Re: mutt sucks...
* Jacek Wojaczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-19-02 14:32]: Well... I'm pretty sure I have more questions, but I can't remember all of them now. I'm sure that you would probably find more questions and, perhaps, even a few answers to your questions if you RTFM. You might even get some help, if you ask questions that show that you made some effort to determine parameters and configurations available in mutt. good luck, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org
mutt sucks... II
Hi all,
I have just started using mutt maily cos' all email clients
sucks and mutt sucks less. I wanted an email client on console and
mutt was one.
For me an email client is an email client and i don't want to spend
hours learning it. It should just send my mails, filter mails, have an
address book etc. I am also using getmail, maildrop with mutt.
Like Jacek I am also facing similar problems and none of the replies
satisfy me. Pobably there was a communication gap which I will try to
bridge with more simple language.
Like Jacek I also have many questions, but for now these are the
foremost. These are the bare essentials to have a feel of an email
client. I have skimmed over various muttrcs and the manual also, but
have not found any satisfactory solution for this.
1. Please tell a plain answer ;-), if I have a files like Mail/inbox,
Mail/friends. I get maildrop to do filtering. Now if I go to Mail/inbox
and find that a particular mail should have gone to Mail/friends, how do
i MOVE it form there to Mail/friends. In The Bat for windows or Kmail
for Linux I used to drag-and-drop that particular mail. Here what do I do?
2. Also when I fire mutt I get a list of my folders like I said
Mail/inbox, Mail/friends, Mail/mutt. Now I want to see there in the
index itself whether I have any unread mails in any of the folder and if
possible the number of unread mails. My set index_format line is,
set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F (%4l) %s
Please just tell me what do I need to put in my .muttrc to fulfill the
above requirement.
Thanks a lot and would be eagerly waiting for any fruitful replies.
-Payal
Re: mutt sucks... II
On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 02:21:55PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 1. Please tell a plain answer ;-), if I have a files like Mail/inbox, Mail/friends. I get maildrop to do filtering. Now if I go to Mail/inbox and find that a particular mail should have gone to Mail/friends, how do i MOVE it form there to Mail/friends. In The Bat for windows or Kmail for Linux I used to drag-and-drop that particular mail. Here what do I do? use the s (save) command. this will give you a prompt where you can specify your target mailbox (pressing tab will give you a list) and will then mark the message as deleted. 2. Also when I fire mutt I get a list of my folders like I said Mail/inbox, Mail/friends, Mail/mutt. Now I want to see there in the index itself whether I have any unread mails in any of the folder and if possible the number of unread mails. My set index_format line is, if you have a ``mailboxes'' command (see man muttrc) in your muttrc you can press c to change mailbox and use tab to cycle through all mailboxes which contain new mail. the mailboxes command might look like: mailboxes =inbox =friends =mutt note that you can use = only if you set up 'folder' properly. in you case I guess it should be set folder=~/Mail Thanks a lot and would be eagerly waiting for any fruitful replies. -Payal David -- David Obwaller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt sucks... II
On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 02:21:55PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Please tell a plain answer ;-), if I have a files like Mail/inbox, Mail/friends. I get maildrop to do filtering. Now if I go to Mail/inbox and find that a particular mail should have gone to Mail/friends, how do i MOVE it form there to Mail/friends. In The Bat for windows or Kmail for Linux I used to drag-and-drop that particular mail. Here what do I do? The save-message function. By default, push 's'. You can then hit ? for a list of your mailboxes or type the name. msg31922/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt sucks... II
Payal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 20, 02 at 14:52: Hi, Great to receive mails from you all. use the s (save) command. this will give you a prompt where you can specify got it. works beautifully, but can I do multiple saves at a same time? Tag all the ones you want saved (with the ; key), then save them. 2. Also when I fire mutt I get a list of my folders like I said Mail/inbox, Mail/friends, Mail/mutt. Now I want to see there in the index itself whether I have any unread mails in any of the folder and if possible the number of unread mails. My set index_format line is, if you have a ``mailboxes'' command (see man muttrc) in your muttrc you can press c to change mailbox and use tab to cycle through all mailboxes which contain new mail. the mailboxes command might look like: No, i think you didn't get me right. I don't want to know which folders can get mails or be checked for mails. I want to know looking at the *folder name*, how many read/unread/total (choose anyone or all) without going inside the folder. I mean I should see a format like when I start mutt, press c and then ?, 2 friends (2) 3 inbox (12) 4 mutt (0) I do, using IMAP. However, I have to hit c, and then TAB to get the list; then I see the number unread. If I hit c, and then ?, I only see the mailboxes, not the number unread. See if that helps. -- PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Member, LEAF Project http://leaf.sourceforge.netAIM: MikeLeone Public Key - http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.asc Registered Linux user# 201348 msg31926/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt sucks... II
* Mike Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-20 15:36]: Tag all the ones you want saved (with the ; key), then save them. To be potentially clearer... Tag all messages you want to save (move) with t, then hit ; to start the perform on tagged items operation. Next, hit s to save the messages to a folder: t t t ;s tags three items in the index and saves them all to a specified folder. -- David Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg31928/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
mutt sucks...
