[NetBehaviour] 6 online episodes in the Thames Gateway.
6 online episodes in the Thames Gateway. This week artist Simon Poulter launches 'TG' a new online graphic/sound novel. Six episodes will be issued each week commencing 13th October 2008. The work has been commissioned by Metal. The work can be reached at http://www.viral.info Synopsis of the first episode: Daryl Aitken, age 29, has been living in a small town in the Thames Gateway. After working a series of black market jobs he lands a post at Argots Bank in Canary Wharf. This is the result of another friend pulling some strings for him and encouraging him to 'come up with a nice looking CV'... 531simon poulter ||07736647125 [mobile] ||skype: viralinfo || viral.info ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Annoying Diabetic Flarf Search-Engine Generative Poet.
Annoying Diabetic Flarf Search-Engine Generative Poet. Annoying Diabetic Bitch, Ass Vagina, Squid Versus Assclown, and You F*cked Jimmy, written and performed by Sharon Mesmer (and Google) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZI8DsouAK8 http://www.brooklynrail.org/2008/02/books/poetry-the-office-is-a-cruel-muse Poetry: The Office is a Cruel Muse by Jim Feast Sharon Mesmer, Annoying Diabetic Bitch (Combo Books, 2007) As Sharon Mesmer explains in the afterword of her new book, the poems of Annoying Diabetic Bitch were written to conform to both textual and social rules. Broadly speaking, all poetry is composed under such constraints. An Elizabethan sonnet followed a certain stanzaic or metric pattern while, at the same time, only coming to be within a certain social coterie composed of aristocrats and their hangers-on (like Shakespeare). However, when Mesmer speaks of a social component to her lyrics, she is linking them not to an enclosed segment of society, but to a practice. She writes that she belongs to “a handful of poets with full-time jobs and little time to write [who] were entering outrageous and/or inappropriate word combinations in the Google search engine and making poems out of the results.” From this we can conclude, to put it baldly: many writers verbally subvert corporate mentalities, but this poetry is outright sabotage. Mesmer is paid to work at some (probably) insipid and meaningless editorial task, but instead, being careful to pretend to be busy on task, writes verse. She is striking her employer at two points. For one, she is cheating the firm out of wages (or, should we say, exploited surplus labor); and, for two, given that her lyrics are flighty, fantastic, witty and vulgar, she is (metaphorically) offering a rebuke to the writing the publisher is expecting her to work at, shaping up what is (undoubtedly) sterile, slack-jawed pabulum. Of course, for good or ill, created in these circumstances, every piece deals, at least obliquely, with the work experience. And this, too, seems back of the general tone of the compositions, which is, in a word, vitriolic. In the U.S., standing behind the economic shift that has sent jobs skedaddling overseas and pushed the middle class into underpaid peonage (at such jobs as Mesmer’s) is the politician. Bush, for example, comes in for some headbanging clouts. She visualizes him as bragging: When I do my flight suit sausage strut On the deck of the frigate, flippin’ the bird The grunts all know I have the primo cunt Then there’s our mayor: “Mike Bloomberg ogling boobs in decent Christian literature.” And what about the right-wing supporters of these politicians? Lay out the skewers. There is “Compassionate Conservative Girlfriend.” Mesmer comments, “You have to pass Ashore 101 to get into that.” And also “Fascist Girlfriend,” who “deploy[s] evil sexual sponges.” Let’s not forget celebrities and the baby Jesus—they are now in one category —who helped create the numbed mindlessness that gives our leaders free rein. In this world, the Good Book now has other purposes than providing moral guidance. “The biblical strategy for choosing a fetish model life partner//is to seek Jesus in prayer.” Like any good screeds, Mesmer’s poems tend to be unbalanced. Often they are diatribes moving up through a crescendo of curses or blasphemies until they reach an insult that can’t be topped, and then they close. Frequently, however, a simple narrative or associational vortex is used to control the writing’s volatility. For instance, in “Apropos of Monkey Penis,” which is a poem about your typical Thanksgiving dinner, the appearance of the guests, “J. Penis, Scrotum,//Doodiekins and Debbie,” quickly leads to mayhem, when “Pookieboo straddled his giant hose//spewing frogs, saints and little Davids.” Eventually, the festive party collapses in “monkey penis fights” and the occasion is ruined. Here the