[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dally dir...@gmail.com wrote: From: John Dally dir...@gmail.com Subject: [NSP] NSP spotted on ebay UK To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 15 February, 2012, 16:23 [1][1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456? pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. [2]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ 2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
A lot of the ivory actually came from old billiard and snooker balls as well and a lot of of them (and other ivory work) came from mammoth tusks from Russia. Europeans used ivory mainly for piano keys and cutlery handles! I remember being advised to look out for them to make some bits for the pipes - mind you, that was when the recommended cane source was flower baskets from Spain :) I never did get any as my attempt to make a set went very, very wrong when the drill came out of the side of the chanter and I realised it was beyond me! I think I still have a few pieces of lignum hanging around somewhere though (drone size). Hippo teeth are a common source as well (and sperm whale teeth) and anything from a mammal tooth is ivory. All a bit gross really. Mammoth ivory is still legal. I'd rather have plastic myself. Colin Hill On 17/02/2012 21:21, Guy Tindale wrote: Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dallydir...@gmail.com wrote: - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
If that recent footage of a mammoth-shaped object fording a river in Chukhotka in the Russian Far East turns out not to have been faked, then presumably the species goes on the CITES list pretty sharpish, and carrying smallpipes across borders gets harder... John In a message dated 17/02/2012 21:48:50 GMT Standard Time, cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk writes: A lot of the ivory actually came from old billiard and snooker balls as well and a lot of of them (and other ivory work) came from mammoth tusks from Russia. Europeans used ivory mainly for piano keys and cutlery handles! I remember being advised to look out for them to make some bits for the pipes - mind you, that was when the recommended cane source was flower baskets from Spain :) I never did get any as my attempt to make a set went very, very wrong when the drill came out of the side of the chanter and I realised it was beyond me! I think I still have a few pieces of lignum hanging around somewhere though (drone size). Hippo teeth are a common source as well (and sperm whale teeth) and anything from a mammal tooth is ivory. All a bit gross really. Mammoth ivory is still legal. I'd rather have plastic myself. Colin Hill On 17/02/2012 21:21, Guy Tindale wrote: Hi All, The ivorycould possibly be walrus. Goeff Wooff used old walrus pieces that I think he bought in NZ years ago in the limited number of sets of pipes that he made. Then again am happy to be proven wrong!! Regards, Guy T --- On Wed, 15/2/12, John Dallydir...@gmail.com wrote: - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Hello Mike I agree there is nothing of the Hedworth style in this set - keys especially. Hedworth taught silver smithing to Colin Ross and was a master of beautiful keywork. His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit (hope my technical language if not too baffling). There is a good sample of various makers' keywork at the bottom of this page: [1]http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html Hedworth made the ivory (G) chanter and it has absolutely typical Hedworth keys. As aye Anthony From: Mike Sharp mike_sh...@pacbell.net To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2012, 22:28 Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK Colin Hill writes: I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I pretty sure this isn't Bill Hedworth's work. I don't see his distinctive rolled (crimped) line that he used to anchor the metalwork to the wood, and the keys are also of a style different that what I'm use to seeing in his work. --Mike -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
I didn't look at the larger images :( Quite different and, as you say, especially the keys. Bill's are a work of art in themselves. Should really have looked at my own set before replying. The only other chanters I have seen (and not that many) have been rather heavy and thick which made me think it may have been his. Again, even looking at the woodwork says it's not. My humble apologies for being too idle to look and replying without thinking. Colin Hill On 16/02/2012 08:49, Anthony Robb wrote: Hello Mike I agree there is nothing of the Hedworth style in this set - keys especially. Hedworth taught silver smithing to Colin Ross and was a master of beautiful keywork. His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit (hope my technical language if not too baffling). There is a good sample of various makers' keywork at the bottom of this page: [1]http://www.robbpipes.com/WindyGyleBand.html Hedworth made the ivory (G) chanter and it has absolutely typical Hedworth keys. As aye Anthony - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4813 - Release Date: 02/16/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4813 - Release Date: 02/16/12 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
First of all, I must apologise to Anthony for sending my first reply to him rather than the list. This was a finger slip. What I wrote was: As far as I can see, these pipes bear none of the features I would expect in Hedworth pipes. In particular, Anthony Robb wrote: His style is unique with the key stem shaped and silver soldered to reach completely across the domed round bit. Close examination of the third photograph shows keys with pads which are far more reminiscent of David Burleigh (for instance) although the touch ends do have the bulk I would expect from Hedworth. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
On 15/02/2012 16:23, John Dally wrote: [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I think it's the late Ron Blake of Alderly Edge, Cheshire. Adrian
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Doh! I did reply but sent it to the original sender instead of well you know the rest. I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I always thought of Bill's as very neat and slim so maybe a follower. The case looks too new for Bill as well. Colin Hill. On 15/02/2012 21:55, Adrian wrote: On 15/02/2012 16:23, John Dally wrote: [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_ Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 Can anyone identify the maker? I am not associated with the sale or interested in bidding on them. Just curious. -- References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northumbrian-Smallpipes-/120858672456?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instrumentshash=item1c23bcfd48 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I think it's the late Ron Blake of Alderly Edge, Cheshire. Adrian - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12
[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK
Colin Hill writes: I saw a distinct Hedworth look in the chanter but note it's brass fittings. He, I think, used NS (he did on mine) and there's more ivory on this one. I pretty sure this isn't Bill Hedworth's work. I don't see his distinctive rolled (crimped) line that he used to anchor the metalwork to the wood, and the keys are also of a style different that what I'm use to seeing in his work. --Mike -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
