Re: Why does some list software not honor the headers? (was ... Re: People want ...)

2013-03-10 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Alexander Dahl p...@lespocky.de [03-10-13 04:44]:
 On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 10:33:03AM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
   P.S.: and I have to get my mutt macros fixed, some hook changed my
   from address here after I replied on another mailing list … m( *lol*
  
  FWIW:
  
 send-hook . set from=your@emailaddy
 
 I have this line in my send hooks:
 
 send-hook ~C ^netz39.*@lists\\.netz39\\.de$ my_hdr From: Alexander Dahl 
 a...@netz39.de
 
 Where do I put the one above, before or after? What does it actually
 do and why does it not affect my send hook itself?

You set the default send-hook . ... first as send-hook is set on the
*last* match when parsing the config file.  Since you only had one
send-hook, after it first matched, it remained matched until you reset
it by restarting mutt.  The send-hook . ... matches everything so the
second send-hook will not be matched unless it is triggered by the
conditions specified, and *only* for the instances where it matches.  The
default, send-hook . ..., will be triggered on the next pass thru the
config file.

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mutt shows wrong key generation date in key selection menu

2013-03-10 Thread Gregor Zattler
Dear mutt users,

since a few days mutt shows wrong PGP key generation dates.  Does
anyone have the same problem?


If  setting pgp_entry_format  is set to

%4n %t%f %4l/0x%k %-4a %2c %u %[%F]

mutt shows the key generation date in iso
format as the last entry in each listted key.

I configured mutt to show the dates and present the keys sorted
according to date, in order to easily find the newest key.

But since a few days mutt shows wrong dates.  See attached screen
shot which clearly show key generation dates which predate public
key encryption.  You may download the shown keys from a key
server and check there dates...

This is strange since mutt extracts these infos from gpg
--with-colons --list-keys command which shows the dates as
seconds since the epoch.  I checked the output of the gpg
command: the dates seem fine (there is a date for every uid but
none of the dates is form 1954 or 1963).  Therefore I conclude
that mutt misinterprets the output of gpg.  But I don't have a
clue why?


Any ideas/help?

Ciao, Gregor
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setting from address on mailing lists (Was: Why does some list software not honor the headers?)

2013-03-10 Thread Alexander Dahl
Hei hei, 

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 07:59:01AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
  send-hook . set from=your@emailaddy
  
  I have this line in my send hooks:
  
  send-hook ~C ^netz39.*@lists\\.netz39\\.de$ my_hdr From: Alexander Dahl 
  a...@netz39.de
  
  Where do I put the one above, before or after? What does it actually
  do and why does it not affect my send hook itself?
 
 You set the default send-hook . ... first as send-hook is set on the
 *last* match when parsing the config file.  Since you only had one
 send-hook, after it first matched, it remained matched until you reset
 it by restarting mutt.  The send-hook . ... matches everything so the
 second send-hook will not be matched unless it is triggered by the
 conditions specified, and *only* for the instances where it matches.  The
 default, send-hook . ..., will be triggered on the next pass thru the
 config file.

This would work for those mailing lists, but there's another problem.
After defining my send-hooks in a file I include like this:

source ~/.mutt/send-hooks

I set some more options:

set reverse_name
set realname= 'Alexander Dahl'
set from= p...@lespocky.de
set use_from= yes
alternates lespo...@web.de|a...@netz39.de|a...@eisfair.org

Now my previously defined send hook

send-hook . my_hdr From: Alexander Dahl p...@lespocky.de

results in p...@lespocky.de being my from address every time where I
could just reply and mutt chose my mail address I got the mail to as
new from address for my reply. Is it possible to restore this
behaviour without dropping the default send-hook and without having
to write a send-hook for each and every mailing list? 

Or: can mutt somehow detect my mail address where I get the mail to on
mailing lists and set it as from address when using (list) reply as it
works without mailing lists where my address is directly in To or Cc?
This is why I wrote the first send-hook, it's exactly one mailing list
where I use another address but mutt didn't recognize this.

Bonus question while we're at it: I wrote my mutt config some years
ago, why would I have wanted to use 'my_hdr From:
n...@example.com' instead of 'set from=n...@example.com'?

Greets
Alex

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Re: setting from address on mailing lists (Was: Why does some list software not honor the headers?)

2013-03-10 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Alexander Dahl p...@lespocky.de [03-10-13 13:08]:
 Hei hei, 
 
 On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 07:59:01AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
   send-hook . set from=your@emailaddy
   
   I have this line in my send hooks:
   
   send-hook ~C ^netz39.*@lists\\.netz39\\.de$ my_hdr From: Alexander 
   Dahl a...@netz39.de
   
   Where do I put the one above, before or after? What does it actually
   do and why does it not affect my send hook itself?
  
  You set the default send-hook . ... first as send-hook is set on the
  *last* match when parsing the config file.  Since you only had one
  send-hook, after it first matched, it remained matched until you reset
  it by restarting mutt.  The send-hook . ... matches everything so the
  second send-hook will not be matched unless it is triggered by the
  conditions specified, and *only* for the instances where it matches.  The
  default, send-hook . ..., will be triggered on the next pass thru the
  config file.
 
 This would work for those mailing lists, but there's another problem.
 After defining my send-hooks in a file I include like this:
 
 source ~/.mutt/send-hooks
 
 I set some more options:
 
 set reverse_name
 set realname= 'Alexander Dahl'
 set from= p...@lespocky.de
 set use_from= yes
 alternates lespo...@web.de|a...@netz39.de|a...@eisfair.org
 
 Now my previously defined send hook
 
 send-hook . my_hdr From: Alexander Dahl p...@lespocky.de
 
 results in p...@lespocky.de being my from address every time where I
 could just reply and mutt chose my mail address I got the mail to as
 new from address for my reply. Is it possible to restore this
 behaviour without dropping the default send-hook and without having
 to write a send-hook for each and every mailing list? 

By setting the send-hook, my_hdr From:...? as the default, you told mutt
to use that for everything that is not matched otherwise

My default send-hook is: 
   send-hook . unmy_hdr From:
now set from us used unless I have another send-hook definied that
matches a particular condition.
 
 Or: can mutt somehow detect my mail address where I get the mail to on
 mailing lists and set it as from address when using (list) reply as it
 works without mailing lists where my address is directly in To or Cc?
 This is why I wrote the first send-hook, it's exactly one mailing list
 where I use another address but mutt didn't recognize this.

set reverse_name
set from = p...@lespocky.de
set use_from
alternates   

send-hook . unmy_hdr From:
send-hook condition my_hdr From: your_choice


Now when you reply, mutt will use the name in the To: field to determine
which From: addr to assign, unless condition is met and then use
your_choice
 
 Bonus question while we're at it: I wrote my mutt config some years
 ago, why would I have wanted to use 'my_hdr From:
 n...@example.com' instead of 'set from=n...@example.com'?

Indeed, why would you have?

send-hook . set from = addr_of_your_choosing
send-hook condition set from = another_addr
// not tested or researched //

is there more than one way to skin a cat?
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