Automated dialing
Many thanks to Mr. Pierson for posting the statute regarding automated dialing, but a correction is necessary regarding illegality. The statute is primarily intended for commercial marketing purposes, not restriction of free speech expression. I doubt the statute meets a constitutional test on the free speech doctrine, let alone the jurisdictional question for President. US Senate or Congress. He may have a point for state races, but then again, there's that nagging free speech doctrine. Most candidates who were warned about this have decided to go ahead anyway, primarily because of this basic constitutional protection. In any event, I have done this type of calling myself in past campaigns, and it is very cost effective. It is particularly good if run during the day, when people are not home. The recorded message left on voice mail or answering machines can not be discerned as anything less than an actual call. Interestingly, though it was the DFL party and DFL Atty. General Mike Hatch who complained to the Foley (4th CD) Campaign about the Ventura calls a few weeks ago, it is the DFL that is making calls from "President Clinton" and "Al Gore" throughout the Metro and in particular, Minneapolis. Steve Minn -- From: "Darren Pierson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, Nov 6, 2000, 12:55 PM These automated dialing calls are against the law. I think many campaigns have been advised to cease this activity, but obviously it's continuing with others. Here is the statute number and web site to view the actual language... Be advised, if your campaign is taking part in this activity, they are breaking the law... 325E.27 http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/325E/27.html Cheers! Darren Pierson St. Paul-Ward 1 From: "R.T.Rybak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:39:43 -0600 I just got a call from Jesse Ventura. Well, actually it was a RECORDED call...on behalf of the Independence legislative candidate in my area. I found it interesting that the Indepdence Party is working harder in this race, it seems, than the Republicans. I also saw evidence of that this weekend when I was leafleting for Neva Walker, and found lots of Independence literature on doorsteps...but none for Republicans. It is list-appropriate to ask what other tactics people are seeing to turn out city voters? R.T. Rybak East Harriet. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: Automated dialing
One legal scholar close to a federal case on this point,indicated that the typical voice mail/answering machine message: "please leave a message at the tone..." constitutes permission to do so by the automated calling device. In any event...for federal office, the MN Sp.Ct. does not apply. Steve Minn -- From: "Darren Pierson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Automated dialing Date: Mon, Nov 6, 2000, 2:05 PM All list members, and especially Minneapolis voters that receive these calls (In an effort to keep this Mpls specific, List-Manager) need to know that the Minnesota State Supreme Court upheld the ruling that even for political purposes, there has to be a live person on the line before the tape-recorded voice message starts to play. In no way is it an attepmt to restrict free-speech, it simply gives the person answering the call the opportunity to deny it. It's more of a choice issue than a freem speech issue. Personally, it's lazy campaigning... Cheers! Darren Pierson St. Paul-Ward 1 From: "Steve Minn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Automated dialing Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:51:48 -0600 Many thanks to Mr. Pierson for posting the statute regarding automated dialing, but a correction is necessary regarding illegality. The statute is primarily intended for commercial marketing purposes, not restriction of free speech expression. I doubt the statute meets a constitutional test on the free speech doctrine, let alone the jurisdictional question for President. US Senate or Congress. He may have a point for state races, but then again, there's that nagging free speech doctrine. Most candidates who were warned about this have decided to go ahead anyway, primarily because of this basic constitutional protection. In any event, I have done this type of calling myself in past campaigns, and it is very cost effective. It is particularly good if run during the day, when people are not home. The recorded message left on voice mail or answering machines can not be discerned as anything less than an actual call. Interestingly, though it was the DFL party and DFL Atty. General Mike Hatch who complained to the Foley (4th CD) Campaign about the Ventura calls a few weeks ago, it is the DFL that is making calls from "President Clinton" and "Al Gore" throughout the Metro and in particular, Minneapolis. Steve Minn -- From: "Darren Pierson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, Nov 6, 2000, 12:55 PM These automated dialing calls are against the law. I think many campaigns have been advised to cease this activity, but obviously it's continuing with others. Here is the statute number and web site to view the actual language... Be advised, if your campaign is taking part in this activity, they are breaking the law... 325E.27 http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/325E/27.html Cheers! Darren Pierson St. Paul-Ward 1 From: "R.T.Rybak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:39:43 -0600 I just got a call from Jesse Ventura. Well, actually it was a RECORDED call...on behalf of the Independence legislative candidate in my area. I found it interesting that the Indepdence Party is working harder in this race, it seems, than the Republicans. I also saw evidence of that this weekend when I was leafleting for Neva Walker, and found lots of Independence literature on doorsteps...but none for Republicans. It is list-appropriate to ask what other tactics people are seeing to turn out city voters? R.T. Rybak East Harriet. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: Automated dialing
"The recorded message left on voice mail or answering machines can not be discerned as anything less than an actual call." Whatever else you can say about it, this hasn't been my experience. I got calls from the DFL, AFSCME, and VP Al Gore himself over the past week. The Gore one was the best quality, though obviously recorded. Even given that my answering machine isn't the best around, the other 2 were unintelligible, mostly because the speaker spoke fast and quietly. Truly a waste of time and, if these were paid workers, of money.
RE: Automated dialing
I "received" TWO calls from Barbara Bush last night!!! Maybe it's just outside the City limits phones that get that call! -Original Message- From: Steve Minn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 1:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Automated dialing Many thanks to Mr. Pierson for posting the statute regarding automated dialing, but a correction is necessary regarding illegality. The statute is primarily intended for commercial marketing purposes, not restriction of free speech expression. I doubt the statute meets a constitutional test on the free speech doctrine, let alone the jurisdictional question for President. US Senate or Congress. He may have a point for state races, but then again, there's that nagging free speech doctrine. Most candidates who were warned about this have decided to go ahead anyway, primarily because of this basic constitutional protection. In any event, I have done this type of calling myself in past campaigns, and it is very cost effective. It is particularly good if run during the day, when people are not home. The recorded message left on voice mail or answering machines can not be discerned as anything less than an actual call. Interestingly, though it was the DFL party and DFL Atty. General Mike Hatch who complained to the Foley (4th CD) Campaign about the Ventura calls a few weeks ago, it is the DFL that is making calls from "President Clinton" and "Al Gore" throughout the Metro and in particular, Minneapolis. Steve Minn -- From: "Darren Pierson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, Nov 6, 2000, 12:55 PM These automated dialing calls are against the law. I think many campaigns have been advised to cease this activity, but obviously it's continuing with others. Here is the statute number and web site to view the actual language... Be advised, if your campaign is taking part in this activity, they are breaking the law... 325E.27 http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/325E/27.html Cheers! Darren Pierson St. Paul-Ward 1 From: "R.T.Rybak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jessie knows my number! Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:39:43 -0600 I just got a call from Jesse Ventura. Well, actually it was a RECORDED call...on behalf of the Independence legislative candidate in my area. I found it interesting that the Indepdence Party is working harder in this race, it seems, than the Republicans. I also saw evidence of that this weekend when I was leafleting for Neva Walker, and found lots of Independence literature on doorsteps...but none for Republicans. It is list-appropriate to ask what other tactics people are seeing to turn out city voters? R.T. Rybak East Harriet. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
