Re: [Mpls] talking trash
Intelligent insight. Hope opinion making like this doesn't get very far in the genetic pool of the Mpls/DFL/Activist species. Craig Miller Former Fultonite [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Robert Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] talking trash I have similar problems. However, the argument that my neighbors are doing it is wrong on two counts; First, we have a wind problem. A lot of trash gets blown here from lake Street. Second, it's people from outside, especially the burbies who come here looking for sex drugs and think that we are their trash can. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
Craig Miller wrote: Intelligent insight. Hope opinion making like this doesn't get very far in the genetic pool of the Mpls/DFL/Activist species. I think that in some ways I fit this particular subspecies of Homosapiensapien. Since I live two blocks and four lots from Schmidt, I also know of what Robert speaks. There is also a huge number of junkies, junky dealers and junkie prostitutes who make there homes within a block or two of Lake St. They're creepier yet and most of them are heroine geekers from Chicago and Gary, Indiana. They're not young junkies either, they're as old as 60 and 65. Their middle aged children are junkies too. They're selling to support their habits. They're every bit as scary as gang banger dealers and they mix it up for territory. Enter the Latino gangs who are no picnic either and who behave differently from AA gangs. The best thing for junkie dealers is to grab them at a low point--really low since some have been down so long it looks like up--and put them in treatment. Caveat: The older the person, the more difficult to break the habit. We can't shoot them, we can run them in and out of jails, but that solves nothing since time in jail is not spent trying to change behaviors. Jail/prison is a warehouse that only worsens the situation. Treatment is hard sledding all the way and the odds against success are low. Further, treatment means waiting most of the time. There are men out here every night working to pull junkies into treatment. Some of them call themselves MADDDADS. Some don't. In my particular neck of the woods they're a godsend. This is an uphill slog all the way. Schmidt is lucky in one way. Aftercare, Inc. is on his block. Every man jack of 'em is an ex-junkie learning how to have a life without ' being in the life.' They set a powerful example of how to go about making that change. The paradigm shift has to be away from the stupid and unsuccessful war on drugs and toward the recapture of the basic humanity of the junkies. I'm really counting on the African American Men's Project for taking the leadership in this struggle. That appears to be their intention. WizardMarks, Central Craig Miller Former Fultonite [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Robert Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] talking trash I have similar problems. However, the argument that my neighbors are doing it is wrong on two counts; First, we have a wind problem. A lot of trash gets blown here from lake Street. Second, it's people from outside, especially the burbies who come here looking for sex drugs and think that we are their trash can. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
Wizard's right, I AM lucky to live on the same block as Aftercare. Let me add my commendations to James Walker and Aftercare, Inc! I live between 4 houses owned by Aftercare, Inc. For those that think half-way houses ruin neighborhoods, you should INVITE this program in! In 5 years of living here, I have never had one problem or one concern about them. I know from historical research and my own experience that this program has improved the neighborhood. I know that they keep watch and keep the dealers out. It's a very good program! On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 10:04 AM, WizardMarks wrote: Craig Miller wrote: Intelligent insight. Hope opinion making like this doesn't get very far in the genetic pool of the Mpls/DFL/Activist species. Schmidt is lucky in one way. Aftercare, Inc. is on his block. Every man jack of 'em is an ex-junkie learning how to have a life without ' being in the life.' They set a powerful example of how to go about making that change. The paradigm shift has to be away from the stupid and unsuccessful war on drugs and toward the recapture of the basic humanity of the junkies. I'm really counting on the African American Men's Project for taking the leadership in this struggle. That appears to be their intention. WizardMarks, Central Robert Schmid Central Neighborhood Candidate for Hennepin Soil Water Board, District 2 Green Party Endorsed http://www.raptor.net/~rschmid ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
I don't mind relating to what degree other halfway houses help stabilize their immediate vicinities. Now I'm living a couple of blocks from Teen Challenge, a 59-bed facility for faith-based recovery clients who live in a structured environment for up to one year. Teen Challenge came over to visit all 59 clients strong plus three or four staff last Saturday afternoon and had hot dogs and chili with us in the Horn Terrace congregate dining room. We were going to do this as a picnic outside, but the weather was too unsettled. A good time was had by all, as expected. We will have more contact with these fine fellows - they sing well together and we have a number of former choristers in our resident population, myself included, as it happens. Teen Challenge also plans to help us put the gardens to bed for the winter. Previously I lived in the immediate vicinity of several group homes in the heart of Whittier and they were without exception good neighbors and generally agreed by other renters and owners in the 2400 and 2500 blocks of Pillsbury Ave. S. to be reputable and desirable uses for the buildings they occupy. Fred Markus, Horn Terrace, Ward Ten ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
