Re: [NTG-context] Setting up protrusion, side-effects
Am 28.07.10 02:31, schrieb Martin Althoff: When setting up protrusion, I noticed it disappearing despite being defined/setup. In a text, when I changed the font from Palatino to Sabon (with \setupbodyfont[sabon]), protrusion stopped working. Changing back to palatino, with nothing else changed, protrusion appeared again. Note: getting the latest minimals update did not change anything: context: version: 2010.07.27 16:30, LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.2-2010070117 on OSX 10.6.4 The following test file showed that if the \setupbodyfont takes place before \definefontfeature and \setupalign, protrusion fails completely. In the example 1 below it fails. Disabling the top \setupbodyfont and enabling the bottom \setupbodyfont gets it to work. However, it will fail for both Palatino and Sabon! I could not create an example for one font working and the other not. Is the order of declaration important? That would be unusual in context by what I have seen so far. Am I missing something? Fonts are sometimes special and when ypu load a font it's setting (e.g. ligatures, protrusion etc.) are frozen. To change the settings you need \definefontfeature before \setupbodyfont, of yourse there is \addff to change a certain setting but this is only meant for local changes and not for global range. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] relative size of symbols
Hi ho,
I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison
to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font
feature is handled different.)
I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I scale
my glyphs in this setup?
(minimals, latest beta, mkIV)
\definefontsynonym [Symbola] [file:Symbola.otf]
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getglyph{Symbola}{\utfchar{#1}}}
\def\born{\leavevmode\raise0.09em\hbox{\UnicodeSymbol{2733}}}
\definefontsynonym is missing in the command reference.
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Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols
Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
Hi ho,
I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison
to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font
feature is handled different.)
I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I scale
my glyphs in this setup?
(minimals, latest beta, mkIV)
\definefontsynonym [Symbola] [file:Symbola.otf]
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getglyph{Symbola}{\utfchar{#1}}}
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{Symbola}{1.2}{\utfchar{#1}}}
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[NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
Hello all,
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost in
MKIV, please?
I have the following code:
\definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]}
\starttext
\startMPpage
input mp-tool;
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm;
label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
which gives a line feed between One and Two using MKII, but no line feed in
MKIV.
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Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens:
Hello all,
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in
MetaPost in MKIV, please?
I have the following code:
\definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]}
\starttext
\startMPpage
input mp-tool;
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm;
label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
which gives a line feed between One and Two using MKII, but no line
feed in MKIV.
\defineframed[mplabel][frame=off,align=middle]
\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm ;
label(textext(\mplabel{One\\Two}),origin)) ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols
Am 2010-07-28 um 09:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in
comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now
some font feature is handled different.)
I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I
scale my glyphs in this setup?
(minimals, latest beta, mkIV)
\definefontsynonym [Symbola] [file:Symbola.otf]
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getglyph{Symbola}{\utfchar{#1}}}
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{Symbola}{1.2}{\utfchar{#1}}}
Thank you, looks good, but doesn't work for me:
! Missing number, treated as zero.
to be read again
S
argument S
ymbola
\symbolicsizedfont ...ontsize #1\scaledfontsize #2
\scaledfontsize
\font \the...
\getscaledglyph ...-{\symbolicscaledfont {#1}{#2}
\doifnumberelse
{#3}\char ...
l.21 \getscaledglyph{Symbola}{3.0}{A}
{A} was only a test, since it didn't work with \utfchar either, same
error.
Looks like \getscaledglyph doesn't take my font definition?
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Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols
Am 28.07.10 10:16, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
Am 2010-07-28 um 09:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in
comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now
some font feature is handled different.)
I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I scale
my glyphs in this setup?
(minimals, latest beta, mkIV)
\definefontsynonym [Symbola] [file:Symbola.otf]
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getglyph{Symbola}{\utfchar{#1}}}
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{Symbola}{1.2}{\utfchar{#1}}}
Thank you, looks good, but doesn't work for me:
It works but the argument need to be given in a different order, you need:
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{factor}{font}{char}}
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Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
Can you show me a example where simplefonts is so slow.
Sure, here goes.
I should say, most of my documents are 1-5 pages and build time is usually
under 5 seconds (2nd and higher runs).
One (relatively) slow use of simplefonts is the Chinese example (1) below. The
way I pasted it, it runs just under 13 seconds on 2nd and consecutive runs. Not
using the adobe but eg the ht series is a whee faster.
It's not that I am doing huge amounts of Chinese, but jumping from, say, 3 to
12 seconds, is considerably slower. I was hoping by creating a typescript I
could speed things up a bit. Any suggestions welcome.
Standing corrected, the impact using eg. CharisSIL for phonetic/IPA symbols the
impact is much less: eg. a jump from 2.8 to 4.8 seconds in Example (2) given
below. The impact of 2 seconds is bearable!
