Re: Mailing list replies
On Sonntag, 16. Dez. 2001 at 12:12:12, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: When you are sending mails to an lists address both the list and your address are in the MFT header, when sending to an subscribed address only the list address is in the MFT header. Hello Nicolas, this is not correct. When you only take the list command, mutt don't generate a Mail-Followup-To header. With subscribe it will generate it. When you don't want your adress in the Mail-Followup-To header, you must have this in your .muttrc: -snip--- set followup_to unset metoo -snip--- In the manual there is in the section 6.3.50. followup_to the following explanation: --snip-- Controls whether or not the Mail-Followup-To header field is generated when sending mail. When set, Mutt will generate this field when you are replying to a known mailing list, specified with the ``subscribe'' or lists commands. --snip-- Hth Michael -- Registred Linux-User: 183712 GnuPG Key: B3F038DC GnuPG-fingerprint: 21A7 B384 6629 F320 8AFC A2B5 4071 E5C3 B3F0 38DC
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 02:28:09PM +, Thomas Hurst wrote: * Benjamin Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:53:27AM +0200, Jussi Ekholm wrote: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -clip- It can get long, huh? :-) Not when you generate it automatically. I have about 4 lines for 45 lists :) The originator of this thread also does this, since his setup is based on the same stuff mine is :) I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? lists instructs mutt that a certain address is a mailing list, subscribe tells it you are actually *on* that mailing list; without subscribe, the Mail-Followup-To header is set so you get replies as well as the list, so you can track threads from messages you send to a list you're not on. While we're on the subject of the difference of subscribe and lists, can anybody tell me how to get the functionality of subscribe (I.E. Mail-Followup-To set correctly), but still show the sender instead of the listname in the From-field in the mailbox-index? (I'm sure there is a dead-easy solution that I've missed in the manual) -- Andreas D Landmark / noXtension God is the tangential point between zero and infinity. -- Alfred Jarry
Re: Mailing list replies
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:36:49 +0100 From: Andreas Landmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailing list replies While we're on the subject of the difference of subscribe and lists, can anybody tell me how to get the functionality of subscribe (I.E. Mail-Followup-To set correctly), but still show the sender instead of the listname in the From-field in the mailbox-index? I guess you're looking for manual-6.html#index_format, specifically the %F expando. (The default value of $index_format contains %L instead, the list address -- you don't need to see it in the index when all the trafic from the list ends up in this folder. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 4:41PM up 3:36, 7 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:36:49PM +0100, Andreas Landmark wrote: While we're on the subject of the difference of subscribe and lists, can anybody tell me how to get the functionality of subscribe (I.E. Mail-Followup-To set correctly), but still show the sender instead of the listname in the From-field in the mailbox-index? use %F instead of %L in your index_format. -ben
Re: Mailing list replies
* Andreas Landmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [17-12-2001 16:21]: | While we're on the subject of the difference of subscribe and lists, can | anybody tell me how to get the functionality of subscribe (I.E. | Mail-Followup-To set correctly), but still show the sender instead of | the listname in the From-field in the mailbox-index? | | (I'm sure there is a dead-easy solution that I've missed in the manual) There is ;) check out $index_format: by default, it contains %L (list-from); if you replace this by %F, it will show the author name instead of the list name. Except, of course, if the message is *from* you: in that case, it contains the recipient. HTH, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Definition of Atheism: a non-prophet organization. msg21678/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:36:49PM +0100, Andreas Landmark wrote: While we're on the subject of the difference of subscribe and lists, can anybody tell me how to get the functionality of subscribe (I.E. Mail-Followup-To set correctly), but still show the sender instead of the listname in the From-field in the mailbox-index? One useful (default) keybinding is @ which tells you the From: header in the status bar. (I'm sure there is a dead-easy solution that I've missed in the manual) -- Andreas D Landmark / noXtension God is the tangential point between zero and infinity. -- Alfred Jarry -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg21696/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list replies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder, what option in my .muttrc shall I use to make mutt reply lists like mutt-users properly, i.e. set To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], not To: user_who_sent_original@message. I compiled my .muttrc of several example configs available on the net, but mostly it is derived from http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/downloads/dot.muttrc. Perhaps it should be not To:, but Cc/Bcc: - I don't know. Or maybee mutt