Re: [Mpls] Police Chief Search
Actually if I remember correctly from the news coverage of this issue her family made it very clear they did not want her labelled as mentally ill. Someone correct me if I am wrong but that is how I remember it. I believe she may have had a chemical dependency problem. That does not translate to being mentally ill. Barb Lickness Whittier = Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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I wonder how Russell knows this to be a fact. As there has been only 1 Minneapolis officer shot and killed in the past 10 years, and she was shot by a crazed woman who was not in any gang, this seems unlikely to be true. Or have no gang members moved up in rank in the past 10 years in Minneapolis? In some gangs, gang members that shoot police officers move up in rank or get respected in their gangs because for them, thats one less cop on the streets to bother them. . . . Russell Sasaoka Coon Rapids (Formerly of Loring Park) REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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You forgot to add that I am a Minneapolis Police Reserve officer and worked in the department until the budget cuts... I guess creative journalism works... (Just in case... As a reserve officer with the Minneapolis Police reserve, our uniforms are almost identical to that of the sworn officers, however when I used to live on LaSalle and would have to walk to my vehicle to attend an event (while in uniform), there were still people either drunk, stoned, smoking marijuana, etc... and would see me and continue doing what they were doing.) Begin Original Message I wonder how Russell knows this to be a fact. As there has been only 1 Minneapolis officer shot and killed in the past 10 years, and she was shot by a crazed woman who was not in any gang, this seems unlikely to be true. Or have no gang members moved up in rank in the past 10 years in Minneapolis? In some gangs, gang members that shoot police officers move up in rank or get respected in their gangs because for them, thats one less cop on the streets to bother them. . . . Russell Sasaoka Coon Rapids (Formerly of Loring Park) Russell Sasaoka Coon Rapids (Formerly of Loring Park) Get your free Web-based E-mail at http://www.startribune.com/stribmail REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this issue has already been dealt with, but police officers used to be required to live within the city. Then about ten years ago they (police) went to the legislature and the legislature told the city they could not require police to live within the city. Carpetbagger cops. Time to do whatever it takes at all levels to change the law back. No way should our (public) servants be our masters. A seed of arrogance which has blossomed into chronic police brutality. Who do they think they are? --David Shove Roseville REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Police Chief Search/Poem for Poem
the legislature told the city they could not require police to live within the city. In a message dated 9/20/03 12:38:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carpetbagger cops. Time to do whatever it takes at all levels to change the law back. No way should our (public) servants be our masters. A seed of arrogance which has blossomed into chronic police brutality. Who do they think they are? --David Shove Roseville Keith says; Haiku of arrogance; speaks of arrogance. Carpetbagging by commute? Roadway or cyberspace; Roseville is Roseville. Who do you think you are? Keith Reitman NearNorth REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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I had a similar experience with a Minneapolis police officer at a social occasion earlier this summer. He told me that several years ago he bought land and built a house almost halfway up to (Lake) MilleLac to get away from all that city crap. When I asked him why he lives so far away from the city he works in he said that he hated Minneapolis but he loved being a police officer and that Minneapolis is where all the action is and that he would be bored as a rural, suburban or small town police officer. He also said that you couldnt pay me enough to live in Minneapolis or St. Paul. I found his attitude very demeaning. I dont think it is possible or necessarily important to have officers living inside city limits; I certainly dont begrudge Minneapolis police officers of firefighters from living in Richfield, or St. Louis Park or Robbinsdale or any other close in suburb. I do question the motives of one who decides to pick up an move away from the metro area however. Jim Bernstein Fulton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ken bradley Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:34 PM To: McGreevy, James A., III; Dooley, Bill; Discuss Minneapolis (E-mail) Subject: [Mpls] Police Chief Search Hello Minneapolis Folks: The Mayor and Council have anexcellent opportunity to hire a Chief thatwill work to make the department reflect the population it serves. The city must find a Chief from within or outside the department that has such qualities, and with such leadership we may begin to have officers that decide live in the city they serve. I wish more officers would choose to live in the city they receive a pay check from. It is hard to take officers seriously when they live in Wisconson or Elk River. I still can't believe that a Minneapolis Police Officer said to me, If you don't like it (crime), why do you live here? That is like telling a customer unhappy with their food at a restaurant if you don't like the it, why do you eat here? I doubt a restaurant owner would keep such an employee around very long and we don't need officers with that same attitude working in our city. Respectfully, Ken Bradley Corcoran Neighborhood Ken Bradley