Let me know if you want to see any output or whatever.
cheers, Martin
%Example (1)
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[texgyrepagella]
\setsansfont[texgyreheros]
\setmonofont[texgyrecursor]
\setcjkmainfont[adobesongstd]
\setcjksansfont[adobeheitistd]
\setcjkmonofont[adobefangsongstd]
% ttf fonts htsong, hthei, htkai, htfs from:
% http://ftp.ctex.org/pub/tex/fonts/truetype/ttf/
%\setcjkmainfont[htsong] % serif, regular
%\setcjksansfont[hthei] % sans
%\setcjkmonofont[htsong] % mono
\setscript[hanzi]
\starttext
Where there is a will, there is a way.
我命由我不由天
\blank
{\rm Serif: 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財 text 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財}
%{\ss Sans: 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財 text 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財}
%{\tt Mono: 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財 text 兡也包因沘氓侷柵苗孫孫財}
\stoptext
% Example (2) - Not sure if the IPA symbols post properly...
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[CharisSIL]
\starttext
besser [ˈbɛsɐ], der [deːɐ]
d͡ʒ
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
Standing corrected, the impact using eg. CharisSIL for phonetic/IPA symbols the impact is much less: eg. a jump from 2.8 to 4.8 seconds in Example (2) given below. The impact of 2 seconds is bearable! Then it must simply be the font. Whatever the amount of text you typeset using that font, it must be loaded in the first place, and that – obviously – takes more time if it's larger, as is the case for Chinese. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
On 28-7-2010 11:08, Martin Althoff wrote: One (relatively) slow use of simplefonts is the Chinese example (1) below. The way I pasted it, it runs just under 13 seconds on 2nd and consecutive runs. Not using the adobe but eg the ht series is a whee faster. cjk fonts are huge ... are you using a slow machine with not that much memory? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Setting up protrusion, side-effects
Fonts are sometimes special and when ypu load a font it's setting (e.g. ligatures, protrusion etc.) are frozen. To change the settings you need \definefontfeature before \setupbodyfont, OK, got it. Makes sense! Could this also be extended to \switchtobodyfont, in case I am using more then one font. Any \definefontfeature statements would have to be done before switching to any new font? In regard to the use of \showbodyfont in combination with protusion (the second mentioned problem) messing up palatino (ie. TexGyre Pagella), does that mean \setupbodyfont is doing some background work causing the layout following it to fail when protrusion is applied? Thanks again, Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
Am 2010-07-28 um 01:10 schrieb Marcin Borkowski: BTW, I know of at least two derogatory terms concerning my nation: Polak (which is exactly what a Polish man is called in Polish) is considered rude in the US, and polnische Wirtchaft is very derogatory in German. I have to admit that I am not extremely happy because of these terms, but it's not a real problem for me. While I know Polacken as a derogatory word for Polish (or other Eastern European) people, I never encountered polnische Wirtschaft. Similar cuss words are Itzig for Jews (originally just a form of Isaak), Molukker for any black people (originally Dutch Indonesians), similar Kaffer (originally used as a rather neutral name for Xhosa in the German colonies, but meaning unbeliever in Arabian and farmer in Yiddish), Kanake for arbitrary Southern foreigners (originally Polynesian human and a positive name of German sailors for their Polynesian colleagues) etc. Of course there are a lot of prejudices against several groups that lead to derogatory words, in German e.g. türken (turk) = to counterfeit (probably based on a chess playing machine fraud) (herum)zigeunern (gipsy (around)) = to leisurely wander, also sexually Schwulitäten (homosexualities) = difficulties spanisch (spanish) = dubious (das kommt mir spanisch vor = that is/ sounds dubious) Schotten... (scottish) = cheap (e.g. Schottenpreise = Scottish prices) More on our gender topic is herrlich (lordlike) = great dämlich (ladylike) = stupid Or some words that changed their meaning over the centuries: Weib = shrew/broad (used to mean just woman, while Frau meant lady) So, as several other posters already said: It's not the words who are to blame, but the speakers and their mind sets... Grüßlinge vom Südsee! Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? And what's wrong with Negro? AFAIK, it means black, so it just describes the reality. This is what a word should do, right? And btw, the term Afroamerican doesn't really make much sense to me: what would you call a Negro, born in France, and living in Germany, when you wanted to distinguish him from a white man? (Please note that by man, I mean a human being of any sex;).) To be more serious: I accept that there might be a problem caused by the fact that I am not a native speaker of English. I suspect that somehow the neutral term Negro started being used in a derogatory fashion, and that it might be unpleasant to black people to be called Negroes. And that's why I usually say just black people. So what is your issue here then? You are already working by the rules I proposed: using the words that the group wishes to be called by (or at least not using the words which they don't). BTW, 'Negro' is definitely not a term to be used for referring to black Americans. IIRC, it is a positive term in Brazil. The point is to be aware of these things and to respect people's wishes regarding them, rather than blithely pretending that any name you use should automatically be fine simply because, well, YOU don't see the problem with using the term Negro (for instance). 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). Well, onerous might not be the best word. Scary might be better. You see, I am quite convinced that trying to manipulate language by hand is a very bad idea. Maybe this is partly because I live in a former Communist country (Poland); we have seen such things in the past. Another reason maybe that it seems to me that one of the first groups to talk about political correctness (maybe even coining the phrase, I don't know) were feminists, who did so much more harm to women in general than we usually imagine. I understand your sensitivity vis a vis Regime Imposed language tuning. You have got to be kidding me with that anti-feminist talk, though. I'm not going to go there with you, especially after your explanation below. This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a depressing thought. I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable exceptions. Also note that better/worse fit for one particular purpose is completely unrelated to better/worse in general.) I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has decided to accept and repeat this fact over and over, and men will generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the attempt), then it will come to appear as true. But that doesn't make it any less BS. Put out some science for that one, dude. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive :
