Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote: it could have been forked, branched, content added, pull request made. with svn: wait for access - commit ;) -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote: The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One of the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy. I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it was just a bit more complicated. I'm just lucky doing my 3 svn-commits per year, and with git I would do git-commits. -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote: On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote: The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One of the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy. I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it was just a bit more complicated. +1 from me: I have exactly the same experience personally. I'm just lucky doing my 3 svn-commits per year, and with git I would do git-commits. +1 again. The manual is on supelec because that is where the metapost and luatex repositories are, and it is a subversion repo because when the project was first added, the software system on supelec did not understand git. The current version of Forge does support git repos, but I never switched since (as I wrote above) I have a small personal preference for subversion. So it would be possible to have a git on supelec; for that reason there is no need to switch to github. There may be a small advantage to staying with supelec as then the main project URL does not have to change. OTOH, supelec's email stuff breaks easily and somewhat often. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata
On 2013–09–26 Peter Münster wrote: On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than keeping them on an svn server? Why? In my opinion, for the “3 commits per year” it doesn't really matter which version control system is being used. No particular git feature is required for such a simple and low-traffic code base as the manual. For me it's more a choice of infrastructure. It is easier to collaborate on github. It's popular, people know how to use it and it doesn't require an invitation. Github's GUI is more friendly to beginners not familiar with revision control systems. The simpler it is to contribute the more likely it is for people to do so. But, I agree, there are valid reasons to stay with supelec, the main one being that it's already there. Still, I would support a change. More importantly I would like to see people actually contributing. Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata
On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Marco Patzer wrote: More importantly I would like to see people actually contributing. +1 And it would be no problem for me (and for other contextman members) to apply contributed patches. Whoever wants to contribute without worrying about the VCS can send a patch here. -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On 9/27/2013 3:38 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote: On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote: The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One of the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy. I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it was just a bit more complicated. +1 from me: I have exactly the same experience personally. I'm with Taco and Peter on this one. SVN is part of my everyday workflow; Git requires a lot more reading and fumbling. However I know the need to be fluent with Git is becoming more and more prevalent, and for many people it's already the easiest thing. So I wouldn't argue against moving to Git. I'm just reporting my preference. BTW I committed several changes to the manual yesterday, and plan to do a fair bit more in the coming week or two. I would appreciate if someone knowledgeable could check and make sure that I haven't said things that are misleading or incorrect. Lars ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On 9/26/2013 9:10 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Github seems to be the most popular DVCS hosting site at the moment. For manuals, I think that Github is particularly useful because you can click on edit and make the change. Github automatically creates a fork, a new branch, and pull request for you. So the technical barrier to participation is low. I would question the perception that the technical barrier to participation on Github is low. Not long ago I tried to submit a patch to a project on Github, improving documentation and adding features. It took several hours (distributed over a couple of weeks) to learn how to do all that was required. It was *not* automatic. It strongly discouraged me from making more contributions to that project. Maybe some major things have changed on Github since then. In any case, I have no doubt that once you know the system, and have the infrastructure set up, it's easy to participate. And I'm not saying that SVN makes it easy for non-SVN users to participate. All I'm saying is that for non-Git users, the technical barrier to participation was substantial, last time I tried it. Again, I'm not arguing against a move to Git. I would just like to contribute my recent experience toward a well-informed decision process. Lars ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
