Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the moment, 'thenextlayer' Drupal site is down. I have emailed Armin asking him when it will be up again. It's back up. :-) http://www.thenextlayer.org/node/573 - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Many of the texts are available online elsewhere. And all are under at least one Free licence in the book, so readers of the book are free to copy and share what they need to. Cool - I will have another look, perhaps a few Internet searches are called for ;-) The version of my essay in the book is an expanded version with added quotes and footnotes (plug, plug) but the older version is still on my blog. ;-) ONE LOVE: How FLOSS Can Make True All the Promises of the Avantgarde (yet would kill 'art' by doing so) http://www.thenextlayer.org/node/573 At the moment, 'thenextlayer' Drupal site is down. I have emailed Armin asking him when it will be up again. As I will show, although FLOSS culture contains elements of both, elitism and virtuosity, those criteria stand in stark contrast to the central tenets of FLOSS culture: to foster a culture of enabling, facilitation and participation on a massive scale. Free Culture and Free Software exist to foster a culture of freedom to work with art or software. Participation is an epiphenomenon of this. I have an essay about this in a book that was released recently. ;-) I'll definitely take a look at Armin's essay when the site is back up, it doesn't seem to be cached anywhere. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
Thanks for sharing Marc I just bought Women of Ideas and what Men Have Done to Them. bye Annie On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Netbehaviourists, Back from our break away, Sorry for not answering posts on the list during the last 10 days. As mentioned in the post before, Ruth and I have been away for a week in Cumbria, the Lake District. Of course it was not long enough for total rejuvenation (that would take a life time), but the time we spent there was immensely enjoyable and fruitful. We read books, wrote a lot, discussed many things, played scrabble and drank wine and whiskey. We walked on the hills, climbed mountains and got soaked most of the time in the pouring rain. Believe it or not, it was great fun... Here are a couple links to images (not wet ones) of the Lake District: http://www.uk-photos.co.uk/photographs/lake_district_wastwater.jpg http://www.lake-district-attractions.co.uk/_images/striding-edge.jpg While there, we read and discussed these books below: Dale Spender - Women of Ideas and what Men Have Done to Them. http://tinyurl.com/62b6e4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Spender FLOSS+Art. Published by OpenMute, with the support of the University of Huddersfield and the ?Willem de Kooning Academie. http://goto10.org/flossart/ Hopefully, many of you will remember the Pure:dyne discussion we had on Netbehaviour. http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=322 The Fall Lyrics. By Mark E. Smith. Russell Hoban. The Moment Under the Moment: http://www.ocelotfactory.com/hoban/moment.html marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.bram.org http://aabrahams.wordpress.com The Big Kiss Video : http://www.vimeo.com/2070207 http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/the-big-kiss-at-oto-video-and-photos/ Article :http://www.fluctuat.net/blog/14027-Le-baiser-le-plus-long--ou-pas- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While there, we read and discussed these books below: [...] FLOSS+Art. Published by OpenMute, with the support of the University of Huddersfield and the ?Willem de Kooning Academie. http://goto10.org/flossart/ What did you think of the book? I don't think I can review it because I'm in it. I'm about half way through now and I'm enjoying the mix of articles. From what I've read so far I think it serves as a good follow on to the Node.L reader as well as a good historical overview of the live coding, free culture and art law scenes. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
Hi Netbehaviourists, Back from our break away, Sorry for not answering posts on the list during the last 10 days. As mentioned in the post before, Ruth and I have been away for a week in Cumbria, the Lake District. Of course it was not long enough for total rejuvenation (that would take a life time), but the time we spent there was immensely enjoyable and fruitful. We read books, wrote a lot, discussed many things, played scrabble and drank wine and whiskey. We walked on the hills, climbed mountains and got soaked most of the time in the pouring rain. Believe it or not, it was great fun... Here are a couple links to images (not wet ones) of the Lake District: http://www.uk-photos.co.uk/photographs/lake_district_wastwater.jpg http://www.lake-district-attractions.co.uk/_images/striding-edge.jpg While there, we read and discussed these books below: Dale Spender - Women of Ideas and what Men Have Done to Them. http://tinyurl.com/62b6e4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Spender FLOSS+Art. Published by OpenMute, with the support of the University of Huddersfield and the ?Willem de Kooning Academie. http://goto10.org/flossart/ Hopefully, many of you will remember the Pure:dyne discussion we had on Netbehaviour. http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=322 The Fall Lyrics. By Mark E. Smith. Russell Hoban. The Moment Under the Moment: http://www.ocelotfactory.com/hoban/moment.html marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