tendency of her poems to become scattershot is held in check by the plot. If we go back to Mesmer’s original tenet, that the writing must be done at work, a sociological explanation for the looseness of some of her constructions readily offers itself. In an office atmosphere, it would be nigh impossible to craft a carefully modulated, fully lucid, temperate book of lyrics. There are too many disturbances, spies and deadlines. One can write, though, as Mesmer does, an angry, disturbed polemic that laughingly whacks out at the pieties and false faces that overpopulate our media and streets. A poetry collection, then, like a box of fireworks, in which a few fizzle but most burst with an illicit delight of sparks. Sent by Bruce Sterling on Nettime. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Hello netbehaviourists Anyone here on here? http://www.artreview.com/power100 . me neither. Patrick ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:34 PM, clemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's Casey Reas at #96 ! Reas is interesting in that the entire internet data visualization genre is basically a footnote to his PhD. ;-) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Production stills
Production stills Stills from the brilliant Providence City of Lights with Foofwa d'Imobilite and Azure Carter performance studies. http://www.alansondheim.org/ RI 1-11 jpegs If there isn't something fulfilling in these images, they become self- indulgent but it is the sincere hopes of the management that they in fact resonate with the viewer in what can only be described as an untoward manner. If there is something fulfilling in these images it surely relates to the psychogeographical considerations that inform a great many of the collaborations among the three of us, outside of proscenium or theater- in-the-round work; further, that there is a problematic of narrative present in place of or in regard to narrative per se, which is largely absent or, waiting in the wings, as it were, the wings, in this case, referencing the river walk, the bridges, the amphitheaters, the arches in general, upon or beneath the arches. Examples, as it were. A sleepy juvenile gull watched the proceedings. A strange cloud passed overhead. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? Bob - Original Message From: patrick simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008 15:16:18 Hi all I'm wondering if, because of property values collapsing, is a Banksy wall work (number 63!) worth less now? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
here's about the only way they influence me: http://jwm-art.net/hirst.html On 14/10/2008, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, Anyone here on here? Hopefully not all at the same ;-) http://www.artreview.com/power100 Yeah, I looked at this and thought 'assholes', especially in light of the recent economic crisis, it all fits into the same depressing, hegemonic hole... marc Hello netbehaviourists Anyone here on here? http://www.artreview.com/power100 . me neither. Patrick -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? The difference in property value and aesthetic value is the ratio that creates the worth of a Banksy. So as the value of the wall it is attached to falls, the value of the Banksy will actually rise. I'm not sure what will happen if the value of the wall goes negative, possibly the universe will implode. It's also interesting to note that this works differently the other way around. If the value of the Banksy falls, then so does the value of the wall. Ah but wait, I think we have a paradox. Since the wall's value is falling due to the falling value of the Banksy, then the Banksy will rise in value due to the falling value of the wall but since the Banksy is no longer falling the value of the wall will stop falling allowing the Banksy to continue falling bringing the wall's value down with it however since the value of the wall is again falling the Banksy must rise... Pall - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