All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. :-) I'm new to the list and wanted to say Hi! to everybody. I'm also new to mutt, vim and even Linux. Previously I used to handle all my mail under Windows. The program of my choice was The Bat! - IMHO the best mail client for Windows. OK. Enough. It's The Mutt Users List. I've read some tutorials. I installed mutt, vim and procmail (because mutt does not filter incoming mail). So far this trio works fine, but it still needs some improvements. I have a few questions: 1. Displaying of X-Headers. My favourite newsreader is slrn. I could define there sth like this: Show the following headers (visible headers): From: Date: X- Headers to hide: !X-Mime !X-MSMail !X-Priority !X-Complaints So I could see all important to me X-headers and hide those stupid ones... Possible in mutt? 2. While scrolling the message with Spacebar it scrolls one line too much. Can it be changed? I like to see the last line of the previous page (hope you know what I mean). 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? 4. Folders - it really sucks! I even cannot see how many read/unread messages there are in a particular folder if I don't enter it... 5. Using up/down arrows I scroll through messages (index view). Why it skips whole page? I'd like it to work same as in slrn. 6. What's the default shortcut for Mark all tagged messages as read? 7. C - copies messages to a different folder. What key moves them? 8. Can I import my Address Book from The Bat!? 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you suggest? Abook or sth else? 10. I still do not understand this Tab completion thing - it seems that sometimes it simply DOES NOT work as expected. 11. What's the newest version of mutt? Is there a lot of problems using beta versions? (when I used TB! it was almost always the newest beta). 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? 13. How can I move old mail to a different folders? Automatically of course. For example for this list? How? 14. Can I send within mutt mail to all users on my system? vim related problems: 15. It's very very tiring manually stripping those signatures and manually adding signs when reformatting a paragraph. In TB! it was automatic... 16. I have ispell installed. It works fine. I can switch between english and polish dictionaries. Is it possible to automatically set proper dictionary? I mean: English for english language mailing lists and polish for polish language lists? 17. When spellchecker underlines a word - can I add it to the user dictionary? How? I'm having only console - so no mouse right click. 18. Why ispell spells too much? It even tries to spell quoted text or header lines. It's stupid. Can I change it? Well... I'm pretty sure I have more questions, but I can't remember all of them now. regards, -- kocurek
Re: mutt sucks...
On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:29:37PM +0200, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: Headers to hide: !X-Mime !X-MSMail !X-Priority !X-Complaints So I could see all important to me X-headers and hide those stupid ones... Possible in mutt? Of course, and even better: ignore * unignore date from to cc subject x-mailer resent-from reply-to X-Spam-Status 2. While scrolling the message with Spacebar it scrolls one line too much. Can it be changed? I like to see the last line of the previous page (hope you know what I mean). Yes. set pager_context = 1 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? Dunno. Probably. 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you suggest? Abook or sth else? There's one built in. 10. I still do not understand this Tab completion thing - it seems that sometimes it simply DOES NOT work as expected. Works here. 11. What's the newest version of mutt? Is there a lot of problems using beta versions? (when I used TB! it was almost always the newest beta). 1.4 is the release, 1.5.x is beta. 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? Use send-hooks. 14. Can I send within mutt mail to all users on my system? Of course. I even can send mail to the internet. 15. It's very very tiring manually stripping those signatures and manually adding signs when reformatting a paragraph. In TB! it was automatic... vim specific. There are macros for everything. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus MitteTel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 I fit in my suit, my suit fits in my suitcase. Hence i fit in my suitcase.
Re: mutt sucks...
* Jacek Wojaczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-19 21:29:37 +0200]: All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. :-) I'm new to the list and wanted to say Hi! to everybody. Me too. Imagine my consternation when the *first* message I see says Mutt sucks. 1. Displaying of X-Headers. My favourite newsreader is slrn. I could define there sth like this: Show the following headers (visible headers): From: Date: X- Headers to hide: !X-Mime !X-MSMail !X-Priority !X-Complaints So I could see all important to me X-headers and hide those stupid ones... Possible in mutt? Try this in your .muttrc # Configure header displays. # Ignore all headers ignore * # Then un-ignore the ones I want to see unignore From: unignore Date: # Now order the visable header lines hdr_order From: Date: This was lifted from Dave Pearson's site http://www.davep.org/ and modified. regards, kocurek Unfortunately, this was the only question I had an answer for 8-(, however there are lots of good examples in the .muttrc files at http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config Colin -- Colin KeefeWe never do anything well till we cease [EMAIL PROTECTED] to think about the manner of doing it. -William Hazlitt
Re: mutt sucks...
* Jacek Wojaczynski: 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? you can use patterns for 'color index', refer to man muttrc for details on that. 7. C - copies messages to a different folder. What key moves them? saving the message to a different folder will mark it as deleted in the originating folder. 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you suggest? Abook or sth else? abook or if you need to work with different datasources (ldap etc) maybe lbdb. Regards, Lars -- Lars Heiermann Team ['ju:nien] || http://www.junien.org Team LANparty.de || http://www.LANparty.de
Re: mutt sucks...