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
cjk fonts are huge ... are you using a slow machine with not that much memory? Hi Hans, well, slow is kind of right: MacBook 2GHz Core Duo (first series of MacBooks), but 2GB of RAM is something I would think to be ok. For the Chinese example I see: mkiv lua stats : current memory usage - 147 MB (ctx: 150 MB) Not exactly challenging -- if that's a key number. Best, Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 28-7-2010 1:12, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a):
I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start
a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of
interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.)
I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist
will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more
often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...)
as normally one can swap he/she without problems, we can make a module for
that ..
% Of course one can now wonder if \heshe or \shehe should be defined first.
\getrandomcount\scratchcounter{0}{10}
\ifnum\scratchcounter5
\enablemode[gender:male]
\edef\heshe {he}
\edef\HeShe {He}
\edef\hisher{His}
\else
\enablemode[gender:female]
\edef\heshe {she}
\edef\HeShe {She}
\edef\hisher{Her}
\fi
\let\shehe \heshe
\let\SheHe \HeShe
\let\herhis\hisher
\starttext
I wonder if \heshe\ likes reading this article.
\stoptext
(looks like i need to move some initialization code as the seed is set at
starttext time which is too late)
This is really cool :)
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Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols
Am 2010-07-28 um 10:23 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{Symbola}{1.2}{\utfchar{#1}}}
Thank you, looks good, but doesn't work for me:
It works but the argument need to be given in a different order, you
need:
\def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{factor}{font}{char}}
Aaargh, I looked at the source, but didn't see that. Thank you!
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable exceptions. Also note that better/worse fit for one particular purpose is completely unrelated to better/worse in general.) I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has decided to accept and repeat this fact over and over, and men will generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the attempt), then it will come to appear as true. But that doesn't make it any less BS. No no, I've seen excellent scientific research on this question. It was in a German periodical of 1938. The article explained why women can't do math. I also gave a rigorous demonstration that Poles are genetically inferior to Germans and can only be plumbers or thieves... But seriously: Marcin, I would recommend you stop posting on this. All you show is your complete lack of intellectual awareness. You're embarrassing yourself, and that's all. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
Hans, thanks for the detailed answer! My understanding is slowly advancing :D in principle we could do without, but this helps predefining a couple of things that otherwise would slow down each font switch This confirms my (vague) assumption that deep in the internals it helps structure things. it also relates to bodyfont environments where there are relationships between sizes ... thereby creating the a font enviroment in practice, if you choose say 13pt it will work out ok as things are checked and defined on the fly; but there might be a slight performance hit This goes towards my fear: I prefer to state things explicitly. Automagic that happens in the background covering up for my sloppyness is great, but... creates confusion when things trip up. Internals might change. Or I might have been building on side effects for all I know. For this reason examples with wordy declarations are welcome... Working with hard-blocking Modula compilers was a good teacher, but that's long ago. you probably want features enables, so *default \definefont [WonderFont] [BoldItalic*default sa 4.8] Hm, I'll have to read up on that one. Thanks ! Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
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Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens:
Hello all,
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost
in MKIV, please?
I have the following code:
\definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]}
\starttext
\startMPpage
input mp-tool;
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm;
label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
which gives a line feed between One and Two using MKII, but no line feed
in MKIV.
\defineframed[mplabel][frame=off,align=middle]
\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm ;
label(textext(\mplabel{One\\Two}),origin)) ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Thanks for the suggestion, but I still don't get a line feed! I am using
ConTeXt from 15-May-2010, has something changed since then?
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Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
On 28-7-2010 12:22, Richard Stephens wrote:
Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens:
Hello all,
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost
in MKIV, please?
I have the following code:
\definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]}
\starttext
\startMPpage
input mp-tool;
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm;
label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
which gives a line feed between One and Two using MKII, but no line feed
in MKIV.