surely Pall, this is all pure speculation! If Banksy was to merge his graffiti wall collection with Damien Hirst's own rotting, animal and fish collections, then wouldn't that hold the art market up long enough to then create a new hybrid that looked like this? http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/p-jokes/toilet/long-turd-big.jpg marc Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? The difference in property value and aesthetic value is the ratio that creates the worth of a Banksy. So as the value of the wall it is attached to falls, the value of the Banksy will actually rise. I'm not sure what will happen if the value of the wall goes negative, possibly the universe will implode. It's also interesting to note that this works differently the other way around. If the value of the Banksy falls, then so does the value of the wall. Ah but wait, I think we have a paradox. Since the wall's value is falling due to the falling value of the Banksy, then the Banksy will rise in value due to the falling value of the wall but since the Banksy is no longer falling the value of the wall will stop falling allowing the Banksy to continue falling bringing the wall's value down with it however since the value of the wall is again falling the Banksy must rise... Pall - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Perhaps the way forward is not banksyrobbers and post taxidermy, perhaps the future is not expensive culture as investments http://www.mydadsstripclub.com/ and (clever self adulation) My logically flawed but brilliantly divisive facebook group 999 members to agree no more object based art? cheap and cheerful Patrick On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surely Pall, this is all pure speculation! If Banksy was to merge his graffiti wall collection with Damien Hirst's own rotting, animal and fish collections, then wouldn't that hold the art market up long enough to then create a new hybrid that looked like this? http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/p-jokes/toilet/long-turd-big.jpg marc Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? The difference in property value and aesthetic value is the ratio that creates the worth of a Banksy. So as the value of the wall it is attached to falls, the value of the Banksy will actually rise. I'm not sure what will happen if the value of the wall goes negative, possibly the universe will implode. It's also interesting to note that this works differently the other way around. If the value of the Banksy falls, then so does the value of the wall. Ah but wait, I think we have a paradox. Since the wall's value is falling due to the falling value of the Banksy, then the Banksy will rise in value due to the falling value of the wall but since the Banksy is no longer falling the value of the wall will stop falling allowing the Banksy to continue falling bringing the wall's value down with it however since the value of the wall is again falling the Banksy must rise... Pall - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] New online project: Traceblog
Online Project: Traceblog, by Eduardo Navas http://navasse.net/traceblog/about.html http://navasse.net/traceblog Featured for the month of October at Fringe Exhibitions, Los Angeles: http://www.fringexhibitions.com/ (Click on net art project) Traceblog is a daily ghost log of Eduardo Navas's online searches, created with TrackMeNot (TMN). While Navas surfs the web, TrackMeNot is activated with the aim to cover his online surfing. TrackMeNot is a browser extension designed for search engine obfuscation. The developers define the Firefox plug-in as follows: TrackMeNot is a lightweight browser extension that helps protect web searchers from surveillance and data-profiling by search engines. It does so not by means of concealment or encryption (i.e. covering one's tracks), but instead, paradoxically, by the opposite strategy: noise and obfuscation. With TrackMeNot, actual web searches, lost in a cloud of false leads, are essentially hidden in plain view. User-installed TrackMeNot works with the Firefox Browser and popular search engines (AOL, Yahoo!, Google, and MSN) and requires no 3rd-party servers or services. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/trackmenot/ Keeping track of people's surfing activity has become an essential element for data-mining, which is often used by private and public as well as state entities to better understand people's trends. Traceblog is developed to reflect on a new stage that global culture is entering, which follows a recent period when millions of people around the world willingly shared information about themselves online, via social networks such as Facebook, Flickr, and Myspace, as well as Youtube, not to mention thousands of blogs. This sharing is still at play, and is becoming ubiquitous. The argument behind Traceblog is that social networking and online transparency encompass the solidification of Web 2.0. The result is that everyone is encouraged to be more social under the subtext of constant exposure, at times indirectly and others directly informed by the concept of the celebrity. Everyone can be star in Youtube, if an uploaded video becomes viral, or everyone can feel extremely popular when amassing thousands of friends and fans in Myspace and Facebook. Navas's logs of pseudo surfing are published on Traceblog to reflect on the archiving