On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 23:02:15 +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:29:37PM +0200, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? Dunno. Probably. Yes, if you can find a pattern in the message-id, which can generally be the case, except when you send mail with some utilities that build the message-id in some way or when you send mail from a friend's machine for instance. 11. What's the newest version of mutt? Is there a lot of problems using beta versions? (when I used TB! it was almost always the newest beta). 1.4 is the release, 1.5.x is beta. and I've always been using betas, no problems with them. But you cannot know if some day, there won't be one that would be seriously broken. 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? Use send-hooks. and the $alternates variable to recognize all your addresses. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: mutt sucks...
Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: 4. Folders - it really sucks! I even cannot see how many read/unread messages there are in a particular folder if I don't enter it... Sounds like you haven't listed your mailboxes in .muttrc: mailboxes ! mailboxes =mutt =procmail-user =linux-kernel =vim-user mailboxes =list1 5. Using up/down arrows I scroll through messages (index view). Why it skips whole page? I'd like it to work same as in slrn. Read the manual, assign a new keybinding. 6. What's the default shortcut for Mark all tagged messages as read? The manual is here: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ You are looking for tag and patterns. 7. C - copies messages to a different folder. What key moves them? saving them does that. 8. Can I import my Address Book from The Bat!? Probably. Can the Bat export them in a useful format? 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you suggest? Abook or sth else? There is, you didn't read the manual. 10. I still do not understand this Tab completion thing - it seems that sometimes it simply DOES NOT work as expected. Does it behave the way the manual expects it to behave? If not, file a bug. 11. What's the newest version of mutt? Is there a lot of problems using beta versions? (when I used TB! it was almost always the newest beta). These are at the top of the www.mutt.org page. In general, don't use a development release unless you need a feature in it or are doing development work. 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? Have you looked at the sample .muttrc's provided at http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config ? 13. How can I move old mail to a different folders? Automatically of course. For example for this list? How? Depends. Do you want shiny clean folders with nothing in them except fresh email that you've never seen? Do you want folders with relatively recent email, so that anything over n days/weeks/months old is archived? Think about folder-hooks, and read those sample .muttrc files. 14. Can I send within mutt mail to all users on my system? Sure. If you have an alias established by your MTA or in mutt, this becomes easier. vim related problems: Really ought to go to the vim lists. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim) 15. It's very very tiring manually stripping those signatures and manually adding signs when reformatting a paragraph. In TB! it was automatic... If you need to reformat a paragraph, use fmt or par, or learn regexps. 16. I have ispell installed. It works fine. I can switch between english and polish dictionaries. Is it possible to automatically set proper dictionary? I mean: English for english language mailing lists and polish for polish language lists? I don't use spellcheckers; however, I imagine that you would read the ispell docs to find out how to switch dictionaries according to a command line or environment variable, and set that in a folder-hook. 17. When spellchecker underlines a word - can I add it to the user dictionary? How? I'm having only console - so no mouse right click. ispell documentation almost certainly has this. 18. Why ispell spells too much? It even tries to spell quoted text or header lines. It's stupid. Can I change it? Yes. It's open source. -dsr- -- Lois McMaster Bujold and Terrance Dicks's _Dr Who: Miles Away!_, in which the heroic Time Lord's attempts to overthrow an oppressive star empire are repeatedly thwarted by an infuriating dwarf. --Graham Woodland
Re: mutt sucks...
Hi Jacek, * Jacek Wojaczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [19. Okt. 2002]: [...] 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? color index default color7 '~h ^references:[[:blank:]].*pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de$' ^^^ this colors all messages which are direct replies to mine. pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de is the local part of my message-ids. 4. Folders - it really sucks! I even cannot see how many read/unread messages there are in a particular folder if I don't enter it... notwendig way... 5. Using up/down arrows I scroll through messages (index view). Why it skips whole page? I'd like it to work same as in slrn. try set menu_scroll=yes in .muttrc. 6. What's the default shortcut for Mark all tagged messages as read? when the messages are already tagged, it's thre key strokes: ;wo or you write a macro. 7. C - copies messages to a different folder. What key moves them? s 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you suggest? Abook or sth else? lbdb is great. 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? read http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~mara/mutt/profiles.html 13. How can I move old mail to a different folders? Automatically of course. For example for this list? How? you could rewrite the following: ## Move messages to trash rather than delete, unless ## we're in the trash folder. folder-hook . 'macro index d enter-commandset confirmappend=noentersave-message=trashenterenter-commandset confirmappend=yesenter' folder-hook . 'macro pager d enter-commandset confirmappend=noentersave-message=trashenterenter-commandset confirmappend=yesenter' folder-hook trash 'macro index d delete-message' folder-hook trash 'macro pager d delete-message' ## Delete old, non-flagged, non-new mail folder-hook trash 'push delete-pattern~r10d!(~F|~N)enter' Ciao, Gregor -- The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. -- William Gibson
Re: mutt sucks...