\defineframed[mplabel][frame=off,align=middle]
\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm ;
label(textext(\mplabel{One\\Two}),origin)) ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Thanks for the suggestion, but I still don't get a line feed! I am using
ConTeXt from 15-May-2010, has something changed since then?
in pack-rul.mkiv add \unexpanded here:
\unexpanded\def\vboxednewline
{\endgraf\ignorespaces}
\unexpanded\def\hboxednewline
{\unskip\normalspace\ignorespaces}
and then remake the format
(it's a side effect of nested framed usage)
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Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
On 28-7-2010 11:47, Martin Althoff wrote: For this reason examples with wordy declarations are welcome... Working with hard-blocking Modula compilers was a good teacher, but that's long ago. Taco once told me that one could see from the context sources (old ones maybe) that I had my share of modula programming too -) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I've just seen that there is Wolfgang this year... Also Alan... Plotting data with Metafun/Metapost ... explore alternative solutions including the possibilities to process numerical data through use of luaTeX. Hmm , it sounds like challenge to me .. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 28-7-2010 11:47, Martin Althoff wrote: For this reason examples with wordy declarations are welcome... Working with hard-blocking Modula compilers was a good teacher, but that's long ago. Taco once told me that one could see from the context sources (old ones maybe) that I had my share of modula programming too -) Still today # grep -i MODULA tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/* -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
Hi all, On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: Blocked Firewall port You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if your admin objects, you probably won't be able to use rsync for the distribution. Yes, I am behind a firewall. No, port 873 is not open. No, I cannot make any changes, and yes, my admin objects :-( So what's the alternative to using rsync? I used to use the zip file at http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-4.htm but that doesn't exist any more! I've now managed to screw up my MKIV installation somehow, so I desperately need some way of getting the beta release re-installed without rsync. Help!! Richard Converteam UK Ltd. Registration Number: 5571739 and Converteam Ltd. Registration Number: 2416188 Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: Boughton Road, Rugby, Warwickshire, CV21 1BU. CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. http://www.converteam.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
# grep -i MODULA tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/*
I especially like, from core-con.mkii:
%D \macros
%D {getdayoftheweek, dayoftheweek}
%D
%D The conversion algoritm is an old one and a translation from
%D a procedure written in MODULA~2 back in the 80's. I finaly
%D found the 4--100-400 rules in some enclopedia. Look at this
%D messy low level routine that takes the day, month and year
%D as arguments:
[followed by the actual TeX code]
:-)
Arthur
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Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
2010/7/28 Richard Stephens richard.steph...@converteam.com: Hi all, On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: Blocked Firewall port You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if your admin objects, you probably won't be able to use rsync for the distribution. Yes, I am behind a firewall. No, port 873 is not open. No, I cannot make any changes, and yes, my admin objects :-( So what's the alternative to using rsync? I used to use the zip file at http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-4.htm but that doesn't exist any more! I've now managed to screw up my MKIV installation somehow, so I desperately need some way of getting the beta release re-installed without rsync. Help!! Richard Does http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-2.htm help? -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:49, Richard Stephens wrote: Hi all, On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: Blocked Firewall port You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if your admin objects, you probably won't be able to use rsync for the distribution. Yes, I am behind a firewall. No, port 873 is not open. No, I cannot make any changes, and yes, my admin objects :-( So what's the alternative to using rsync? I used to use the zip file at http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-4.htm but that doesn't exist any more! I've now managed to screw up my MKIV installation somehow, so I desperately need some way of getting the beta release re-installed without rsync. There is also http://minimals.contextgarden.net/pragma/ Maybe it doesn't contain the latest ConTeXt, but at least it should work (I can update it at any time, but I have a feeling that it now contains the latest stable release). An alternative is to use ssh port forwarding, but I'm not sure how this can be done (there have already been some discussions about that, so it must be somewhere in archives). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Placing footnotes in right margin en bloc at bottom of page
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Re: [NTG-context] Paragraph or item goes on a new page along with section (MkIV only)
Datuma 22. srpnja 2010. 17:32 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl je napisao/la: just in the process of optimizing it ... you can run some tests with \let\dopreventbreakafterstructureheadauto\relax and see if heads end up along at the bottom It seems you fixed it, at least in MTXrun | current version: 2010.07.27 16:30 it works fine. Thanks! -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:00:09PM -0700, David Rogers napisa#322;(a): * Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [2010-07-28 00:57]: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? And what's wrong with Negro? AFAIK, it means black, so it just describes the reality. This is what a word should do, right? And btw, the term Afroamerican doesn't really make much sense to me: what would you call a Negro, born in France, and living in Germany, when you wanted to distinguish him from a white man? (Please note that by man, I mean a human being of any sex;).) To be more serious: I accept that there might be a problem caused by the fact that I am not a native speaker of English. I