Fred, I bought and totally renovated inside and out the small mansions at 2431 Pleasant Ave. S., 2434 Pleasant Ave. S. and 2439 Pleasant Ave. S as well as 2438 Pillsbury Ave. S and 2434 Pillsbury Ave. S. in the late 70's and early 80's. I lived in 2434 Pillsbury Ave. S. from 1975 through 1988 and we had nothing but trouble from the residents of the group homes. When they weren't robbing the Franklin National Bank, they were harrassing my good tenants in the aforementioned properties. I finally gave up and sold all of those properties and moved farther out in South Minneapolis. I do not know when you lived there in the middle of Whittier, but maybe things had changed by the mid 90's. Steve Meldahl Jordan (work) - Original Message - From: Fredric Markus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Mpls] talking trash I don't mind relating to what degree other halfway houses help stabilize their immediate vicinities. Now I'm living a couple of blocks from Teen Challenge, a 59-bed facility for faith-based recovery clients who live in a structured environment for up to one year. Teen Challenge came over to visit all 59 clients strong plus three or four staff last Saturday afternoon and had hot dogs and chili with us in the Horn Terrace congregate dining room. We were going to do this as a picnic outside, but the weather was too unsettled. A good time was had by all, as expected. We will have more contact with these fine fellows - they sing well together and we have a number of former choristers in our resident population, myself included, as it happens. Teen Challenge also plans to help us put the gardens to bed for the winter. Previously I lived in the immediate vicinity of several group homes in the heart of Whittier and they were without exception good neighbors and generally agreed by other renters and owners in the 2400 and 2500 blocks of Pillsbury Ave. S. to be reputable and desirable uses for the buildings they occupy. Fred Markus, Horn Terrace, Ward Ten ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
I rented at 2449 Pillsbury from September, 1987 to June, 2000. I understand things were dicey in the earlier years that you mentioned and I read about some of this when I lived at two of NuWay's houses in the 2500 block of 1st Ave. S. from September, 1984 to May, 1986 and read about bad things in the Whittier Globe but these reports were mainly about prostitution on Nicollet. Things lightened up in the '90s and I for sure never heard ill of Helen Deputat's operations further north on Pillsbury or the big facility right across from me at 2450 Pillsbury or another specialized facility across the intersection at 2500 Pillsbury. Nor have there ever been any ripples from the home for retarded folks a bit to the north of the intersection of 24th and Pillsbury. There was still plenty of rough stuff further south - gangs and drugs - but a lot of people worked very hard and with considerable success to bring stability back to the neighborhood and our particular area was pretty quiet. Fred Markus, Horn Terrace, Ward Ten ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] talking trash
I recall a semi-controversy a couple years back when former CM Cherryhomes was seeking some funds to help to clean-up West Broadway. Naysayers from the cleaner, gentler wards were miffed. The argument being that people in their wards don't throw garbage all over, and why should another ward get money to fix what is essentially a behavioral problem... It's hard to convince people who don't litter to part with tax dollars to pay the slobs that do. Besides, there are already tax dollars at work paying Sentenced-to-Serve crews to do that for them. I don't understand it. In MY day (and it wasn't yesterday) my mother would have slapped me into next week if I tossed a piece of gum out the car window. Yet nearly every morning I have to pick up beer bottles, superamerica bags, candy wrappers, chip bags from the boulevard and my front yard. I'm up until 10 p.m. and it's not there then. It shows up overnight like some bad mushrooms. Doesn't anyone on the north side sleep anymore? Know how to cook? Eat a green vegetable? It's one greasy, take-out, styrofoam container after another. No wonder the young people in this country are cursed with obesity. I'm all for encouraging kids to pick up the trash -if not simply for the exercise, but paying them to do it is another story. Someone ought to hit-up Subway for $25,000 worth of lo-cal sandwiches instead; sans wrappers of course. JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] talking trash
I have similar problems. However, the argument that my neighbors are doing it is wrong on two counts; First, we have a wind problem. A lot of trash gets blown here from lake Street. Second, it's people from outside, especially the burbies who come here looking for sex drugs and think that we are their trash can. On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 08:51 PM, j c harmon wrote: I recall a semi-controversy a couple years back when former CM Cherryhomes was seeking some funds to help to clean-up West Broadway. Naysayers from the cleaner, gentler wards were miffed. The argument being that people in their wards don't throw garbage all over, and why should another ward get money to fix what is essentially a behavioral problem... It's hard to convince people who don't litter to part with tax dollars to pay the slobs that do. Besides, there are already tax dollars at work paying Sentenced-to-Serve crews to do that for them. Robert Schmid Central Neighborhood Candidate for Hennepin Soil Water Board, District 2 Green Party Endorsed http://www.raptor.net/~rschmid ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
