Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Thank you everyone for your help, it does appear that this matches closest to Greater Yellowlegs (on Stokes). The sonograms are pretty close to Stokes' Greater Yellowlegs too. I just noticed that I am losing strength of nfc's with my current workflow. My recorder records WMA files (this is Microsoft I think)but it is an Olympus recorder. Then I convert the file into WAV. (This doesn't cause a loss of quality, but the file gets 6-7x larger). Then to use Raven Lite, I have to make the file <1 minute long. So I cut and paste the recording of interest into another Audacity file of less than 1 minute in length. I export it as WAV. Then when I open the WAV in Raven Lite it appears to lose strength of nfc's. This is a problem since Raven Lite is really nice for viewing sonograms. Any suggestions on a better workflow? It's really pretty fun to have a nice minute section with 5-10 calls to try and figure out. Sincerely, Andrew On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: > Hi Andrew and others, > > I listened to your sound clip just now. I concur with others that this is a > Greater Yellowlegs calling. > > What makes it very difficult to absorb and separate out the call of interest > from the background noise is the duration of the recording. Ideally, a > buffer of at least 1 or 2 seconds preceding and following the target sound > of interest will allow a person's brain to better extract the call from the > noise. Also, although I use Raven Pro (1.4 beta), I think that Raven Lite > should also allow for viewing of *.aif and *.mp3 sounds. The size of a file > that can be opened in Raven Lite is limited, though. But, for a tiny clip, > Raven Lite should work for you. Raven Lite is a free product > (http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/RavenOverview.html) which is > stripped of all the bells and whistles in Raven Pro. > > I used Raven Pro to copy some of the noise and paste it in front of and > after the call in order to make the call a little easier to hear. I also > deleted the white noise following the end of the clip. You've got to turn > your volume most of the way up. Anyway, it is the typical three-noted > "deer-deer-deer" of Greater Yellowlegs. Lesser Yellowlegs is usually single > or double "deers". I don't know that I've ever noticed Lesser giving more > than two "deers" in a row. Also, to my ears, the quality for Lesser > Yellowlegs is a little different, not as full as Greater Yellowlegs and is > sharper. > > For those interested, I've attached the modified sound file in the hope that > it is easier for people to hear the call. > > Sincerely, > Chris T-H > > Andrew Albright wrote: > > Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. > 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but > very very rare in southern Delaware. > > I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed > straight up in the air. > > It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch > and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. > I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely > possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give > nocturnal night calls. > > Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great > recording. > > Sincerely, > Andrew Albright > > -- > NFC-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES > > http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > -- > > -- > Chris Tessaglia-Hymes > Listowner, NFC-L > Ithaca, New York > c...@cornell.edu > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES Archives: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
All,I played the file in winamp and was able to hear a pretty distinct, strident 3-note call. Tom On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Allen T. Chartier wrote: > Richard, > > I had trouble playing this AIF file too. There was a fraction of a second > of cricket noise with a very faint two-note call, followed by about 4 > seconds of silence. I can play WAV and MP3 files better than AIF. > > Allen T. Chartier > amazilia1(at)comcast.net > Inkster, Michigan, USA > > - Original Message - > *From:* Richard Guthrie > *To:* 'Tom Johnson' ; 'Andrew > Albright' > *Cc:* nfc-l@cornell.edu > *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 9:31 PM > *Subject:* RE: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American > Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!? > > Was I missing something? > > > > I could barely hear any call at all, nevermind being able to identify it ! > > > > Sorry for my tine ear folks. > > > > Rich Guthrie > > New Baltimore, > > The Greene County > > New York > > gael...@capital.net > > > > > -- > > *From:* bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Tom Johnson > *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 9:18 PM > *To:* Andrew Albright > *Cc:* nfc-l@cornell.edu > *Subject:* Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American > Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!? > > > > Andrew, > > It sounds like a normal Greater Yellowlegs to me (and a great deal more > probable than a flight calling Black Rail in DE). They frequently call on > nocturnal migration with similar calls to those given in the daytime. > > > Tom > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Albright < > andrew.albri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. > 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but > very very rare in southern Delaware. > > I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed > straight up in the air. > > It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch > and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. > I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely > possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give > nocturnal night calls. > > Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great > recording. > > Sincerely, > Andrew Albright > > -- > NFC-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES > > http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > -- > > > > > -- > Thomas Brodie Johnson > Ithaca, NY > t...@cornell.edu > mobile: 717.991.5727 > > -- Thomas Brodie Johnson Ithaca, NY t...@cornell.edu mobile: 717.991.5727 -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Richard, I had trouble playing this AIF file too. There was a fraction of a second of cricket noise with a very faint two-note call, followed by about 4 seconds of silence. I can play WAV and MP3 files better than AIF. Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA - Original Message - From: Richard Guthrie To: 'Tom Johnson' ; 'Andrew Albright' Cc: nfc-l@cornell.edu Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!? Was I missing something? I could barely hear any call at all, nevermind being able to identify it ! Sorry for my tine ear folks. Rich Guthrie New Baltimore, The Greene County New York gael...@capital.net -- From: bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:18 PM To: Andrew Albright Cc: nfc-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!? Andrew, It sounds like a normal Greater Yellowlegs to me (and a great deal more probable than a flight calling Black Rail in DE). They frequently call on nocturnal migration with similar calls to those given in the daytime. Tom On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Albright wrote: Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but very very rare in southern Delaware. I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed straight up in the air. It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give nocturnal night calls. Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great recording. Sincerely, Andrew Albright -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html -- -- Thomas Brodie Johnson Ithaca, NY t...@cornell.edu mobile: 717.991.5727 -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Andrew, I agree w/ Tom Johnson. However, with distant recordings not sure how you would rule out possible Lesser Yellowlegs. I have similar call (on which I leaned towards a Greater) posted at: http://www.nightmigrants.com/main/page_species_calls_greater_yellowlegs.html Mine is also not a great recording. Xeno-canto (http://xeno-canto.org/index.php)is a good place to go to listen to flight calls from both species and if you open a call up in Quicktime, you should be able to "right click" with your mouse and "save as source" so you can save the sound file to your computer and make your own spectrograms. Hope this helps. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD apmart...@comcast.net Andrew Albright wrote: Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but very very rare in southern Delaware. I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed straight up in the air. It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give nocturnal night calls. Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great recording. Sincerely, Andrew Albright -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Andrew, I agree w/ Tom Johnson. However, with distant recordings not sure how you would rule out possible Lesser Yellowlegs. I have a similar call (on which I leaned towards a Greater) posted at: http://www.nightmigrants.com/main/page_species_calls_greater_yellowlegs.html Mine is also not a great recording. Xeno-canto (http://xeno-canto.org/index.php)is a good place to go to listen to flight calls from both species and if you open a call up in Quicktime, you should be able to "right click" with your mouse and "save as source" so you can save the sound file to your computer and make your own spectrograms. Hope this helps. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD apmart...@comcast.net Andrew Albright wrote: Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but very very rare in southern Delaware. I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed straight up in the air. It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give nocturnal night calls. Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great recording. Sincerely, Andrew Albright -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
RE: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Was I missing something? I could barely hear any call at all, nevermind being able to identify it ! Sorry for my tine ear folks. Rich Guthrie New Baltimore, The Greene County New York gael...@capital.net _ From: bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-4296486-10071...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:18 PM To: Andrew Albright Cc: nfc-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!? Andrew, It sounds like a normal Greater Yellowlegs to me (and a great deal more probable than a flight calling Black Rail in DE). They frequently call on nocturnal migration with similar calls to those given in the daytime. Tom On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Albright wrote: Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but very very rare in southern Delaware. I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed straight up in the air. It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give nocturnal night calls. Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great recording. Sincerely, Andrew Albright -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html -- -- Thomas Brodie Johnson Ithaca, NY t...@cornell.edu mobile: 717.991.5727 -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
Re: [nfc-l] Call ID help. 2hrs before dawn sounds like American Goldfinch or Black Rail ?!?
Andrew,It sounds like a normal Greater Yellowlegs to me (and a great deal more probable than a flight calling Black Rail in DE). They frequently call on nocturnal migration with similar calls to those given in the daytime. Tom On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Albright wrote: > Recorded Sunday am at 4:30am about 3-4 miles from Delaware Seashore. > 2 miles from definite Clapper Rail habitat, Black Rail possible but > very very rare in southern Delaware. > > I have a very basic setup (no amplification) with a parabola pointed > straight up in the air. > > It really sounds exactly like a cross between an American Goldfinch > and a Black Rail to me, which is obviously an awfully odd combination. > I listened to all the shorebirds and yellowlegs also seems remotely > possible. I have no idea if any of those species mentioned give > nocturnal night calls. > > Any help would be appreciated and apologies, it isn't really a great > recording. > > Sincerely, > Andrew Albright > > -- > NFC-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES > > http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > -- -- Thomas Brodie Johnson Ithaca, NY t...@cornell.edu mobile: 717.991.5727 -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html --