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:29:37PM +0200, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: 3. In The Bat! I had a filter which colored all replies to my mails. It based on References: header and my unique Message-ID. Possible in mutt? Dunno. Probably. I use this to color my eMails and the replies on them in known MLs: | # my mails | color index brightblue default ~l ~P | | # answers to my mails | color index cyandefault \ | ~l ~x \.*(mypc.mydomain.de|mypc2.mydomain2.de)\ | color index brightred brightcyan \ | ~N ~l ~x \.*(mypc.mydomain.de|mypc2.mydomain2.de)\ For infos about the ~ patterns look at 'man muttrc' 9. Au! There is no address book built in. What would you ? suggest Abook or sth else? There's one built in. | http://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb/ 12. How do I create multiple identities? Different from, attribute line and language settings for different mailing lists. Possible? How? Folder-hooks or only send-hooks? | http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/%7Emara/mutt/profiles.html 15. It's very very tiring manually stripping those signatures and manually adding signs when reformatting a paragraph. In TB! it was automatic... vim specific. There are macros for everything. | http://www.vim.org/scripts.php Search for 'mail signature' in the script section. Also try out the gq macro. O yes, and don't forget to check out par: | http://www.nicemice.net/par/ Ja allâh bina! -- Raechzschraibraephorm - findichgut. :-) msg31910/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
David T-G wrote: Do you mean a folder of emails that are non-MIME pgp and you want them to be seen as PGP messages? Well, what about a muttrc hook line or a macro that simply says tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? Great, thanks! I should think more in macros. :-) But while trying out this ferature I saw, that I didn't convince mutt to seek in PGP encrypted mails at all (via T/~b xxx). Neither on the old or new PGP style. Even when viewing the mail. Is this true? How can I find body informations in PGP encrypted mails in a complete mailbox? Ahoi, -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works.
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Volker -- ...and then Volker Moell said... % % David T-G wrote: % %tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message % % to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? % % Great, thanks! I should think more in macros. :-) No problem :-) % % But while trying out this ferature I saw, that I didn't convince mutt to % seek in PGP encrypted mails at all (via T/~b xxx). Neither on the % old or new PGP style. Even when viewing the mail. Is this true? How can % I find body informations in PGP encrypted mails in a complete mailbox? I don't believe you can; the closest you could come would be a whole encrypted folder or to tag all and decrypt-copy the lot to somewhere else where you do your search and then, of course, thoroughly wipe the temp space you used (which would always be your problem with an encrypted folder via the compressed-folders patch). % % Ahoi, HTH HAND % % -volker % % -- % http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ % % There are two ways to write error-free programs. % Only the third one works. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22682/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
* Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 03:36]: | On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:04:10 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: | On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:27:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: | Me too. Now, this isn't a problem for me as using the editor (emacs | in my case) to do that is a better solution since I can unstrip the | signature (with Ctrl-_ in my case) if need be. | | I disagree. Using the editor to do this is the *wrong* solution, since | it requires my editor to know it is editing mail. I maintain that my | editor shouldn't need to know that--text is text. I couldn't _disagree_ with you more. For example, C source code is text to: I bet you'll want your editor to know that it's editing C source code ;) | What I want to say is that both the mailer and the editor should | have an option to strip the signature. But when one has the choice, | choosing the editor to do the job is a better solution. Yep. Bye, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hell is when there is no reason to live and no courage to die. -William Markiewicz, Extracts of Existence msg22564/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* mike ledoux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:22:45AM +0100, René Clerc wrote: I couldn't _disagree_ with you more. For example, C source code is text to: I bet you'll want your editor to know that it's editing C source code ;) I'd perhaps disagree that it should know what it's editing at all times, but I would agree that a text editor should be able to be told search for /^-- $/ and delete anything after it. You'd lose that bet. I don't buy into the emacs philosophy. Or the Vim philosophy? Or the $insert_some_non_trivial_editor philosophy? Who's do you buy into, Pico? Ed? Ex? Notepad? :) -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - While your friend holds you affectionately by both your hands you are safe, for you can watch both of his.