suspect that somehow the neutral term Negro started being used in a derogatory fashion, and that it might be unpleasant to black people to be called Negroes. And that's why I usually say just black people. Precisely. Some people began to use an ordinary word in a derogatory way. After that, the word came to be recognized as ONLY a derogatory word, and lost its status as an ordinary word. It then seemed that the best thing to do was to find a neutral word to replace the derogatory one, so that people could speak without being rude. But the new word became dirty as well, so a third word had to be brought into service. And so on. Part of the problem is that the meaning of a word can be changed by the intention of the speaker. Here's an example: I know a woman who moved here from another country. Іn the country where she lived before, there was a group of people she hated. When she says the name of that group, it is a dirty word. When I say the same word, it is neutral. And if we teach my friend a new word for that group of people, she will change our new word into a dirty word as well. Changing the syllables she utters does not change her intention. Good point. I would bet my money that Afroamerican would be rude in some 10-20 years if it were a shorter word... I suspect that it will be shortened to Afro or Afroam or something like that and only then will become derogatory... 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). Well, onerous might not be the best word. Scary might be better. You see, I am quite convinced that trying to manipulate language by hand is a very bad idea. Maybe this is partly because I live in a former Communist country (Poland); we have seen such things in the past. In many cases, marginalized groups do request language changes, but very often those requested changes then receive very strong support from the Man. Without that institutional support (mainly from government agencies and schools), probably some of the new words would stick; others would not. Some new words may be perfectly appropriate; others are difficult to understand or even contrary to the truth. (One example: in the area where I live, a person who requires treatment in a mental hospital is called a mental health consumer - yet mental health is not something that can be consumed. One of the local men, who has spent much of his life in mental hospitals and has become an activist for improving the conditions there, rejects such nonsensical labels and insists on being called a crazy person.) And that's both funny and quite reasonable. Regards -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new beta
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 19:00, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hi, I uploaded a new beta that can deal with the new mplib. The biggest side effect of the new lib is that no longer formats are made and that the 'format related code' (read: metafun) is loaded at runtime. mtx-update still seems to generate metapost formats (but maybe I'm wrong, I need to have a closer look). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:39:09AM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisa#322;(a): On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable exceptions. Also note that better/worse fit for one particular purpose is completely unrelated to better/worse in general.) I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has decided to accept and repeat this fact over and over, and men will generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the attempt), then it will come to appear as true. But that doesn't make it any less BS. No no, I've seen excellent scientific research on this question. It was in a German periodical of 1938. The article explained why women can't do math. I also gave a rigorous demonstration that Poles are genetically inferior to Germans and can only be plumbers or thieves... But seriously: Marcin, I would recommend you stop posting on this. All you show is your complete lack of intellectual awareness. You're embarrassing yourself, and that's all. Why? Only because I don't believe some claims I find to be highly controversial? And BTW, where's the famous freedom of speech? I do not claim that I have any research behind my opinion, but I claim that neither have you. Any experiment in social science involves so many factors that obtaining any certain results is imho nearly impossible. And I do not find anything which would mean that women are worse than men just because they are different. Of course, it might be the case that I am just not right, but I don't think that being not right is embarassing when you have no proofs in either direction. In other words: I cannot imagine an experiment which might prove any of us wrong on this subject, and I can see some hints which support your claim and some which support mine. Regards -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new beta
On 28-7-2010 2:55, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 19:00, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hi, I uploaded a new beta that can deal with the new mplib. The biggest side effect of the new lib is that no longer formats are made and that the 'format related code' (read: metafun) is loaded at runtime. mtx-update still seems to generate metapost formats (but maybe I'm wrong, I need to have a closer look). that will stay but is harmless, after all there will be two metaposts in the future: 1 with format (frozen) and 2 without Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:29:49AM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? And what's wrong with Negro? AFAIK, it means black, so it just describes the reality. This is what a word should do, right? And btw, the term Afroamerican doesn't really make much sense to me: what would you call a Negro, born in France, and living in Germany, when you wanted to distinguish him from a white man? (Please note that by man, I mean a human being of any sex;).) To be more serious: I accept that there might be a problem caused by the fact that I am not a native speaker of English. I suspect that somehow the neutral term Negro started being used in a derogatory fashion, and that it might be unpleasant to black people to be called Negroes. And that's why I usually say just black people. So what is your issue here then? You are already working by the rules I proposed: using the words that the group wishes to be called by (or at least not using the words which they don't). I guess the difference lies at least in one point: black man is something that *means* a black man. Afroamerican means nothing or something different. I prefer to use words in *their* meanings. And (though I am not sure about it at all) I think it might be the case that the introduction of black people instead of Negroes might have been more spontaneous, and Afroamericans seems to be supported by some governmental/lobbyist groups. BTW, 'Negro' is definitely not a term to be used for referring to black Americans. IIRC, it is a positive term in Brazil. The point is to be aware of these things and to respect people's wishes regarding them, rather than blithely pretending that any name you use should automatically be fine simply because, well, YOU don't see the problem with using the term Negro (for instance). The point is, is it the wishes of the people involved, or the wishes of some groups who *claim* to represent them? 