shall use To:, Mail-Followup-To: or Sender: header fields to get mailing list address - no ideas here. You need to put the following line in your ~/.muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, when you want to reply to a message, that belongs to a mailing list (you can define all your mailing lists just the same way), use 'L' (list_reply) instead of 'R'. So, just add all your mailing lists to your ~/.muttrc (or a ~/.mutt/mailinglists in my case) and now Mutt recognizes all the messages originating from an address you have specified with 'subscribe'. Mine, for example, looks like this: -clip- subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -clip- It can get long, huh? :-) -- Jussi Ekholm, Everything is so fine it could be a spineless jelly. don't let your mind take you in misery [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the feelings you're not so much pleased http://ekhowl.goa-head.org they're just to take you to sweet harmony
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:53:27AM +0200, Jussi Ekholm wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder, what option in my .muttrc shall I use to make mutt reply lists like mutt-users properly, i.e. set To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], not To: user_who_sent_original@message. I compiled my .muttrc of several example configs available on the net, but mostly it is derived from http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/downloads/dot.muttrc. Perhaps it should be not To:, but Cc/Bcc: - I don't know. Or maybee mutt shall use To:, Mail-Followup-To: or Sender: header fields to get mailing list address - no ideas here. You need to put the following line in your ~/.muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, when you want to reply to a message, that belongs to a mailing list (you can define all your mailing lists just the same way), use 'L' (list_reply) instead of 'R'. So, just add all your mailing lists to your ~/.muttrc (or a ~/.mutt/mailinglists in my case) and now Mutt recognizes all the messages originating from an address you have specified with 'subscribe'. Mine, for example, looks like this: -clip- subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -clip- It can get long, huh? :-) -- Jussi Ekholm, Everything is so fine it could be a spineless jelly. don't let your mind take you in misery [EMAIL PROTECTED]all the feelings you're not so much pleased http://ekhowl.goa-head.org they're just to take you to sweet harmony I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg21632/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list replies
Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? I really don't know the difference, either - I've just always used subscribe. And indeed - could someone point out the differences between 'lists' and 'subscribe'? -- Jussi Ekholm, Everything is so fine it could be a spineless jelly. don't let your mind take you in misery [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the feelings you're not so much pleased http://ekhowl.goa-head.org they're just to take you to sweet harmony
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:18:57AM +, Benjamin Smith wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep, same thing here. I just added both subscribe and lists line - hopefully it works but I'd be glad if someone could tell me the difference. -- Oleg Kourapov | Linux user #245698 http://counter.li.org Moscow, RU| LFS user #1212 http://www.linuxfromscratch.org -- Yesterday is a memory. Tomorrow is the unknown. Now is the knowing. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GTW d- s+: a-- C UL++ P+ L+++ E--- W+++ N++ o-- K++ w-- O M- V- PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP++ t 5++ X++ R tv- b+++ DI+ D G e* h! r y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- msg21634/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 10:18:57AM +, Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? AFAIK is the main difference in the generated Mail-Followup-To: headers. When you are sending mails to an lists address both the list and your address are in the MFT header, when sending to an subscribed address only the list address is in the MFT header. Nicolas
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sonntag, 16. Dez. 2001 at 10:18:57, Benjamin Smith wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? Hello Benjamin, from the mutt-help: ---snip--- Additionally, when you send a message to a subscribed list, mutt will ^^ add a Mail-Followup-To header to tell other users' mail user agents ^ not to send copies of replies to your personal address. ---snip--- Hth Michael -- Registred Linux-User: 183712 GnuPG Key: B3F038DC GnuPG-fingerprint: 21A7 B384 6629 F320 8AFC A2B5 4071 E5C3 B3F0 38DC
Re: Mailing list replies