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Thus spake Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. No one's addressed this so I'll assume there's currently no way to fix it. If this is intentional behavior, I'm very curious as to the rational. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I consider this broken. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. For my close friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the same key would make a difference, though... -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22596/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't buy into the idea that the editor should be the beginning and the end of my interaction with the system. I expect a text editor to be good at editing text--nothing more, nothing less. To insist that the editor should know the difference between editing email, C source, or an X pixmap runs counter to the Unix philosophy. This is a complete non-sequitor. Just because my editor recognizes the .c extension doesn't mean it's the beginning and the end of my interaction with the system. And I don't see how recognizing C source files runs counter to the UNIX philosophy: the editor is still dedicated to editing *text*. If you really care, I use vi--*not* vim. I'm comfortable with both ed and ex, but I wouldn't want to use them for email if I could avoid it. Real UNIX users only compose email with ed, no doubt about it! ;-) Sam
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Justin R. Miller hath spake thusly: Thus spake Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. No one's addressed this so I'll assume there's currently no way to fix it. If this is intentional behavior, I'm very curious as to the rational. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I consider this broken. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. Well it certainly can be made an option... But can you tell me what possible reason you'd have for encrypting mail to someone to whom you're not sending it? This makes no sense to me at all. Have you EVER done this? For my close friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the same key would make a difference, though... The only time I'm ever prompted is when a) the person I'm sending to has an e-mail address on their key that is similar to another e-mail address I have in my keyring, or b) when I have not signed the key of the person in question. I have multiple UIDs on my key, and have other keys with multiple UIDs, and I'm not prompted when I send to those keys. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Ox0mdjdlQoHP510RAjMbAJ41lAjxhsPAwnA+v0uu3a358RiNrgCglkZA PvdckVRn8RTclueIzWbQXkI= =/WYV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On 8-Jan-2002 10:55 Justin R. Miller wrote: | | I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of | whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. For my close | friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for | their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and | I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID | associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the | same key would make a difference, though... Still, it's a common complaint that pgp-hook makes more work for anyone that uses it. Although the documentation would suggest otherwise, pgp-hook only provides a hint about the key to use and doesn't actually select a key at all. I don't think anyone finds this behaviour intuitive, making it undesirable. My patch (optionally) eliminates this behaviour and it also does the key selection too (optionally), but only if there is only one matching key. Keys with more than one UID are considered one key, but the UIDs are not ignored for the purposes of matching. If the key has not been signed, then the standard behaviour of selecting from a list is used. Whatever you might be doing, this is probably easier: set pgp_confirmhook=no send-hook . set pgp_autoselectkey=no pgp-hook friend ... send-hook friend set pgp_autoselectkey=yes I think the behaviour when pgp_autoselectkey is always set is still reasonable (for most people). -- -Dale
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* Samuel Padgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 17:39]: [all context] | Real UNIX users only compose email with ed, no doubt about it! ;-) Real UNIX users telnet to the SMTP port ;) -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The very essence of leadership is that you have to have a vision. You can't blow an uncertain trumpet. -Theodore Hesburgh msg22638/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Volker - ...and then Volker Moell said... % % Lars Hecking wrote: % % Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email % (i.e. without conversion). % % EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp % ... % single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in % the message bodies this leads to a problem. Do you mean a folder of emails that are non-MIME pgp and you want them to be seen as PGP messages? Well, what about a muttrc hook line or a macro that simply says tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22656/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Derek, et al -- ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % % There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in % quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so ... % The easiest way to do this is, of course, to just use reply. ;-) % % Well, yes, except that I sometimes also use forward instead of reply, % so that signatures are not stripped from the message. And sometimes I % don't want attribution/quote marks. But often that does work... I trust that you've not only seen $mime_forward but also $forward_quote. % ... % [SNIP more of my ramblings...] % % Try Esc-P when displaying a message. % % Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could % add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, % but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. It may be a silly question, but have you installed the appropriate documentation for this version where mutt expects to look for it? I did a quick check and found check-traditional-pgp under section 2.3.4. Of course, it wouldn't be in a 1.2.5 version of the manual... % % Thanks % % -- % Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] % - % I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! % GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D % Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu % Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22657/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Jan 08, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % [SNIP more of my ramblings...] % % Try Esc-P when displaying a message. % % Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could % add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, % but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. It may be a silly question, but have you installed the appropriate documentation for this version where mutt expects to look for it? I did a quick check and found check-traditional-pgp under section 2.3.4. Of course, it wouldn't be in a 1.2.5 version of the manual... It's also documented rather plainly in the NEWS file, found on the website as changes.html. msg22659/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I like Mutt's motto: All e-mail clients suck; mutt just sucks less. And I used to believe it too, until I started trying to use GPG regularly. I switched from Pine to mutt specifically for its built-in support for PGP/GPG. But I found that either I don't understand how to best make use of this support, or it really needs some work. I'd like to offer my opinions about how to make mutt REALLY suck less, and at the same time ask for help about how to fix some of the problems. Also note that I'm using Mutt 1.3.22.1i (2001-08-30) so I guess it's possible that some of this stuff may have changed in some of the recent updates. But