Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, David Ulevitch said: What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? I added asterisk and a cheap X100P card to my Nagios setup. Now I can get a voice call if things are really bad. I started to install some text-to-speech tools also, but got depressed by all the additional ports that were coming along for the ride. So for now it just plays a prerecorded message: go check nagios! DW
RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
David Ulevitch wrote: snip What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? Get a pager! :) SMS is just not as reliable. David Randy
Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
My solution is to use a modem / POTS line hanging off the nagios box along with the qpage daemon to send alerts out through a TAP gateway. If you need the specs and 800 number for Verizon's TAP gateway I can send it offlist. http://www.dynowski.com/blog/2006/05/19/using-nagios-with-quickpage-a-sms-tap-gateway/ This is important not only to avoid the inconsistency of the vtext email-sms gateway but to get an alert out in case of a major network disruption that breaks email functionality. Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com David Ulevitch wrote: We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
If you stick with SMS messages, the weakest link will always be the carriers SMS gateway. Since this is the last item in the chain, any upstream service will still be handicapped by the gateway. I've worked with a variety of carriers, and they have all had problems at one point or another with their SMS gateways getting overwhelmed with SMS spam, etc.. causing long SMS delivery queues or dropped messages. If you can find the SMS gateway admin at Verizon they can probably comment on what the issue is and any planned resolutions, else you may need to switch providers to one with a more cluefull SMS gateway team. So far this year, I have only had a couple instances of delayed/dropped SMS delivery via the ATT/Cingular SMS Gateway.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ulevitch Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:00 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days) We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have one of these babies http://www.multitech.com/PRODUCTS/Families/MultiModemCDMA/ with SMS Server Tools 3 running (hacked up for CDMA, cuz they dont' support CDMA out of the box) $40 a month does the trick There was a good thread about sms notifications not so long time ago. Here is what the summary was: On Fri, Sep 7, 2007 at 6:54 PM, Alex Pilosov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an experiment, I wanted to try to summarize all the answers given on this question, hope this helps someone. Suggestions given: * modem and TAP gateway ** TAP numbers at http://www.avtech.com/Support/TAP/index.htm ** Software: sendpage or qpage * Mobile phone with a serial port and AT commandset ** Software: sms-tools gnokii gsmd ** Issues: not reliable because of battery drain * Purpose-made GSM/CDMA modems ** Software: same as above ** Manufacturers: Intercel, Sierra 750 (PCMCIA), Falcom Samba 75 (USB) * Purpose-made GSM-IP modems ** Manufacturers: http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=70 * Pages via DTMF ** Hylafax/asterisk - -alex [for mlc] - -- Andrey Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgGOL0ACgkQYovzGDqdwI/CTQCffgfxf55JhSyoekqGc9LxyAEY AaIAn2A0erUkl6WdWrtOgIaZCi6HZj1F =HYjO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
Yes, this is still a good route for those of us with old pagers (cell/pager via e-mail have had horrendous drop rates for me, likely due to the volume of messages). If the network issue is severe enough that your Internet access is not working, you can still dial via a modem. Even then things don't always get through the provider, so I have two Nagios systems running in tandem. This means receiving two notices for each outage, but often enough we still only receive one (even though each Nagios/qpage server reports a success on both sides). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ulevitch Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:00 To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days) We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
I still use and love qpage http://www.qpage.org/ with Nagios. Your best bet is to also attach a modem to your system and let it dial out to the gateways. http://www.notepage.net/tap-phone-numbers-u.htm This site provides a central spot for TAP gateway numbers and SNPP systems. Use your Nagios parent configuration to send snpp when the Internet is working and fall back to TAP modem pages when your system can no longer reach the net. It's the only modem I still have in use but it works great every time for sending out those text messages and pagers. Derrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Randy Epstein Sent: Wed 4/16/2008 1:22 PM To: 'David Ulevitch'; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days) David Ulevitch wrote: snip What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? Get a pager! :) SMS is just not as reliable. David Randy
Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