of daily activities of any individual who surfs the web. And to ask online surfers to reflect on the real implications of the current state of online tracking. The project in many ways is the opposite of Diary of a Star, in which Navas commented on the Andy Warhol Diaries, while often sharing some personal information of his own. Traceblog, does the opposite: It shows Navas's unwillingness to share information, while exposing how information can be taken from him. Traceblog also presents the surfing-logs in a way that is unappealing and hard to read by the online user, something blogs are usually designed to avoid. This is done to reference the actual form in which the logs would be stored in a database. TrackMeNot has received some criticism on its effectiveness, as can be attested by selected links provided on the blog's top right handside of the front page. Traceblog is not primarily concerned with how well TrackMeNot performs; instead it utilizes the Firefox extension for critical commentary on the preoccupation of losing one's privacy. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Hi Patrick, Anyone here on here? Hopefully not all at the same ;-) http://www.artreview.com/power100 Yeah, I looked at this and thought 'assholes', especially in light of the recent economic crisis, it all fits into the same depressing, hegemonic hole... marc Hello netbehaviourists Anyone here on here? http://www.artreview.com/power100 . me neither. Patrick -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] powerfulart
hello netbehaviourists Anybody here on here? http://www.artreview.com/power100 Me neither Patrick ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Alternative Economics, Alternative Societies - Oliver Ressler.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The exhibition project ?Alternative Economics, Alternative Societies? by Oliver Ressler focuses on diverse concepts and models for alternative economies and societies, which all share a rejection of the capitalist system of rule. The book ?Alternative Economics, Alternative Societies? includes the new essay ?Questions from an Artist Who Speaks (and Reads, Writes, Thinks, and Acts)? by Gregory Sholette, and 16 texts, which are based on transcriptions of video interviews that were carried out by Oliver Ressler for the project between 2003 and 2007 ?Alternative Economics, Alternative Societies?, Aneta Szylak (Wyspa Insitute of Art) Oliver Ressler (ed.), 240 pages (20 pages in color), languages: English and Polish, 2007, ISBN 978-83-924665-0-5 Please order in your local bookstore or at: http://www.amazon.com/Alternative-Economics-Societies-Gregory-Sholette/dp/8392466500/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1199319469sr=1-2 For detailed Information on the exhibition project ?Alternative Economics, Alternative Societies? please check out www.ressler.at This document has been produced with the financial assistance of the European Union. The contents of this document are the sole responsibility of Oliver Ressler and can under no circumstances be regarded as reflecting the position of the European Union. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI9H1X6Z+dCH6EHv4RAiiNAKDdMUgCGdD7pL64g7IWLEt/araEsQCfcy6n fxdGzNkX4qim05eJAqqnUOs= =I81g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] The Audacity of Desperation (Los Angeles).
The Audacity of Desperation (Los Angeles). After visits to rural Illinois and New York City ,The Audacity of Desperation arrives in Los Angeles at Sea and Space Explorations, October 26 through November 16, 2008. Gallery Hours: Saturday and Sunday, 1-5 PM Or call 323-445-4015 to make an appointment. http://www.seaandspace.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIRECTIONS from Los Angeles: From the 5, take the 2 north. Take the Verdugo Road exit. Left onto Eagle Rock Boulevard. Right onto York Boulevard (major cross street is Armadale Boulevard). Organized by Jessica Lawless and Sarah Ross, more than 40 socially engaged local and international artists address the depressed state of politics, anti-war activism, and the economy accrued by eight years of the current Bush administration. Taking to heart the idea that random acts of kindness are central to social change, each artist has made a work of art in multiple editions visitors to the exhibition can take away. The Audacity of Desperation creates a free exchange of ideas that challenges the culture at large as well as the international art market of which Los Angles has become a central location. The exhibition includes a series of events addressing the Nov. 4th elections: Sunday October 26: Exchange Rate: 2008 presents performances in the gallery space. Exchange Rate: 2008 is an international performance exchange organized by artist Elana Mann in response to the US presidential elections and includes artists from Brazil, Denmark, Israel, Mexico, South Korea, Ukraine, and the US among others. 