that's not the sense that I get... Here's my current list of gripes: - forwarded messages not included in quoting There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. - HTML mail I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. - encrypting attachments Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. This is, IMO, really dumb. If I've got only one key that matches an e-mail address exactly, mutt should use that key and never prompt me to choose between other keys that might be similar. For example, I have two keys in my key ring, one of which is for the e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm always prompted to choose between these two keys. This makes NO sense. If there's one, and only one exact match, mutt should be smart enough to use it. - pgp hooks The behavior of mutt wrt PGP hooks seems particularly brain dead. I attempted to solve the above problem by using a pgp hook to associate [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a particular key id. Now, instead of prompting me to choose between keys, mutt prompts me TWICE to see if I really, really want to use that key. I wouldn't have created a pgp hook if I didn't Come on! The pgp hook should eliminate the need for prompting! What's the point, if it's just going to ask you to select the key anyway? - clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. This has caused me and a few of my mutt convertees and people we converse with no end of headaches. The FAQ mentions using procmail to convert these kinds of e-mail, but I have two problems with that: 1) It is not and should not be the job of my MDA to modify messages which are in a format in common use so that my MUA can read them. My MUA should be able to handle all forms of e-mail that are in common usage. Or at the very least, those described by RFCs, which this IS. 2) THIS DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK. There are cases where, IIRC, if the e-mail has attachments, the procmail filters recommended make the e-mail in question unreadable by mutt. THIS IS NOT A WORKABLE SOLUTION. Also, mutt will only *send* PGP-MIME messages. However, there are only a handful of clients that can properly handle PGP-MIME,
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Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. why not just reply and then change the 'To' header. you can delete the 'in-reply-to' if you're worried about messing up headers. that said, it would be cool if there were 'forward_inline' and 'forward_quoted' options or something. - sigs not included in quoting i've always seen sigs included in quoting. for instance, yours is: - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. i have no problem quoting them. i have: text/html; w3m -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput in my .mailcap and: # view annoying html mail inline auto_view text/html # if plain text and html prefer plain text alternative_order text/plain text/enriched text/html in my .muttrc is it really necessary to complain so much? perhaps it's best to first nicely ask how to do something. this is more likely to elicit a positive response. - encrypting attachments Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. mutt always encrypts attachments i'm 99% sure. i'm not sure if there's a way to NOT encrypt / sign attachments of a PGP signed or encrypted message. - clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. This has caused me and a few of my mutt convertees and people we converse with no end of headaches. [snip] Also, mutt will only *send* PGP-MIME messages. However, there are only a handful of clients that can properly handle PGP-MIME, while virtually all off them (with the exception of mutt) handle clearsigning and ASCII-armored plaintext messages just fine. you can use pgp_create_traditional. however outhouse doesn't work well with the MIME type set to application/pgp my understanding is that this is deprecated anyway, so perhaps it's best to change the default clearsign behavior to just plain text? just an idea In my experience, trying to force people to do it the right way usually guarantees that no one will want to play nice with you, unless you're the guy with monopoly power well there are reasons for this; namely you can only send in US/ascii if you're using clear text signing / encryption. it seems a bit presumptious to assume that the whole world wants to send mail in us/ascii. it also makes signing / encryption of attachments impossible or difficult. I'm aware of (and use) the patch to make mutt send outlook-compatible messages, since almost NO ONE I converse with on a regular basis can read PGP-MIME messages, but it still sends PGP-MIME messages when the message includes attachments, and doesn't seem to give me the option not to. This sucks. isn't this pretty much impossible (other than the method you mentioned before of including uuencoded text in the message body)? that was my understanding anyway. w
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Thus spake Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): that said, it would be cool if there were 'forward_inline' and 'forward_quoted' options or something. See $forward_quote :-) -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22500/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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- clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. [...] Not true. 6.3.121. pgp_create_traditional Type: quadoption Default: no This option controls whether Mutt generates old-style PGP encrypted or signed messages under certain circumstances. Note that PGP/MIME will be used automatically for messages which have a character set different from us-ascii, or which consist of more than a single MIME part. Also note that using the old-style PGP message format is strongly deprecated. (I don't remember when this was introduced, though.) Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email (i.e. without conversion). EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. The easiest way to do this is, of course, to just use reply. ;-) Well, yes, except that I sometimes also use forward instead of reply, so that signatures are not stripped from the message. And sometimes I don't want attribution/quote marks. But often that does work... - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. I don't understand your question. Mutt does not cut off .signatures. Hmmm... well, whenever I reply to a message, everything after sigdashes is stripped from the message. It's possible that my editor is doing this (I use post-mode for emacs), and I'll look into that. Whatever it is, it's pretty inconvenient at times, for example when signing up for some lists. The replies sent by some lists include the authorization info AFTER sigdashes (including the mutt mailing lists) which then get stripped out upon replying to the mail. Failing to notice the sigdashes means I need to quit out of composing the message, and either use forward or cut and paste the auth command. Yep, I'm lazy! ;-) I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. Add this line to your ~/.mailcap: text/html; lynx -underscore -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput And this one to your ~/.muttrc: auto_view text/html That should be all that's necessary to automatically display (and include in replies) HTML messages. K, I'll try this, but I could swear I did this before and had some sort of problem with it... Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. [SNIP more of my ramblings...] Try Esc-P when displaying a message. Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. Thanks - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OfdudjdlQoHP510RAiepAJ93EQztxQRRIeUNP49bQhGpAxRQogCgtBbR YuNtCc9b9FjSPYoFAQFWXbg= =ZQVL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. I'm not sure what you mean. When I forward a message, it prompts me if I want to 'Forward MIME encapsulated'. If I answer 'n', the text of the forwarded message appears in my editor. It isn't quoted, if that's what you mean (it shows up between 'Forwarded message' indicators instead). Ok, so I'm beginning to suspect that this, along with my .sig problem, may actually be caused by post.el - a mode for emacs to edit mail. I'm going to look into this. [SNIP] text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput When I get HTML mail it automatically gets passed through lynx and displayed in Mutt's pager. When I reply, the output of lynx is quoted in my reply. The 'needsterminal' entry allows me to explicitly view HTML mail in lynx, which I sometimes want to do. The need to do that never occured to me... How do you choose between them? Pine's internal handling of HTML mail is much better than Mutt's. Agreed. Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. I'm not sure what you're saying here, either. Ok, I may be confused about this. Some of these things were items I'd jotted down a while back, meaning to ask about them some time ago, so I'm going from memory. I don't send encrypted mail with attachments all that often, so it's been a while since I had to deal with this one specifically. Next time I run into whatever this problem was, I'll ask again. ;-) -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org
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Derek D. Martin wrote: At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. I'm not sure what you mean. When I forward a message, it prompts me if I want to 'Forward MIME encapsulated'. If I answer 'n', the text of the forwarded message appears in my editor. It isn't quoted, if that's what you mean (it shows up between 'Forwarded message' indicators instead). Ok, so I'm beginning to suspect that this, along with my .sig problem, may actually be caused by post.el - a mode for emacs to edit mail. I'm going to look into this. you might also look to 'mime_forward' ?? (ie into setting it to 'ask-no' or 'ask-yes' rather than the default, whish is 'no'). i'm not sure if this is what you were referring to, but i think it's what mike was talking about. w
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 at 13:40:30 -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: Here's my current list of gripes: - forwarded messages not included in quoting There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. set forward_quote=yes in your .muttrc - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. This is the default. If you *don't* want the sigs, the easiest way to not get them is to have your editor strip them at -- . - HTML mail I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. text/html; w3m -T text/html %s; copiousoutput in your .mailcap If I reply to an HTML message, mutt quotes it like it does for normal text messages. - jim -- jim mock [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://soupnazi.org/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lars Hecking wrote: Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email (i.e. without conversion). EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp Months ago there was a thread how to do this automatically. But at that time all tries didn't work; AFAIR there was a conceptual problem (endless loops or so, I don't know exactly any more). Well, to read one single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in the message bodies this leads to a problem. Has anyone developed a working muttrc line concerning this problem ? Or is there a corresponding mutt variable in the meantime, I overlook? -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ Amnesia used to be my favorite word, but then I forgot it.
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Thus spake Volker Moell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Months ago there was a thread how to do this automatically. But at that time all tries didn't work; AFAIR there was a conceptual problem (endless loops or so, I don't know exactly any more). Well, to read one single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in the message bodies this leads to a problem. Has anyone developed a working muttrc line concerning this problem ? Or is there a corresponding mutt variable in the meantime, I overlook? Yeah, I brought that up. Never did figure out a good way to do it without the loops... -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22522/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 20:59]: | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput | | When I get HTML mail it automatically gets passed through lynx and | displayed in Mutt's pager. When I reply, the output of lynx is quoted | in my reply. The 'needsterminal' entry allows me to explicitly view | HTML mail in lynx, which I sometimes want to do. | | The need to do that never occured to me... How do you choose between | them? When the message is displayed (and, of course, you have auto_view text/html set, mutt pages the output of the dump version. When you visit the text/html thing of the message using 'v'iew-attach, it fires up an instance of lynx, and enables you to browse the message, and, of course, follow external hyperlinks. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hear about... the fellow who got ten years for pumping Ethyl behind the station? msg22525/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm... well, whenever I reply to a message, everything after sigdashes is stripped from the message. It's possible that my editor is doing this (I use post-mode for emacs), and I'll look into that. I'm pretty sure that post-mode does this. You might want to try a command like M-x apropos-variable RET post.*sig RET or somesuch to see what variable enables the behavior. Sam
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Samuel Padgett hath spake thusly: Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm... well, whenever I reply to a message, everything after sigdashes is stripped from the message. It's possible that my editor is doing this (I use post-mode for emacs), and I'll look into that. I'm pretty sure that post-mode does this. You might want to try a command like Well, that command didn't do much useful for me, but I was able to determine the variable to change this behavior. To turn it OFF, one would stick this in the appropriate place in their .emacs file: '(post-kill-quoted-sig nil) Easier still (at least if you have xemacs) to go to the customize menu, and set it there (customize/emacs/applications/mail/post gets you the menu for post mode). - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OiuhdjdlQoHP510RAjQsAJ9IHA5li1uun5ouXPLSDGc2vCV7OgCgkaFl /DSy9mhv3bwXHidY13hfRX4= =9rNm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 14:40:36 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. Huh. One of my complaints about Mutt (I'm still running 1.2.5, I won't trust my mail to software that the developers don't consider stable) is that it *insists* on quoting the .sig every time. I wasn't able to make Mutt stop doing this, so I finally configured my editor to strip everything after '\n-- \n'. Me too. Now, this isn't a problem for me as using the editor (emacs in my case) to do that is a better solution since I can unstrip the signature (with Ctrl-_ in my case) if need be. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, that command didn't do much useful for me, Did you try running it after loading post-mode? To turn it OFF, one would stick this in the appropriate place in their .emacs file: '(post-kill-quoted-sig nil) That line alone does not do anything useful (and looks suspiciously like it's part of a larger `custom-set-variables' declaration). Maybe you mean (setq post-kill-quoted-sig nil) Easier still (at least if you have xemacs) to go to the customize menu, and set it there This will of course work ;-) Sam
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek D. Martin wrote:
Mutt sucks much less (for me) today! =8^) I'd still really really
like to see the pgp key selection stuff cleaned up, and I'd also
really rather not have to hit escP to have a traditional PGP message
work.