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). Well, onerous might not be the best word. Scary might be better. You see, I am quite convinced that trying to manipulate language by hand is a very bad idea. Maybe this is partly because I live in a former Communist country (Poland); we have seen such things in the past. Another reason maybe that it seems to me that one of the first groups to talk about political correctness (maybe even coining the phrase, I don't know) were feminists, who did so much more harm to women in general than we usually imagine. I understand your sensitivity vis a vis Regime Imposed language tuning. You have got to be kidding me with that anti-feminist talk, though. I'm not going to go there with you, especially after your explanation below. Well, you don't have to. Maybe it would be a good idea to mention that I know some women who have the same opinion as me on feminism. This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a depressing thought. I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable exceptions. Also note that better/worse fit for one particular purpose is
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
Hi! Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit : So, as several other posters already said: It's not the words who are to blame, but the speakers and their mind sets... Let me just add a comment about he/she and the willing of the speakers. In Esperanto, there is li = he ŝi = she (same pronunciation) ĝi = it (pronounce ĝ like j in just : dj) The neutral is used when you do not specify the gender (like speaking about a cat without specifying male or female) or when there is no gender (for an object). But Zamenhof, the initiator of Esperanto, said you also use it for young humans, like babies. So it is a real neutral form. But people want to keep their own use (the use from their language) and only keep ĝi for objects. (even if, for example in English, one uses she when speaking about ones boat!!) Some other want to have ŝli as neutral. Other again want to suppress li and ŝi and only have ri. There is no solution to the problem; any solution will find people not agreeing for one or another reason. But one has to try to avoid discrimination. Alain ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
Does http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-2.htm help? -- Vedran Miletić I used to update to the latest beta using download-2, but it doesn't contain new binaries and dll's etc. There is also http://minimals.contextgarden.net/pragma/ Maybe it doesn't contain the latest ConTeXt, but at least it should work (I can update it at any time, but I have a feeling that it now contains the latest stable release). At the above address, there is a .zip file called mswin.zip which appears to contain binaries etc (dated 28-May-2010). Plus another one called mswincontext.zip which presumably contains everything else (dated 17-April-2008). How would I make use of these to install the full distribution? What would be really nice is a .zip file containing EVERYTHING needed to install ConTeXt for the latest stable release AND another .zip (produced, say, once a month) with the changes since the stable release! Or failing that, just a big .zip file with everything in it once a month or so. I can dream! An alternative is to use ssh port forwarding, but I'm not sure how this can be done (there have already been some discussions about that, so it must be somewhere in archives). Mojca I've tried to understand all the ssh stuff in the mail archive and elsewhere but it makes my head spin! Thanks for your help, Richard Converteam UK Ltd. Registration Number: 5571739 and Converteam Ltd. Registration Number: 2416188 Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: Boughton Road, Rugby, Warwickshire, CV21 1BU. CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. http://www.converteam.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] lecturer
Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? Thomas Name of contribution: lecturer Author's name: Paul Isambert Location on CTAN: macros/generic Summary description: On-screen presentations with PDF features for (almost) all formats. License type: lppl Announcement text given by the package's contributor: -- Lecturer creates slides for on-screen presentations based on PDF features without manipulating TeX's typesetting process. The presentation flow relies on PDF's abilities to display content step by step. Features include: - Free positioning of anything anywhere in painted areas on the slide, as well as in the main textblock. - Numerous attributes to control the layout and the presentation flow, from TeX's primitive dimensions to the visibility of steps. - Feature inheritance from global to local settings, with intermediate types. - Basic drawing facilities to produce symbols, e.g. for list items or buttons. - Colors, transparency, shades, and pictures. - Navigation with links, pop-up menus, and customizable bookmarks. - Easy switch between presentation and handout. - PDF transitions. Besides the traditional documentation, the distribution includes a visual doc (LecturerDemo-VisualDoc.pdf) and six demo presentations ranging from geometric abstraction to classic style to silly video game. Lecturer is designed for all formats except ConTeXt MkIV (because of clashes in management of PDF objects, probably), works only with pdfTeX and LuaTeX for the time being, and requires texapi and yax, both v.1.02. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost
in MKIV, please?
I have the following code:
\definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]}
\starttext
\startMPpage
input mp-tool;
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm;
label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
which gives a line feed between One and Two using MKII, but no line feed
in MKIV.
