Re: nettime Google deprecates SOAP API
On 12/20/06, Florian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [This means the end of most published Google Hacks and, most importantly, countless Google-based net art works. As far as I understand (Developers with existing SOAP Search API keys will not be affected. [http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/]) it should at least curently not affect existing works. (But then: for how long?) OTOH I think that those 'fluid', volatile aspects of the net are quite interesting, anyway. First and above all in terms of cultural memory etc. Second, also in terms of how to deal with this phenomenon e. g. as an artist. For instance, how should a specific work behave in case its data sources become unavailable? Cover up for the failure (if yes: how exactly) or expose it to the audience (if yes: how exactly)? It should be quite clear that this is not just a minor (formal) detail... Another example why relying on proprietary software and services will bite back developers eventually.] ... while some developers seem to bite back, as well: http://evilapi.com/ ;-) BTW, even if software and services weren't proprietary, the underlying technology still was. The question whether said technological infrastructure could (should?) instead also be provided by some foundation or another kind of public institution might get interesting. Nonetheless, it seems high time to me that the cultural impact of search engines and similar technology receives much more public attention. Which, to me, would signify mainly awareness in terms of a broader public discourse, not necessary just (alarming) alertness. Best, Sascha -- brsma::designificance // brsma.de # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime publication of Jyllands-Posten cartoons is not...
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 06:29:00PM -0500, Jody Berland wrote: Freedom of speech amounts to a kind of religion in American culture. It is only useful to term it a religion if you acknowledge that it is a civilizational ideal and political common sense for American culture the same way other kinds of beliefs are for other cultures. your focus lacks orientation as much as your argumentation lacks insight. freedom of speech is not of american origin but mainly a genuine product of enlightenment, part of which was exported to america and since remained of some value there, despite the hordes of fundamentalist religious nuts who arrived at nearly the same time. If the free speech advocates were acknowledging that theirs is a specific political ideology (...) i.e. specific to the historical formation of the American subject, plain and simple: bollocks. see above and below. it would be easier to find a way to discuss these issues with others with different political formations. (...) It's not that I think an ideal dialogue of rational understanding is always or necessarily possible, but this lack of geopolitical reflexivity on the part of people saying free speech is always, necessarily and absolutely a higher value than all other values, is giving me a pain. oh yeah, sure, and while we're at it, let's discuss the whole imperialist catalogue of human rights or just toss that crap right away, because everything is oh so relative in the end, and who would dare to judge. tell you what: i do. actually, i don't think that you really know what you're saying there. for some more clarity, please substitute free speech with any other human right in its neighbourhood. in case you forgot: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html -- may i cite? Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. the basic fault in the short-witted argument of cultural relativity is the hidden assumption, that all practiced concepts are of equal worth and value. i disagree. and so did the general assembly of the UN that proclaimed upmentioned declaration. there's a word in the title that is quite telling. it reads universal. go figure. Let's have some global self-awareness here. oh, i think we do. you just don't recognise it. when this thread started i was already unpleasantly touched, but meanwhile it is getting tremendously atrocious. if one takes a look back towards the origins of this list, it is rather unbelievable. sascha -- :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::. :: .. :... . . . . . . . :: www.brsma.de :: ..: .:. . :.. ..: . . . . . . :: im [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. :: . ::. .. . .. . . . . :: public key id 0x2EA549A0 ::.. :: . . . . .... . :: fingerprint 0A0C AE42 62F5 DB65 C5A1 E335 53FB 3888 2EA5 49A0 # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Happy Birthday: Ten Years After
on 9/1/05 1:57 PM, heiko hansen wrote: even better would be to not move at all and to meet the other nettimers in their current location. the list is truly distributed (geographically) i like that idea, but why not have *both*? i could pretty well imagine something like a nettime relay race ;-) (well, maybe not a _race_) with local gatherings hopping around the globe from one spot onwards to the next. not all at once but distributed over a certain period time. this might also provide for an incremental development/evolution of discussion topics compared to a one-time-one-place event. schedules could be made according to other events to gain some momentum. in terms of organisation i would like to opt for a 'let it grow' model. i would like to suggest starting with collecting potential places (i.e. regions/cities), events/dates, and last but not least interested people and see where we can go from there. (wiki?) best, sascha brossmann p.s.: concerning the topics suggested by david, i sense some relationship with the discussion which has lately arisen on spectre (triggered by the situation of the icc), so there could be a certain potential for cross-fertilisation... -- :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::. :: .. :... . . . . . . . :: www.brsma.de :: ..: .:. . :.. ..: . . . . . . :: icq #121790750 ::.: .:. :. ::. .. . .. . . . . :: public key id 0x2EA549A0 ::.. :: . . . . .... . # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Just do it! - Intellectual theft as a curatorial
on 7/8/05 1:05 AM, John Young wrote: [would-be-revolutionary unreflected religious crap deleted] you're nothing but a cocky loudmouthed pratt, john. and it's an utter waste of time and intellect to deal with your apparent lack of thought, insight, comprehension, etc. on any other level than that. btw, there is nothing beyond happenstance convention which assures poisonous dwarves like you to be preserved from me beating their brain out (if there was any, better one tried the reverse way) on the next proper occasion. recognize something, nitwit? 'nuff said. brsma -- :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::. :: .. :... . . . . . . . :: www.brsma.de :: ..: .:. . :.. ..: . . . . . . :: icq #121790750 ::.: .:. :. ::. .. . .. . . . . :: public key id 0x2EA549A0 ::.. :: . . . . .... . # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