My recommendation as of late has been to use WCTP with a TAP backup. (using qpage at $WORK) This way you get the faster delivery/rate of WCTP, with an OOB fall-back should it be needed. Most pager companies (and presumably many cell providers) provide interfaces for one/both of the above. - d. On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:33:40 -0400 From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days) My solution is to use a modem / POTS line hanging off the nagios box along with the qpage daemon to send alerts out through a TAP gateway. If you need the specs and 800 number for Verizon's TAP gateway I can send it offlist. http://www.dynowski.com/blog/2006/05/19/using-nagios-with-quickpage-a-sms-tap-gateway/ This is important not only to avoid the inconsistency of the vtext email-sms gateway but to get an alert out in case of a major network disruption that breaks email functionality. Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com David Ulevitch wrote: We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David -- Dominic J. Eidson Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu! - Gimli http://www.the-infinite.org/
Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
In my experience, even with TAP, sending messages to a cell phone is spotty at best. I have folks on both uni-directional pagers via TAP or SNPP, as well as cell phones via e-mail and TAP. There isn't a noticeable difference in delivery time between e-mail and TAP on the phones. Cell to Cell is probably the best option if you want to stick with SMS to cell phones. I have no idea how reliable it is between carriers. I still get some comfort knowing that people have pagers with a TAP gateway - I've no idea how the technology differs between a pager and SMS, but it seems much more reliable. All of the pager problems I've had in the last few years have been, erm, 'payment related'. David Ulevitch wrote: We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
Verizon at least, uses SS7 signaling to deliver on-network SMS. This means they can provide delivery confirmation with their SMSes. I am not aware of another US network that does this or interacts with Verizon over SS7 for SMS exchange. So, if you are using a phone's SMS capability on the same network (e.g. Verizon) and it has delivery confirmation you might be very happy. Deepak David Coulson wrote: In my experience, even with TAP, sending messages to a cell phone is spotty at best. I have folks on both uni-directional pagers via TAP or SNPP, as well as cell phones via e-mail and TAP. There isn't a noticeable difference in delivery time between e-mail and TAP on the phones. Cell to Cell is probably the best option if you want to stick with SMS to cell phones. I have no idea how reliable it is between carriers. I still get some comfort knowing that people have pagers with a TAP gateway - I've no idea how the technology differs between a pager and SMS, but it seems much more reliable. All of the pager problems I've had in the last few years have been, erm, 'payment related'. David Ulevitch wrote: We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
RE: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days)
Piecing together the information I've learned over time, is it possible that VeriSign handles some of that for Verizon? Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deepak Jain Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:37 PM To: David Coulson Cc: David Ulevitch; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Postmaster @ vtext.com (or what are best practice to send SMS these days) Verizon at least, uses SS7 signaling to deliver on-network SMS. This means they can provide delivery confirmation with their SMSes. I am not aware of another US network that does this or interacts with Verizon over SS7 for SMS exchange. So, if you are using a phone's SMS capability on the same network (e.g. Verizon) and it has delivery confirmation you might be very happy. Deepak David Coulson wrote: In my experience, even with TAP, sending messages to a cell phone is spotty at best. I have folks on both uni-directional pagers via TAP or SNPP, as well as cell phones via e-mail and TAP. There isn't a noticeable difference in delivery time between e-mail and TAP on the phones. Cell to Cell is probably the best option if you want to stick with SMS to cell phones. I have no idea how reliable it is between carriers. I still get some comfort knowing that people have pagers with a TAP gateway - I've no idea how the technology differs between a pager and SMS, but it seems much more reliable. All of the pager problems I've had in the last few years have been, erm, 'payment related'. David Ulevitch wrote: We've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer a very reliable form of delivery for alerts from Nagios, et al. It seems as our volume of alerts has risen, our delivery rate has dropped precipitously. We don't expect much trying to actually reach a postmaster for vtext.com so I thought the better question would be to ask what the current best practice is to get SMS alerts out? Back in the day, I remember a company I worked for had something called a TAP gateway. Is that still a good route? I've also been told to check out an SMS gateway/api service called clickatell.com -- anyone using them to delivering timely notifications? Is the best thing to do to try and get a programmable cellphone in a datacenter? What else are operators doing to get the pages out when things go wonky? -David