Hi Rob, I think that it is an excellent book. I found Simon Yuill's text very interesting, so much so that I have read it twice now. Aymeric Mansoux's Marloes De Valk's preface was a pretty well written introduction for the FLOSS+Art publication. I enjoyed Nancy Mauro Flude's personal take on Linux 'Linux for Theatre Makers: Embodiment Nix Modus Operandi'. oRx-qX's - Information Nomads and Community Surfing. Was cool... What I find reassuring is that many of the writers also practice media art themselves, which brings things a bit closer for artists, because I have experienced a divide between techies and artists, and it ain't cute. To be honest, I enjoyed most of it and learnt much will read it many times :-) I only wish that the book was released before the interview now - there would of been a few more questions about the publication and some of the ideas discussed in it. Another time in the future perhaps. When I have more time (putting some reviews up on furtherfield today) it would be great to talk about some of the texts in greater detail. It is definately equal to Node.London's Media Mutandis publication via Mute. Although, Media Mutandis was accessible free online for download, it would be good to know why the FLOSS+Art and publication is not also free online, the decisions behind this. Especially when they are exporing themes linked to this, but of course they need the cash and do so much for free anyway, so it is hard to criticize them on this level. marc While there, we read and discussed these books below: [...] FLOSS+Art. Published by OpenMute, with the support of the University of Huddersfield and the ?Willem de Kooning Academie. http://goto10.org/flossart/ What did you think of the book? I don't think I can review it because I'm in it. I'm about half way through now and I'm enjoying the mix of articles. From what I've read so far I think it serves as a good follow on to the Node.L reader as well as a good historical overview of the live coding, free culture and art law scenes. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Back from our break away...
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Simon Yuill's text very interesting, so much so that I have read it twice now. Yes I missed it when it was in Mute but it is very good. I've now bought an old ICA Scratch Orchestra catalogue and a CD of some of The Great Learning, which I highly recommend despite being later repudiated by a Cornelius Cardew who was by then a Maoist Ubuweb have some of Cardew's writing on their site, including a version of Stockhausen Serves Imperialism, the text that the title of Yuill's essay was taken from. The full quote is interesting because I think it reads quite differently: I say that all problems of notation will be solved by the masses, i.e. through the efforts of working musicians and composers and also teachers and musicologists, engaged in the practical activities of music. - p.88. http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/index.html It's interesting to compare the Scratch Orchestra with Art Language, who I think are another interesting model for collaborative technological projects, however much they'd probably hate the idea. What I find reassuring is that many of the writers also practice media art themselves, which brings things a bit closer for artists, because I have experienced a divide between techies and artists, and it ain't cute. I really enjoyed the launch event as I got to meet more than enough people making a living by combining Free Software with media art for me to now be able to tell people that it is viable. :-) When I have more time (putting some reviews up on furtherfield today) it would be great to talk about some of the texts in greater detail. Yes that's a good idea. It is definately equal to Node.London's Media Mutandis publication via Mute. Although, Media Mutandis was accessible free online for download, it would be good to know why the FLOSS+Art and publication is not also free online, the decisions behind this. Especially when they are exporing themes linked to this, but of course they need the cash and do so much for free anyway, so it is hard to criticize them on this level. Yes. Many of the texts are available online elsewhere. And all are under at least one Free licence in the book, so readers of the book are free to copy and share what they need to. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