6-8pm Saturday Nov. 1: Evil Dead 8: the end is near, a Day of the Dead inspired memorial for the final days of the Bush administration. Celebrating the end of one evil while not knowing what is lurking ahead, Evil Dead 8 includes skill sharing, music, dancing, a bookmobile project created by Irina Contreras and Kelly Besser called The Miracle, and guerilla interventions by AK-Ami and her mother Maleeka Kobrah. 8pm Tuesday November 4: Election returns will be projected in the gallery with several of the participating artists present and Lee Azzarello and Sarah Kanouse Voices of America” internet radio project will be broadcast. 5pm on Saturday November 8: FOCUS Group Findings -- What Now? Jeff Foye and Gordon Winiemko, present their findings from focus groups staged this summer as part of Trade and Row’s Campaign Trail project. The duo solicited ideas about ways artists can reclaim their power in the political process. Stay for a dance party following the presentation. 8pm Sunday November 9: A screening of video works that address the numerous political disasters, violations and obfuscations of the past eight years. Curated by Nancy Popp. 6-8pm Sunday November 16: “So now what?” or “HOLY FUCK! NOW WHAT?” Whether it is Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin, immediately after the elections we’re still in debt, looking for work, without universal health care, and occupying Iraq. Adam Overton and Nancy Popp facilitate conversation and activities that will lead to concrete actions to make change in our own communities. 2-5pm Artists in the exhibit: AK-Ami, William Brown, David Sanchez Burr, CaFF, Chris Christion, Ryan Claypool/Austin Smythe, Heidi Cunningham, Anna Campbell, solidad decosta, Alexis Disselkoen, Von Edwards, Nicky Enright, Feel Tank Chicago, Dara Greenwald/Josh MacPhee/Steve Lambert with the Anti-Advertising Agency, Russell Howze, Jill Jeannides, Anne M. Klint, Caroline Kelley, Sarah Kanouse/Tianna Kennedy/Lee Azzerello, Norene Leddy/Ed Bringas, Let's Re-Make, Steven Lam, the League of Imaginary Scientists, DJ Lightbolt, Diran Lyons, Elana Mann, Glendalys Medina, Tomas A. Moreno, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Doug Minkler, Mahyar Nili, Taisha Paggett and Ashley Hunt, Robert T. Pannell, Sheila Pinkel, Nancy Popp, Lizabeth Eva Rossof, Anthony Rayson, Nino Rodriguez, Lian Amaris Sifuentes, Rick Salafia, simon strikeback, Dorothy Schultz, Heath Schultz/Brad Thomson, Lisa Tucker, Tammy Jo Wilson, Gordon Winiemko, Xtine, Carrie Yury About Sea and Space: Sea and Space Explorations was founded by its current director, Lara Bank (MFA CalArts) in June 2007. Operating as an artwork in and of itself, Sea and Space is redefined each time it hosts artwork, statements, and the thoughts of other artists, guest curators, lecturers and collaborators. About Exchange Rate 2008: Exchange Rate 2008 (http://exchangerate2008.com/blog/) is sponsored by TradeRow (www.tradeandrow.org http://www.tradeandrow.org/ ) with in-kind support from Side Street Projects (www.sidestreet.org http://www.sidestreet.org/ ). About Voices of America: Voices of America is sponsored by free103point9 http://free103point9.org/ . The project is part of The UnConvention http://theunconvention.com/ , a non-partisan, Minneapolis-based collective of artists and citizens acting as a counterpoint to the highly scripted and predetermined nature of the contemporary presidential nomination process and convention. For more info:
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:55 PM, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? The difference in property value and aesthetic value is the ratio that creates the worth of a Banksy. So as the value of the wall it is attached to falls, the value of the Banksy will actually rise. I'm not sure what will happen if the value of the wall goes negative, possibly the universe will implode. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Interesting that Damien Hirst is so unpopular on this list... marc here's about the only way they influence me: http://jwm-art.net/hirst.html On 14/10/2008, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, Anyone here on here? Hopefully not all at the same ;-) http://www.artreview.com/power100 Yeah, I looked at this and thought 'assholes', especially in light of the recent economic crisis, it all fits into the same depressing, hegemonic hole... marc Hello netbehaviourists Anyone here on here? http://www.artreview.com/power100 . me neither. Patrick -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