Corcoran Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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Dennis Plante Responds: Maybe the answer is not to require officers to live within the City limits, but to incentivize their pay for doing so. A long time ago, I lived in a remote town in South Central AK (Cordova). No roads in, no roads out. If you wanted to go elsewhere (even for the day), you had to either fly, or take a boat. I worked for a large PNP hatchery Corporation as its purchasing logistics director. The Corporation I worked for was smart enough to realize that it was important to the citizens of the community to have the corporate staff living in Cordova, although for many of the positions, it wasn't required (we also had offices in Anchorage). Their answer - a housing stipend. There's no doubt in my mind that having a MPD officer living on my block would probably increase the livability. However, they'd probably never have any time for themselves, even when they weren't working. However, if one were willing to do so, it would probably be a wise investment (on the oart of the City) for a few hundred dollars a month, as I'm sure the drug dealing, gambling and other various and assorted activities would cease. Dennis Plante Jordan Jim Writes: I had a similar experience with a Minneapolis police officer at a social occasion earlier this summer. He told me that several years ago he bought land and built a house almost halfway up to (Lake) MilleLac to get away from all that city crap. When I asked him why he lives so far away from the city he works in he said that he hated Minneapolis but he loved being a police officer and that Minneapolis is where all the action is and that he would be bored as a rural, suburban or small town police officer. He also said that you couldn't pay me enough to live in Minneapolis or St. Paul. I found his attitude very demeaning. I don't think it is possible or necessarily important to have officers living inside city limits; I certainly don't begrudge Minneapolis police officers of firefighters from living in Richfield, or St. Louis Park or Robbinsdale or any other close in suburb. I do question the motives of one who decides to pick up an move away from the metro area however. Jim Bernstein Fulton _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Police Chief Search/In it for The Long Haul
In a message dated 9/19/03 6:08:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had a similar experience with a Minneapolis police officer at a social occasion earlier this summer. He told me that several years ago he bought land and built a house almost halfway up to (Lake) MilleLac to get away from all that city crap. When I asked him why he lives so far away from the city he works in he said that he hated Minneapolis but he loved being a police officer and that Minneapolis is where all the action is and that he would be bored as a rural, suburban or small town police officer. He also said that you couldn't pay me enough to live in Minneapolis or St. Paul. Keith says; Amazing. I too had such a conversation with a Mpls. cop. Incredibly, he had built his home in Canada. When I asked him why he said he hated America. Also, his dollars went farther up there, and he enjoyed the fresh air along the North Shore during his daily commute. He told me one of his buddies on the force lives in Mexico (near Guatemala!!). The guy hates cold weather; I was told. (He must be the cop that never gets out of his squad car). He is able to make it cost effective by picking up Mexican hitchhikers headed this way. Bonus: He is able to ride in the sane-lane on the Northbound leg of the commute. Keith Reitman NearNorth REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Police Chief Search
In a message dated 9/19/2003 8:08:43 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think it is possible or necessarily important to have officers living inside city limits; I certainly dont begrudge Minneapolis police officers of firefighters from living in Richfield, or St. Louis Park or Robbinsdale or any other close in suburb. I do question the motives of one who decides to pick up an move away from the metro area however. Perhaps this issue has already been dealt with, but police officers used to be required to live within the city. Then about ten years ago they (police) went to the legislature and the legislature told the city they could not require police to live within the city. Karen Collier Linden Hills
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Giving officers incentives or requiring them to live in the city that they work in is a good idea, however it may not have as much as an impact as you may think. As a reserve officer with the Minneapolis Police reserve, our uniforms are almost identical to that of the sworn officers, however when I used to live on LaSalle and would have to walk to my vehicle to attend an event (while in uniform), there were still people either drunk, stoned, smoking marijuana, etc... and would see me and continue doing what they were doing. In most cases, my vehicle was targeted by thieves because they figured that they could steal my uniform, vest, equipment and or gun (reserve officers are not allowed to carry firearms by law). As a matter of fact, I was approached by some idiot and asked to party one night. Also, gang members would watch me and was sure that they knew where I lived. In some gangs, gang members that shoot police officers move up in rank or get respected in their gangs because for them, thats one less cop on the streets to bother them. Also for Officers with families, gang members will target the wives or children just to get at an officer. This is not an excuse, nor am I being a defeatest about the problem. Russell Sasaoka Coon Rapids (Formerly of Loring Park) Get your free Web-based E-mail at http://www.startribune.com/stribmail REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
