interesting that none of these have been addressed. I don't think this deal is quite as hokey as the one were Pohlad's contribution turned out to be a loan, but I do smell something fishy. Naming rights are the major thing I don't see being addressed and I suspect that they belong to the Twins (that is, Mr. Pohlad). Or, perhaps, Pohlad will write the check and keep naming rights to sell later. All of Craig's questions must be answered before this deal goes through. Jim McGuire Como Craig Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other time I got on board with a Twins Stadium deal was when Carl promised 90 million dollars. Then we find out he wasn't writing a check. He was claiming naming rights, beer pouring exclusive rights, etc. That was how he came up with his 90 million. By selling all the things that the owner of the stadium can sell, there is a lot of money. But he wasn't building the stadium, he was selling all the stuff you and I have the right to sell by being the owners of the building. Here are the questions I hope the list can answer. 1. Who will own the stadium? 2. Who will name the stadium? 3. Who gets the cash for all exclusive rights such as signs, beer pouring etc? 4. How much is the check that actually comes out of a Marquette Bank Account under the name of Carl Pohlad payable to Hennepin County? 5. How much money is going back to Mr. Pohland? Let's hope it's not another hocus pocus deal like 1995 1996? or was it '97 or '98 What ever. Craig Miller Rogers MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls
One note of warning on a new stadium and its relationship to fielding a competitive baseball team. Pittsburgh has a veritable temple to baseball, brand new and right where the Allegheny and Monongahela rivers join to form the Ohio. Their boss, Kevin McClatchy, took the new stadium and promptly stripped the team of any value. Now Pittsburgh has a beautiful stadium, and the Pirates have been downgraded to a really good AAA team. I don't follow Mr. Pohlad and can't speak to his financial commitment to the team however I think we need some assurances from Twins management that they will use revenues to invest in payroll and keeping general admission ticket prices affordable. Jeremy Wieland Circulation Director Utne magazine Northeast -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Harris Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:22 AM To: mpls@mnforum.org Subject: Re: [Mpls] The biggest panhandler in Mpls here's my guesses 1. Who will own the stadium? either the metropolitan sports facilities commission or the twins. probably the twins. 2. Who will name the stadium? some company that has the cash. used to think NWA but they have no money. best buy, general mills? 3. Who gets the cash for all exclusive rights such as signs, beer pouring etc? the team gets all revenue and why not. if a new park is build but the team gets the same revenue then why build it? 4. How much is the check that actually comes out of a Marquette Bank Account under the name of Carl Pohlad payable to Hennepin County? i suspect it will be $40million today and the rest before opening day 5. How much money is going back to Mr. Pohland? pohlad owns the team so he gets any profit and covers any losses. He could take the new revenue, slash the payroll and recoup the money put up the get the thing built. or, which i believe will happen, they will take the revenues and reinvest most of it back into the team to ensure they are competitive for years to come. Remember, a new stadium by itself doesn't ensure the increased revenues. fannies in the seats do and a solid product on the field will go a long way to making sure that happens. the increased revenue streams a new park provides helps do that. John Harris webber-camden REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
