RE: [Mpls] Samuels will fast until more beat cops walk Jordan
List, The key variable missed in the Star Tribune story is that Council Member Samuels called for the beat cop goal to be met not through the further stretching of limited City of Minneapolis resources, but through a coordinated approach using Park, Transit, University, County and State law enforcement professionals. This is precisely the type of innovative local leadership that Pawlenty calls for. That does not however remove Pawlenty from responsibility for the role he must play to support that to happen. Joseph Barisonzi Willard-Hay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of List Manager Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Samuels will fast until more beat cops walk Jordan Wants five 24-hour-a-day patrols. Police say that means 35 officers - more than an entire 4th Precinct shift. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4019359.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Barisonzi;Joseph FN:Joseph Barisonzi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:CommunityLeader.com TITLE:Community Knowledge Specialist TEL;WORK;VOICE:612-518-5536 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20021022T222414Z END:VCARD
Re: [Mpls] Samuels will fast until more beat cops walk Jordan
Joe has an excelent point, esp when it comes to the U of M supplying a some police resources. We can all remember the problems with the hockey team riots. Besides that, the year round expenses incurred by the city policing around the campus and U of M events. Since the Univ school yet doesn't start for a few more weeks, I cannot see any reason the U can't reassign several officers over here to help out. Since all Univ land and bldgs are tax-exempt, it would certainly be a way for the campus to be a good neighbor with a bit of community outreach to the city. Perhaps Mr Zirby can help with this idea. By the way, lasttime I checked, the U of M had about 60 full-time cops and they got paid more than Mpls cops. Anne McCandless Jordan TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Samuels will fast until more beat cops walk Jordan
I find a fair amount of irony in the fact that the State doesn't seem to see the wisdom in stepping-up to the plate in assisting Don Samuels and the community of Jordan. It might be interesting to find-out (from the State) exactly what constitutes a problem worthy of more attention than just telling local leaders that times are tough and to be more creative in their efforts. A small rural town gets hit with a tornado and Pawlenty's on the scene, surveying damage and pledging support. An inner-city neighborhood is blighted by drugs and gang-violence, a large percentage of which COMES to our neighborhood FROM the suburbs, and we need to be more creative with what we have. I just don't get it. As long as we're on the subject. It was mentioned that Don Samuels request of 5 foot-patrol officers, 24/7 would actually entail 35 full-time officers (more than we have on patrol at peak-time in the 4th precinct). I think it's time for the joint law-enforcement entities (that have jurisdiction in the State), to come together and be more creative. Doing the math, 5 officers 24/7 comes to 840 patrol hrs/week. If 35 officers work 35 hrs/week, this comes to 1225 man/hours, or 146% of actual staffing. Lastly, and this makes absolutely no sense to me if it's true, I've heard that the police officer jobs saved from the proposed cuts came, to some degree, at the expense of the transcriptionist positions (administrative) within the department. The net result, now the arresting officers (not the most proficient typists) now have to spend 2-3 hours booking and arrest and typing the reports, where it used to the transcriptionists a fraction of the time. So yes, we saved the jobs, and effectively turned our police force into part-time transcriptionists. Dennis Plante Jordan _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Samuels will fast until more beat cops walk Jordan
It has always been my belief that tough times (as our governor so readily admits we're facing), brings-out the very best, and the very worst in leaders. I commend Don Samuels for both his personal and professional dedication to what SHOULD be viewed as a very serious issues in our State, crime, gangs and poverty. My analogy for the action thus far (from the State) on this issue is similar to the action of the leaders (the crew responsible) when the passenger vessel M/V Andrea Doris was sinking some thirty-five years ago. The got their butts in life perservers and off the ship first and said to hell with the passengers. Hardly the leadership we need at this juncture. Dennis Plante Jordan _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