* Benjamin Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:53:27AM +0200, Jussi Ekholm wrote: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -clip- It can get long, huh? :-) Not when you generate it automatically. I have about 4 lines for 45 lists :) The originator of this thread also does this, since his setup is based on the same stuff mine is :) I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? lists instructs mutt that a certain address is a mailing list, subscribe tells it you are actually *on* that mailing list; without subscribe, the Mail-Followup-To header is set so you get replies as well as the list, so you can track threads from messages you send to a list you're not on. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:25:21PM +0100, Michael Wagner wrote: On Sonntag, 16. Dez. 2001 at 10:18:57, Benjamin Smith wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? Hello Benjamin, from the mutt-help: ---snip--- Additionally, when you send a message to a subscribed list, mutt will ^^ add a Mail-Followup-To header to tell other users' mail user agents ^ not to send copies of replies to your personal address. ---snip--- Hth Michael Thanks, I must not have read the manual carefully enough. (Apologies for the off list copy Michael, I only spotted in the sendmail -q -vvv output) -- Registred Linux-User: 183712 GnuPG Key: B3F038DC GnuPG-fingerprint: 21A7 B384 6629 F320 8AFC A2B5 4071 E5C3 B3F0 38DC -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg21641/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list replies
Benjamin Smith wrote: I've never really understood the difference between using 'subscribe' and 'lists' to specify a mailing list. I've just looked in the manual and it does seems to have anything enlightening in it so, could someone perhaps clarify it for me? i was confused about this for a while too (the whole mailing list thing took quite a while to make sense to me - i don't think it's explained that clearly in the manual). but being 'subscribed' to a list means that you are on the list, so a 'Mail-Followup-To' will be set to the list's address. OTOH if you're not 'subscribed' to any of the lists you're posting to, but you 'know' them (ie they're defined as 'lists'), the 'Mail-Followup-To' header will get set to your address and the lists. this is generally irrelevant since most peoples' mail clients down follow this header (and most people don't read it either), but in the best of all possible worlds this would be useful. note that subscribing to a list also makes it a 'known' list, but recognizing a list doesn't make one subscribed to it. you should usually do one or the other, but not both. -- Experience -- a great teacher, but the tutition fees...
Re: Mailing list replies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder, what option in my .muttrc shall I use to make mutt reply lists like mutt-users properly, i.e. set To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], not To: user_who_sent_original@message. I compiled my .muttrc of several example configs available on the net, but mostly it is derived from http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/downloads/dot.muttrc. Perhaps it should be not To:, but Cc/Bcc: - I don't know. Or maybee mutt shall use To:, Mail-Followup-To: or Sender: header fields to get mailing list address - no ideas here. it looks like you already have this list listed as 'subscribed', since you have set the mail-followup-to header properly - that's all you have to do. but you need to hit 'list-reply' (bound to 'L' by default) instead of 'reply' in order to reply to the list. all you need is something like this: ## [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe mutt-users (which like i said, it looks like you probably already have). HTH; let me know if i'm misunderstanding your problem. -- Experience -- a great teacher, but the tutition fees...
Re: Mailing list replies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's subscribed, here is a part of my .muttrc: lists `cd ~/mail/lists echo *` subscribe `cd ~/mail/lists echo *` mailboxes `for file in ~/mail/lists/*; do echo -n +lists/$(basename $file) ; done` you don't need both - a subscribed list is also 'known'. however you should add lists you're not subscribed to to 'lists' so that the mail-folloup-to header will be generated properly then. -- Experience -- a great teacher, but the tutition fees...
Re: Mailing list replies
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:55:14PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: it looks like you already have this list listed as 'subscribed', since you have set the mail-followup-to header properly - that's all you have to do. but you need to hit 'list-reply' (bound to 'L' by default) instead of 'reply' in order to reply to the list. Yep, now I got it right, thnx. That's just because I'm subscribed to another mail list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) using Listar (it has different header format) and when I want to post a reply, I can press 'r', it will set To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] line properly. Now I see that list-reply thingie in help. all you need is something like this: ## [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe mutt-users (which like i said, it looks like you probably already have). Yes, it's subscribed, here is a part of my .muttrc: lists `cd ~/mail/lists echo *` subscribe `cd ~/mail/lists echo *` mailboxes `for file in ~/mail/lists/*; do echo -n +lists/$(basename $file) ; done` I save all messages from different mail lists to separate mailboxes in my ~/mail/lists directory using procmail, so I don't have to change anything when I subscribe or unsubscribe - cool, huh :) -- Oleg Kourapov | Linux user #245698 http://counter.li.org Moscow, RU| LFS user #1212 http://www.linuxfromscratch.org -- Yesterday is a memory. Tomorrow is the unknown. Now is the knowing. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GTW d- s+: a-- C UL++ P+ L+++ E--- W+++ N++ o-- K++ w-- O M- V- PS+ PE+++ Y+ PGP++ t 5++ X++ R tv- b+++ DI+ D G e* h! r y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- msg21630/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailing list replies...what about?
