[Mpls] What's with Mpls DFL?

2002-11-27 Thread Craig Miller
Brian Herron-Convicted

Jackie Cherryhomes- Never charged or convicted of any crime.  But the image
of more then one policy board, govt, atty, funding agency having to re-write
their rules and conflict of interest policy after a date with the former
COUNCIL PRESIDENT, is a telling item. Dismissed by the voters.

Joe Biernat- Council VP Convicted

Sandy Hillary- No crimes or convictions, but dangerously close to trading
votes for money. Borrowing/Fleecing funds from friends, relatives, and
acquaintances. Dismissed by the voters.

Mark Andrew- Next up to be indicted?

These are all DFL'ers who rose to the pinnacle of power in their city or
county.  In the case of Mr. Andrew.  Chair of the MN State DFL party.  How
far do we have to go back in our city's history to see this much
malfeasance?  Floyd B. put away a whole bunch of city councilors in the late
teens of the last century. Has there been another era such as this in the
past 85 years?

Craig Miller
Shocked and waiting for other shoes to drop. Former Fultonite.
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- Original Message -
From: Andy Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been properly upbraided, and not defensively so, for citing the Mark
Andrew story as lazy reporting for clichéd adjectives describing Andrew -
and other story figures over time.

I really should have focused on the phrasing and writing, not the reporting.
The reporting was quire wonderful, frankly. Mark Andrew is know by many of
us as a liberal, and I fall on that side of the line myself, unabashed, as
it were.

Mark is known to reporters and old party hacks and colleagues as a liberal.

The story is a good one, ferreting out as it did the guy helped out by a
plumber's union official who pled guilty to using union funds to perform
work on an elected official's private residence.

Important story. Not lazy reporting. Clichéd adjectives come easy after
nonstop research and meeting deadlines. I just wish they didn't fall so
easily off the tongue and onto the keys for publication. But it's not always
the reporters' job to catch them. It's an editor's. So the charge is easily
spread around the newsroom.

Clichés are bad enough, but when used in print or broadcast news by
reporters, editors, commentators, the effect is to reinforce unnecessary
stereotypes.

So. I apologize to Steve Brandt and Rocky Olson for implying, even explying,
that the story represented lazy reporting. It did not. It was good.

Andy Driscoll
Saint Paul
 
The most consistent and ultimately damaging failure of political journalism
in America has its roots in the clubby/cocktail personal relationships that
inevitably develop between politicians and journalists. When professional
antagonists become after-hours drinking buddies, they are not likely to turn
each other in.

--Hunter Thompson
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail
1973

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Re: [Mpls] What's with Mpls DFL?

2002-11-27 Thread WizardMarks
Craig Miller wrote:


Brian Herron-Convicted
Jackie Cherryhomes- Never charged or convicted of any crime.  
Joe Biernat- Council VP Convicted
Sandy Hillary- No crimes or convictions
Mark Andrew- Next up to be indicted?
These are all DFL'ers who rose to the pinnacle of power in their city or
county. 

WM: The thing that bothers me about rants on the issue of crooked 
politicians is not separating influence from underhandedness. You listed 
two people convicted of a crime and three people convicted of nothing.
We elect people because (1) we think we can influence or already have 
influenced their thinking on issues and (2) we think they have or can 
develop influence in the city, county, state, or federal legislative 
units to open the purse strings to serve us.
When we elected Brian Herron in the 8th ward, we were banking on the 
fact that he could persuade the city council to vote for issues we 
wanted to see passed. The Healy Block and a couple of adjacent blocks, I 
think, wanted pedestrian lighting. The debate in council was around the 
issue of whether or not we could afford the installation of 
approximately two square blocks of pedestrian lighting [not real sure 
about the parameters of the installation any more]. (This pre-dated 
NRP.) Herron had to persuade the majority of the council that even 
though we are poor, we do have the right to spend our own dollars as we 
see fit. Consider what that means. He persuaded the council.
Lilligren and Zimmerman made the same type of mumbled accusations about 
McLaughlin, Rybak, and Ostrow who wanted to use their influence to shake 
loose the dollars for access and amelioration. Since he disagrees with 
building this freeway work, he thinks it underhanded that McLaughlin, 
Rybak, and Ostrow might influence the legislature in another direction. 
They had influence with Welles Fargo, Abbott, St. Mary's, and whoever.
Lilligren came in the middle of that struggle and could not have 
expected to be able to exert influence against the tide. Herron 
organized this confluence of people to help improve the economic status 
of neighborhoods abutting Lake St. between I35W and Hiawatha. Access was 
a major, first thing on the table issue, as were jobs, housing and 
safety. Neighborhoods, industries, politicians, non-profits, police, 
MCDA, the city in the person of SSB all signed on to make the changes 
that would make us an economically viable sector of the city.
Then Herron made a stupid mistake (is there such a thing as a smart 
mistake in anything more important than post-its?) and got caught in an 
FBI sting.
Does that negate his excellent performance on the issue of economic 
viability and safety for which we elected him? I don't think so if we 
have gone from having to debate the issue of whether or not we could 
spend our own money to buy street lights for a couple of blocks to being 
able to finesse amelioration of blight and increased access to 
transportation corridors for a better economy.
Other politicians haven't made the mistake Herron made or the one 
Biernat made. Hopefully they used their influence with the consent of 
the governed.
Certainly, in as far as there is paperwork to trace this adventure, I 
can absolutely say that McLaughlin, Herron, the council, and the county 
board used their influence with the consent, nay pushing of the 
governed. If that's a crime too, then we have set up the entire 
political processes of this country to support that crime.
WizardMarks, Central



Craig Miller
Shocked and waiting for other shoes to drop. Former Fultonite.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message -
From: Andy Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Minneapolis Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: [Mpls] Apology


I have been properly upbraided, and not defensively so, for citing the Mark
Andrew story as lazy reporting for clichéd adjectives describing Andrew -
and other story figures over time.

I really should have focused on the phrasing and writing, not the reporting.
The reporting was quire wonderful, frankly. Mark Andrew is know by many of
us as a liberal, and I fall on that side of the line myself, unabashed, as
it were.

Mark is known to reporters and old party hacks and colleagues as a liberal.

The story is a good one, ferreting out as it did the guy helped out by a
plumber's union official who pled guilty to using union funds to perform
work on an elected official's private residence.

Important story. Not lazy reporting. Clichéd adjectives come easy after
nonstop research and meeting deadlines. I just wish they didn't fall so
easily off the tongue and onto the keys for publication. But it's not always
the reporters' job to catch them. It's an editor's. So the charge is easily
spread around the newsroom.

Clichés are bad enough, but when used in print or broadcast news by
reporters, editors, commentators, the effect is to reinforce unnecessary
stereotypes.

So. I apologize to Steve Brandt and Rocky Olson 

Re: [Mpls] What's with Mpls DFL?

2002-11-27 Thread Michael Atherton
WizardMarks wrote:

 Does that negate his excellent performance on the issue of economic
 viability and safety for which we elected him? I don't think so if we
 have gone from having to debate the issue of whether or not we could
 spend our own money to buy street lights for a couple of blocks to being
 able to finesse amelioration of blight and increased access to
 transportation corridors for a better economy.

It is too much to hope that we can have politicians who are both
honest and effective?  In some ways I think his conviction does negate
his successes in much the same way that Clinton's lie negated his.
Expecting that public officials make it though their terms without
being corrupted is not the same as expecting perfection.

Michael Atherton
Prospect Park

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