\defineframed[mplabel][frame=off,align=middle]
\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 5cm ;
label(textext(\mplabel{One\\Two}),origin)) ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Thanks for the suggestion, but I still don't get a line feed! I am using
ConTeXt from 15-May-2010, has something changed since then?
in pack-rul.mkiv add \unexpanded here:
\unexpanded\def\vboxednewline
{\endgraf\ignorespaces}
\unexpanded\def\hboxednewline
{\unskip\normalspace\ignorespaces}
and then remake the format
(it's a side effect of nested framed usage)
-
Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
Thanks Hans, that works.
Will this change be added to the next release, or do I have to
re-apply it manually?
Is \sometxt not recommended now? Should I be using textext throughout?
Richard
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Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV
On 28-7-2010 4:08, Richard Stephens wrote: Thanks Hans, that works. Will this change be added to the next release, or do I have to re-apply it manually? will be in next release Is \sometxt not recommended now? Should I be using textext throughout? \sometxt will stay - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 15:42, Richard Stephens richard.steph...@converteam.com wrote: At the above address, there is a .zip file called mswin.zip which appears to contain binaries etc (dated 28-May-2010). Plus another one called mswincontext.zip which presumably contains everything else (dated 17-April-2008). How would I make use of these to install the full distribution? mswincontext is not what it's supposed to be. One should install justtex.zip and mswin.zip ... but something must be wrong since I see now that justtex contains some windows binaries (which it shouldn't). What would be really nice is a .zip file containing EVERYTHING needed to install ConTeXt for the latest stable release AND another .zip (produced, say, once a month) with the changes since the stable release! Or failing that, just a big .zip file with everything in it once a month or so. I can dream! I'll try to think about something. But not too soon. (I could update the whole distribution at any moment though.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] figures after columns
hello all: I want to add a figure after a balanced \startcolumns ... \stopcolumns. When the last page uses less than aprox half a page, the figure appears after the text ends, but if the page uses about half a page o more, the figure jumps to the next page. The figure is small enough to fit in any case. Thankyou in advance for your help. Horacio Suarez ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] width of definetextbackground
Hi again, is there another approach (I didn't find an appropriate one in the documentations) to define a text block with a width larger than the actual text width? such a text block should be able to go over several page and be able to handle left and right pages (that is at the right page I want 2cm more for the right side and at left pages I want 2 cm more for the left side)? I appreciate any hint where to look for. Armin On 23-7-2010 8:49, var...@uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi Hans, hi guys, thanks for your answer, but, at least in my ConTeXt installation, it does not affect the width of the textbackground (see example 1). I also tried other approaches to set the width of a textbackground being larger than the actual text width. So far I solved it using \startnarrower. it's related to the negative rightskip ... i can fix it but i need to think a bit about side effects - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] figures after columns
On Wed, Jul 28 2010, Horacio Suarez wrote:
I want to add a figure after a balanced \startcolumns ... \stopcolumns.
When the last page uses less than aprox half a page, the figure appears
after the text ends, but if the page uses about half a page o more, the figure
jumps to the next page. The figure is small enough to fit in any case.
It's better to add a minimal example:
\starttext
\startcolumns
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stopcolumns
\placefigure{bla}{bla}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 12:43:42 luigi scarso wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I've just seen that there is Wolfgang this year... Also Alan... Plotting data with Metafun/Metapost ... explore alternative solutions including the possibilities to process numerical data through use of luaTeX. Hmm , it sounds like challenge to me .. Indeed, that is the point... Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: equality (was Grammar)
\startquotation Near Göttingen are two hills that are called Die Gleichen --``The Equals''. They were no doubt given this name because, when viewed from a certain angle, they look almost identical. It is reported that David Hilbert used to ask his students why these hills were so called. None of the obvious answers like ``equal height'' or ``equal shape'' satisfied this great scholar, who was a stickler for exactness. Finally he would give the answer himself: ``Because they are equal distances apart from one another.'' \stopquotation ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: OT (was OT: equality (was Grammar))
I seem to have a gift to start threads that manage to get already off topic grandchildren. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
On 28-7-2010 3:42, Richard Stephens wrote: What would be really nice is a .zip file containing EVERYTHING needed to install ConTeXt for the latest stable release AND another .zip (produced, say, once a month) with the changes since the stable release! Or failing that, just a big .zip file with everything in it once a month or so. I can dream! I've uploaded: www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/minimals-snapshots-common.7z www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/minimals-snapshots-mswin.7z www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/minimals-snapshots-linux.7z www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/minimals-snapshots-linux-64.7z www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/minimals-snapshots-ox-intel.7z making zips with changes is a no-go for several reasons - it costs me too much time to do that while most users can use rsync and the garden - uploading from here should happen in reasonable time (a few minutes at most) so, i can upload occasionally those zips (and probably need to be reminded every now and then) and it will be the latest then (it being current of beta) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] lecturer
On 07/28/2010 04:08 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? I helped Paul debugging the context support, but I do not really know how it does what it does. Knowing Paul's previous work, the output should look pretty good typographically, but I cannot say whether or not it will be easy to use and/or worthwhile for a context user. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Paragraph or item goes on a new page along with section (MkIV only)
On Wed, Jul 28 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote: just in the process of optimizing it ... you can run some tests with \let\dopreventbreakafterstructureheadauto\relax and see if heads end up along at the bottom It seems you fixed it, at least in MTXrun | current version: 2010.07.27 16:30 it works fine. Indeed, great! So you can perhaps close http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=389 now, Hans. Thanks, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] figures after columns
thankyou for your answer.