do you use procmail?
i use this to accomplish that (i know you or someone mentioned problems
with this; i personally haven't encountered any)
# autoview clearsigned PGP in mutt
:0
* !^Content-Type: message/
* !^Content-Type: multipart/
* !^Content-Type: application/pgp
{
:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
* ^-END PGP MESSAGE-
| formail \
-i Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text;
x-action=encrypt
:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
* ^-END PGP SIGNATURE-
| formail \
-i Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign
}
i use Maildir; if you use mbox you'd probably need to add some
lockfiles.
w
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Will Yardley hath spake thusly: Derek D. Martin wrote: Mutt sucks much less (for me) today! =8^) I'd still really really like to see the pgp key selection stuff cleaned up, and I'd also really rather not have to hit escP to have a traditional PGP message work. do you use procmail? Yes. i use this to accomplish that (i know you or someone mentioned problems with this; i personally haven't encountered any) Yes, I've used this. It doesn't always work. I don't recall what the problem was though. I don't run into it often enough to have it fresh in my mind, but I did run into it often enough for it to be painful. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OkfPdjdlQoHP510RAn+WAJ98yB9jpvbjV2DFnaNOUVhKWYM3egCfeKhd AuhYPuBip6zzyYWw+IRSK+M= =Nakl -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:53:52PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: Thanks to everyone who have responded with helpful hints. For those keeping score: - HTML mail [...] Mike L, if you have tricks for figuring out WHICH mozilla window the page will pop up in, I'd like to see that. I prefer to have it open a new window for each link, so I use: mozilla -remote openurl\($1,new-window\) /dev/null 21 Yeah, that'd do it, but I'd rather just leave one up and have it use the same one all the time. No need to ENCOURAGE mozilla to leak memory... ;-) And BTW, if you mistype your passphrase (assuming you're signing, as well as encrypting), the aggravation is doubled every time you miss it. ;-) Yes, and with Mutt 1.2.5 and GPG 1.0.6, Mutt is smart enough to know that the signing failed, but not smart enough to not cache the bad passphrase (this applies on decrypt as well). This is *very* frustrating. Yeah, that sucks too. Though I haven't looked at the code much (being not really a programmer), it strikes me that ought to be something that's fairly easy to fix. Maybe I'll look at it, if no one else bothers... Mutt sucks much less (for me) today! =8^) I'd still really really like to see the pgp key selection stuff cleaned up, and I'd also really rather not have to hit escP to have a traditional PGP message work. If you want it, I'll give you a copy of my patch. I've been using it for a couple of months since the last change I made and haven't had any problems so far. Well, the question is, will it apply against 1.3.2x? I began to have some real problems using 1.2.5i with IMAP, which switching to 1.3 fixed. Don't remember what they were though. I'll shortly be upgrading to the latest, in order to lose the security hole that's in both mutt = 1.2.5i and mutt = 1.3.24(?). - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OlJndjdlQoHP510RAldLAJ9pAk6q24QbBMlxP3KPKFF6cfqYyQCfd46w Db2BU7uiRIpk4+pfhuW1rQk= =2m7L -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:04:10 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:27:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Me too. Now, this isn't a problem for me as using the editor (emacs in my case) to do that is a better solution since I can unstrip the signature (with Ctrl-_ in my case) if need be. I disagree. Using the editor to do this is the *wrong* solution, since it requires my editor to know it is editing mail. I maintain that my editor shouldn't need to know that--text is text. What I want to say is that both the mailer and the editor should have an option to strip the signature. But when one has the choice, choosing the editor to do the job is a better solution. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:59:04PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: Mike L, if you have tricks for figuring out WHICH mozilla window the page will pop up in, I'd like to see that. Yeah, that'd do it, but I'd rather just leave one up and have it use the same one all the time. No need to ENCOURAGE mozilla to leak memory... ;-) Can't you specify a target window name for the new link to open in? I know that when you're writing HTML, you can do something like: A HREF=somepage.html TARGET=windowname and if you put TARGET=windowname for all your links, the links will always open in the same window. Perhaps you can specify a TARGET from the Mozilla command line?
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On 7-Jan-2002 19:53 Derek D. Martin wrote: | | Mutt sucks much less (for me) today! =8^) I'd still really really | like to see the pgp key selection stuff cleaned up, and I'd also Have a look at http://www.woolridge.org/mutt/ for a patch which will probably address the issues you've raised. It was created against 1.3.25, but it might work with 1.3.22. I'd certainly like to verify how far back in the 1.3.x branch it will work. regards. -- -Dale
