Re: moving to Mutt from Gmail

2011-02-02 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 02:37:18PM +0100, Gregor Zattler wrote:
 Hi Dale, mutt users,
 * Dale A. Raby daler...@gmail.com [25. Dec. 2010]:
  Why not use Gmail's own spam filter to eliminate the spam?  It
  works pretty well and doesn't require you to use or maintain
  SpamAssassin.  Use Mutt with IMAP and the messages will stay on
  the practically limitless storage space of Gmail's server.
 
 He'll then loos control over *his* emails...  On his computer he
 has physical controll over them.

No, he won't. Google firmly believes it's your mail, not theirs. See
http://www.dataliberation.org/google/gmail.

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Re: moving to Mutt from Gmail

2010-12-26 Thread Gregor Zattler
Hi Dale, mutt users,
* Dale A. Raby daler...@gmail.com [25. Dec. 2010]:
 Why not use Gmail's own spam filter to eliminate the spam?  It
 works pretty well and doesn't require you to use or maintain
 SpamAssassin.  Use Mutt with IMAP and the messages will stay on
 the practically limitless storage space of Gmail's server.

He'll then loos control over *his* emails...  On his computer he
has physical controll over them.

Ciao, Gregor
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Re: moving to Mutt from Gmail

2010-12-26 Thread Gregor Zattler
Hi Scott,
* Scott Jones sanch...@gmail.com [25. Dec. 2010]:
 I have MUTT set up and working on my system. I don't use it though
 because 1) the inbox is stuffed with several THOUSAND message through
 which I need to sort and delete the spam and 2) I haven't yet figured
 out how to set up SpamAssassin to filter the junk out. My question:
 can I just copy the current inbox to a backup file and start fresh,
 after getting SA set up and trained, so that I can get all my mail
 from MUTT? 

Yes.  You could tag all messages T ~A and save ;s them in a backup
file (folder).  Then your inbox will be empty.

But if you want to use spamassassin effectively you will have to
constantly train it's filter.  Thus you should have a mechanism
to tell spammassassin if emails which were classified as spams
are actually ham (emails you want to receive) and vice versa.

This can quite easyly done with macros within mutt.


But first the spamassassin setup:

If you use mutt on a recent Linux system you could install
procmail and spamassassin/spamc.  I use spamassassins daemon mode
and filter emails like this in ~/.procmailrc:


   MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
[other variables]
[other recipes]

   # let spamassassin work on a copy of the mail to determine its
   # exit value
   :0fwc
   *  256000
   |env LANGUAGE=de spamc  -x
   
   ## Small e says on error 
   :0 e   
   ${MAILDIR}/procmailrcerror/

This way, if something goes wrong with spamd/spamc, the email
gets saved in ${MAILDIR}/procmailrcerror/ (which a cron job
processes, but this can also done manual).

   :0
   * ^X-telegraph-Spam-Status:.*Yes, hits=
   ${MAILDIR}/spam/ 
[other recipes]
   :0
   ${MAILDIR}/inbox/



When your spamassassin setup works you can filter your backup of
emails trough it (depends on your spamassassin setup).



Ciao, Gregor
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moving to Mutt from Gmail

2010-12-25 Thread Scott Jones
I have MUTT set up and working on my system. I don't use it though 
because 1) the inbox is stuffed with several THOUSAND message through 
which I need to sort and delete the spam and 2) I haven't yet figured 
out how to set up SpamAssassin to filter the junk out. My question: can 
I just copy the current inbox to a backup file and start fresh, after 
getting SA set up and trained, so that I can get all my mail from MUTT? 
I like the GUI nature of gmail but I can live without that if I can set 
up MUTT to have the appropriate programs invoked for various content 
viewing/playing.


Please advise!

Scott


Re: moving to Mutt from Gmail

2010-12-25 Thread Dale A. Raby
Why not use Gmail's own spam filter to eliminate the spam?  It works pretty 
well and doesn't require you to use or maintain SpamAssassin.  Use Mutt with 
IMAP and the messages will stay on the practically limitless storage space of 
Gmail's server.  Use GnuPG for any messages critical of say, Janet Napolitano, 
and live a simple life.

Dale
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than it is, then maybe its not so bad!


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