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On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 10:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the list manager does not wish to warn such a person and initiate list punishment, I constitute that the list manager and this forum are in support of their statements and partially liable for their actions. I handle libel and slander as a substantial part of my law practice. I have posted on my website a basic summary of the elements of defamation law in Minnesota, at http://www.abbottlaw.com/defamation.html As amusing as it might be to see our list manager in the dock for failing to police the forum, it's not going to happen. You can't sue the phone company for slander disseminated over the phone lines, even if they have actual knowledge of the phone calls in question. Nor can you sue the post office for libel disseminated in letters sent by mail, even if they have actual knowledge of the contents. For better or worse, the law has decided that people who host and moderate internet bulletin boards also fall into this common carrier category. Individuals can be held liable for defamatory statements posted to an internet bulletin board or mailing list. But bringing an action for defamation is more complicated than it seems -- there are a lot of legal defenses, not the least of which is the First Amendment. Still, as Sgt. Esterhaus used to say in Hill Street Blues, be careful out there. Greg Abbott --- Greg Abbott Linden Hills 13th Ward
RE: [Mpls] Forum Notice
Zachary I feel very threatened by your comments here. Just because I subscribe to this forum does in no way mean I condone or agree with anyone on it. Take your lawyer and your threats of lawsuits and 'bugger off'. Ron Leurquin Nokomis East -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Mpls] Forum NoticeI wish to make it known that if any individual that wishes to write any falsehoods about me on this public forum, that they are subjecting themselves and this forum to legal action. If the list manager does not wish to warn such a person and initiate list punishment, I constitute that the list manager and this forum are in support of their statements and partially liable for their actions. I have never been escorted from anywhere, at anytime, by any law enforcement agency! Zachary Metoyer8th wardCentral
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As list members might appreciate, lawsuit threats require a careful response. Greg Abbott's post covers the subject of list members' liability; I'll withhold comment on my situation - except to say that if forum members think a rule has been broken, they have to let me know OFF LIST. I'd appreciate it if others (who I know are well intentioned) could not post to the list on this topic. As the rules indicate, personal attacks of all sorts are not to be put here. David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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Good god, if there were in fact a basis for the claims made by Zachary, RT (and other elected officials) would own every bit of property of most of the list members using the service. If you don't want to get stung by the bees, don't mess with the bee-hive. In other words, if you work for a high-profile developer, you should be prepared for strong sentiments. Me thinks thou does protest too much. Dennis Plante Jordan _ bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Forum Notice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to make it known that if any individual that wishes to write any falsehoods about me on this public forum, that they are subjecting themselves and this forum to legal action. If the list manager does not wish to warn such a person and initiate list punishment, I constitute that the list manager and this forum are in support of their statements and partially liable for their actions. I have never been escorted from anywhere, at anytime, by any law enforcement agency! Zachary Metoyer 8th ward Centra Oh, get a grip, Zachary. Do you honestly expect the list manager to cross verify every statement made about someone on this list, especially about public persons such as yourself? Thank you for posting this message, however, because it so clearly reveals the nature of your character. Bellicosely threatening anyone and everyone with legal action certainly sounds like something from the mold of Basim Sabri, so I'm no longer surprised to see your name associated with his. I want to thank the creators of this list, the list manager and all of the pariticipants for an eye-opening view under the hood of the machinations and politics in Minneapolis. My characterization and opinion of many people has been greatly modified by what I've learned here. Lots of future votes at the polls have been changed in my household, as well. It's funny how one sometimes finds nuggets of gold in the stinkiest of garbage. Chris Johnson Fulton TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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Thanks for that information Greg. I was at the Ventura Village meeting that David Piehl posted about. In fact, I was called at home by the Secretary of the VV organization. She expressed concern that their meeting had gotten out of control and that Mr. Metoyer and Mr. Basim Sabri were in fact attempting to take over the meeting. She s requested my help. She indicated that police had been called in an effort to calm the turmoil. I immediately went over to the meeting. When I arrived there, the police were already there. While they may not have escorted Mr. Metoyer out of the meeting physically, it was clear in my conversations with the police that they asked him to leave the premises. Barb Lickness Whitter NRP Staff to Ventura Village = Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
