Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
or get really snidy about it. i know someone who built his own page on wikipedia by starting to add to pages of magazines where he contributed or appeared, then slowly worked his way around it, leaving his name on pages with a missing page link, and anonymously posted a page about himself that finally linked up with the rest. it never got deleted, so i guess it's been googled and thought as ok! On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM, xDxD.vs.xDxD xdxd.vs.x...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:42 PM, lo...@resist.ca wrote: I think that the solution to this is for those of us who understand new media art (etc.) to *organise* on Wikipedia and to help prepare articles about new media art (etc.) to survive deletion reviews. this is the best thing i have heard so far in this whole wikipedia dispute. it is obvious that wikipedia has its strategy, and that it represents an innovative and libertarian approach just as much as a facebook does. it's nice that they exist (yes, even facebook, as we've all seen great uses for it), but as anything they need to be used critically. otherwise you fall under the influence (and ruleset, and attitude) of yet another managerial crew. performing inside wikipedia, just as much as hacking facebook or making a graffiti on a public building, is part of what many do as a form of reappropriation that finds its roots deep into art and activism of the last century. sadly, being banned, or arrested, or kicked in the butt, is part of the game. the most significant thing to do is to get organized and to get things done. xDxD ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM, UQ0502 uq0...@gmail.com wrote: or get really snidy about it. i know someone who built his own page on wikipedia by starting to add to pages of magazines where he contributed or appeared, then slowly worked his way around it, leaving his name on pages with a missing page link, and anonymously posted a page about himself that finally linked up with the rest. it never got deleted, so i guess it's been googled and thought as ok! :) yes.. that, too, could be an approach ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:42 PM, lo...@resist.ca wrote: I added a simple, straightforward page for myself, DJ lotu5, so that I could help expand the knowledge about mixed reality performance art in wikipedia You don't need an entry in Wikipedia about yourself in order to add information to another page. Well, apparently you're not allowed to represent yourself on wikipedia Yes that's to avoid vanity pages and propaganda pages. It's a good rule but it gets silly when the person the page is about can't edit it despite it being wrong. I think this does a great job of showing what kind of knowledge Wikipedia actually contains, knowledge gained from mass media sources. Sadly this is true. The self-selected editors at Wikipedia often seem unable to find or recognise sources for citations that fall outside of the mainstream press or the geek press . I think that the solution to this is for those of us who understand new media art (etc.) to *organise* on Wikipedia and to help prepare articles about new media art (etc.) to survive deletion reviews. Apparently, I'm a case of a non-notable autobiography. Thanks, Wikipedia. Just saying I can't Google person X isn't grounds for deletion if they have other published secondary sources that refer to them. When using Google to help establish the notability of a topic, evaluate the quality, not the quantity, of the links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:42 PM, lo...@resist.ca wrote: I think that the solution to this is for those of us who understand new media art (etc.) to *organise* on Wikipedia and to help prepare articles about new media art (etc.) to survive deletion reviews. this is the best thing i have heard so far in this whole wikipedia dispute. it is obvious that wikipedia has its strategy, and that it represents an innovative and libertarian approach just as much as a facebook does. it's nice that they exist (yes, even facebook, as we've all seen great uses for it), but as anything they need to be used critically. otherwise you fall under the influence (and ruleset, and attitude) of yet another managerial crew. performing inside wikipedia, just as much as hacking facebook or making a graffiti on a public building, is part of what many do as a form of reappropriation that finds its roots deep into art and activism of the last century. sadly, being banned, or arrested, or kicked in the butt, is part of the game. the most significant thing to do is to get organized and to get things done. xDxD ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
On 5 May 2009, at 09:33, Rob Myers wrote: I think that the solution to this is for those of us who understand new media art (etc.) to *organise* on Wikipedia and to help prepare articles about new media art (etc.) to survive deletion reviews. +1 to this - and I'd be happy to help. In general, i think there needs to be a concerted push of knowledgeable people to improve art-related articles in general, There seems to be a lot of good information on art-related subjects on there but many editors don't seem to have the critical ability to formulate them into useful articles. Cheers, Tim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
i totally agree with the organising - at the end of the day, keeping something on wikipedia is really about how many numbers you can muster who are prepared to vouch for something. thanks tim for volunteering to help. here are a few to start with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furtherfield - has been deleted, reposted, survived a second (or third?) deletion attempt; currently flagged as an orphan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberformance - survived a deletion attempt in september last year, but for some reason is now tagged as reading like an advertisement, which is bizarre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_art - i forget the history of this page, but it's struggling - currently has 3 flags on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStage - currently flagged as an orphan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life - needs citations those are just the ones that i've been trying to keep an eye on - i'm sure there are loads more ... h : ) Tim Cowlishaw wrote: On 5 May 2009, at 09:33, Rob Myers wrote: I think that the solution to this is for those of us who understand new media art (etc.) to *organise* on Wikipedia and to help prepare articles about new media art (etc.) to survive deletion reviews. +1 to this - and I'd be happy to help. In general, i think there needs to be a concerted push of knowledgeable people to improve art-related articles in general, There seems to be a lot of good information on art-related subjects on there but many editors don't seem to have the critical ability to formulate them into useful articles. Cheers, Tim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.upstage.org.nz http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] what makes a notable life? [wikipedia]
Or a notable artist? Google does, apparently. Or Google News more specifically. I added a simple, straightforward page for myself, DJ lotu5, so that I could help expand the knowledge about mixed reality performance art in wikipedia [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_reality ] and the range of practices listed on the New Media Art [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_media_art ] page. Well, apparently you're not allowed to represent yourself on wikipedia at all, and so admitting that I had created the page became grounds for speedy deletion. At the objection of two people, the article was considered for deletion, not speedily or instantly deleted. Finally two editors came to consensus on my deletion because my name only has one hit for it in Google News. I think this does a great job of showing what kind of knowledge Wikipedia actually contains, knowledge gained from mass media sources. Apparently the editors of Wikipedia think that a number of hits from Google News is a good estimation of the value of an artist, or a person for that matter. For details, see: http://bang.calit2.net/tts/notable-life/ Apparently, I'm a case of a non-notable autobiography. Thanks, Wikipedia. ciao, lotu5 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