In this example, the text after columns jumps to another page, but there is
enough room for it.
\starttext
\startcolumns
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stopcolumns
hola que tal
\stoptext
what iñm missing?
thankyou for your help.
Horacio Suarez
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:31:33 +0200
From: pmli...@free.fr
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] figures after columns
On Wed, Jul 28 2010, Horacio Suarez wrote:
I want to add a figure after a balanced \startcolumns ... \stopcolumns.
When the last page uses less than aprox half a page, the figure appears
after the text ends, but if the page uses about half a page o more, the
figure
jumps to the next page. The figure is small enough to fit in any case.
It's better to add a minimal example:
\starttext
\startcolumns
\input tufte
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stopcolumns
\placefigure{bla}{bla}
\stoptext
Cheers, Peter
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Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: Indeed, that is the point... Alan Ok, I choose these guns for the moment: Linux 32bit, last minimals. Give me 3 targets to shot and let me choose what I like. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] footnote missing
Hello,
Example:
\starttext
\startlocalfootnotes
AAA\footnote{aaa}
\placelocalfootnotes
\stoplocalfootnotes
BBB\footnote{bbb}
\startlocalfootnotes
CCC\footnote{ccc} % footnote missing
\placelocalfootnotes
\stoplocalfootnotes
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
Am 2010-07-26 um 15:20 schrieb Jano Kula: There are few weeks left till the 4th ConTeXt Meeting on September 13-18, 2010 in Brejlov, Czech Republic. We have collected interesting talks and tutorials (25+) on ConTeXt, LuaTeX, Lua, fonts, OpenType math, Metapost and more: http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/abstracts.shtml ... After the deadline, the registration for the meeting is still open until we reach the available capacity. I'm really tempted to attend! Would anyone from Switzerland or southern Germany share a car? (Fastest route for me would be via Stuttgart-Nürnberg, but via Ulm or München would also be possible.) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
Am 28.07.10 21:20, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2010-07-26 um 15:20 schrieb Jano Kula: There are few weeks left till the 4th ConTeXt Meeting on September 13-18, 2010 in Brejlov, Czech Republic. We have collected interesting talks and tutorials (25+) on ConTeXt, LuaTeX, Lua, fonts, OpenType math, Metapost and more: http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/abstracts.shtml ... After the deadline, the registration for the meeting is still open until we reach the available capacity. I'm really tempted to attend! Would anyone from Switzerland or southern Germany share a car? (Fastest route for me would be via Stuttgart-Nürnberg, but via Ulm or München would also be possible.) You can travel with me but you have to come to Nuremberg then, the best would be to contact Ulrik Vieth, he lives in Stuttgart and has the same route as you. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?
While \MODULA\ taught me to structure, \TEX\ taught me to think recursive. I would certainly go along with the teaching structure part for Modula! ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?
As I am working in China at the moment, rsync only works sporadically (super slow, possibly not at all for a couple of days, then at high speed for a day or two), kind of soft blocked. Having clobbered my installation of minimals (and other things) because of it, Not a solution, but a crutch: zip up the whole minimals folder before running rsync. For me that's just under 130MB. Date the file, keep a few... Maybe the now suggested solution will work for me sometime in the future. Currently I am on holiday outside of China. rsync works like a charm in Indonesia. Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] lecturer
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? Just glanced at the documentation...interesting. Name of contribution: lecturer Author's name: Paul Isambert Location on CTAN: macros/generic Summary description: On-screen presentations with PDF features for (almost) all formats. License type: lppl Announcement text given by the package's contributor: -- Lecturer creates slides for on-screen presentations based on PDF features without manipulating TeX's typesetting process. The presentation flow relies on PDF's abilities to display content step by step. This is similar to what Hans' presentation modules do...each step is a new layer on the slide and clicking on screen toggles visibility. The interesting feature is that page down and page up also step the slides, so this can be used with a wireless presenter (while Hans's modules cannot). Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 21:20:55 Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Would anyone from Switzerland or southern Germany share a car? (Fastest route for me would be via Stuttgart-Nürnberg, but via Ulm or München would also be possible.) Arthur and I will most likely be coming by car from Paris, the route going through southern Germany. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