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 04:14:24PM -0800, Robert Sweet wrote: On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Robert Sweet wrote: [snip...] What about cc: to the poster too? If the poster is subscribed to the list, s/he probably doesn't want to receive two copies of the mail; your (L)ist reply will suffice. If the poster /isn't/ subscribed, then hopefully s/he is using the Mail-Followup-To header correctly: the MFT header will contain both the list address *and* the poster's address. Mutt will address the reply to all addresses in the MFT header. If you notice that the original message [to which you are replying] doesn't include a Mail-Followup-To header but does include a Reply-To header, you might take the chance of CCing the poster. Generally, though, if the message doesn't say something like "Please CC me, as I'm not subscribed to the list", then don't CC. -thl
Re: mailing list replies...
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Robert Sweet wrote: What is the correct syntax for adding mailing list replies? When I hit L, I get no mailing list found. I am on several mailing list mutt/suse-linux-e/suse-security/proftpd. I read the faq and man page, but didn't find any info. tia. See section 3.9 of the mutt manual. Briefly, you should add to your .muttrc file the line looks like the following: subscribe list for example: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WBR WBW, Vitaly.
Re: mailing list replies...
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Robert Sweet wrote: What is the correct syntax for adding mailing list replies? When I hit L, I get no mailing list found. I am on several mailing list mutt/suse-linux-e/suse-security/proftpd. I read the faq and man page, but didn't find any info. tia. Make sure you have the subscribe command in you .muttrc. For example: subscribe mutt- suse- proftpd This will match the lists you mentioned. See the manual for more info. I have a quick (and somewhat related) question for the list... What's the difference between subscribed addresses and ones that are just known as mailing lists (i.e., what practical difference does it make if I use lists vs subscribe in my .muttrc)? -- Luke
Re: mailing list replies...
Luke Ravitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 08 Nov 2000: I have a quick (and somewhat related) question for the list... What's the difference between subscribed addresses and ones that are just known as mailing lists (i.e., what practical difference does it make if I use lists vs subscribe in my .muttrc)? When you send mail to a known mailing list, Mutt will include a Mail-Followup-To (MFT) header, if you have MFT's enabled ($followup_to). If you are subscribed, the contents of the header will be only the list address. If you are not subscribed, the header will have both the list address and your own address in it. In replies, the behaviour is a little bit more complex, but the idea is the same. The point of the header is to tell anyone who does a reply to the email where list replies should be sent. If you're subscribed to the list, you don't need a copy sent to you privately, but if you're *not* subscribed to the list, then you do want to get a private copy of any replies. Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / We now return to your regularly scheduled flame-throwing.
Re: mailing list replies...
Robert Sweet muttered: What is the correct syntax for adding mailing list replies? When I hit L, I get no mailing list found. You need to tell mutt to which mailinglists you are subscribe to via the 'subscribe' command. Please see the manual for further reference. HTH, Michael -- Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. PGP-Key: http://www.stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: mailing list replies...what about?
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Robert Sweet wrote: What is the correct syntax for adding mailing list replies? When I hit L, I get no mailing list found. I am on several mailing list mutt/suse-linux-e/suse-security/proftpd. I read the faq and man page, but didn't find any info. tia. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]| "What is the robbing of a bank -o) | compared to the FOUNDING of a Linux, the Choice /\ | bank?" -- Bertold Brecht of a GNU generation _\_v | | What about cc: to the poster too? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]| There's no trick to being a -o) | humorist when you have the Linux, the Choice /\ | whole government working for of a GNU generation _\_v | you. -- Will Rodgers |