Dnia 2013-09-27, o godz. 09:10:04 Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org napisał(a): On 9/26/2013 9:10 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Github seems to be the most popular DVCS hosting site at the moment. For manuals, I think that Github is particularly useful because you can click on edit and make the change. Github automatically creates a fork, a new branch, and pull request for you. So the technical barrier to participation is low. I would question the perception that the technical barrier to participation on Github is low. Not long ago I tried to submit a patch to a project on Github, improving documentation and adding features. It took several hours (distributed over a couple of weeks) to learn how to do all that was required. It was *not* automatic. It strongly discouraged me from making more contributions to that project. Maybe some major things have changed on Github since then. In any case, I have no doubt that once you know the system, and have the infrastructure set up, it's easy to participate. And I'm not saying that SVN makes it easy for non-SVN users to participate. All I'm saying is that for non-Git users, the technical barrier to participation was substantial, last time I tried it. Again, I'm not arguing against a move to Git. I would just like to contribute my recent experience toward a well-informed decision process. Just my 3 cents. I am not a heavy Git user (though I am quite accustomed to Mercurial instead), and I agree that the entry point for Git is not very low. However, it seems that nowadays, for a *new* user, learning to use SVN is pointless (unless he joins a project where SVN is used etc.): distributed VCSs seem to be just much better (and I heard that SVN has its own problems, too). So I would perceive this question as touching a demography issue: younger people are more likely to know/use Git (and not know SVN), older folk might know/use SVN. Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit. I don't know whether SVN has something similar. Lars Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Marcin Borkowski wrote: However, it seems that nowadays, for a *new* user, learning to use SVN is pointless For our use case (enhancing the documentation) that's a nonissue: git or svn, there is nothing to learn, just pull, edit, commit. 3 lines on the project web page will show you what to do. Of course, if you choose a complicated workflow (maintaining several branches, test and validation cycles, commit signatures, and so on), then git would be a good choice, and yes, then you'll have to learn it. But please don't spend more time with the DVCS than with the improvement of the manual... ;) -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
On 9/27/2013 3:26 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit. I don't know whether SVN has something similar. github has a nice windows backend but (as with more open source developments) the real nice stuff is closed ... i tried several times but never could install easily some git server infrastructure similar to github on a (linux) server so at our company we stay with svn (but i keep copies of the context-on-github on my machine, but only for viewing) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] question about linespace adjustment
On 9/26/2013 3:47 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 25.09.2013 um 23:45 schrieb Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org:
Wolfgang, thanks for your response.
On 9/25/2013 5:02 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
You can’t expect from \tfa etc. to change the interlinespace because these
commands can be used in your paragraphs to change the size of certain
words only and in this case you don’t want a forced change of the
interlinespace.
Well... \switchtobodyfont[20pt] can also be used in paragraphs to change
the size of just a few words.
But the above suggests that \switchtobodyfont shouldn't be used for that
purpose, and commands like \tfc should?
You can use \switchtobodyfont to change the size for certain parts of a text
but it’s best to keep this to a minimum because \tfa etc. are a lot faster.
The reason why you don’t need \setupinterlinespace when you use
\switchtobodyfont is that \setupinterlinespace is already called by
\switchtobodyfont.
OK, good to know.
Another thing which shouldn’t be forgotten is that \switchtobodyfont
controls and changes the sizes for \tfa etc.
Can you elaborate on that?
A few days ago, Luigi wrote,
\tfc augment the fontsize of a factor of 1.728
It's relative to the default font size not to the current fontsize
So when he says relative to the default font size, does that mean the
same thing as relative to the current body font size? I think so. The
following example shows that the function of \tfc is relative to the
size set by \switchtobodyfont:
{\tfc tfc \tfc tfc}
{\switchtobodyfont[20pt] 20pt \tfc tfc}
{\switchtobodyfont[6pt] 6pt \tfc tfc}
Here the text after \tfc appears in three different sizes, proportional
to (and larger than) the \switchtobodyfont setting in effect. However,
the first line shows us that \tfc is *not* affected by previous effects
of \tfc. So as Luigi said, there is a distinction between the current
font size (which is affected by \tfc), and the default font size -- or
maybe it should be described as the current body font size -- which is
not affected by \tfc.
Is that correct?
So does \tfc mean set the current font size to be three steps up from
the current body font size?
Thanks. I'm contributing clarifications into the manual as I come to
understand how things are designed to work.
Lars
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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn
Maybe we can have the best of both: https://gist.github.com/ticean/1556967 ? On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 9/27/2013 3:26 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit. I don't know whether SVN has something similar. github has a nice windows backend but (as with more open source developments) the real nice stuff is closed ... i tried several times but never could install easily some git server infrastructure similar to github on a (linux) server so at our company we stay with svn (but i keep copies of the context-on-github on my machine, but only for viewing) Hans --**--**- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl --**--**- __**__** ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/** listinfo/ntg-context http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/**projects/contextrev/http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __**__** ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Repeat second-level registers within index
On 9/26/2013 12:16 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
···date: 2013-09-24, Tuesday···from: Thangalin···
Hi,
How do you prevent ConTeXt from hiding (collapsing?) duplicate level 2
index items?
For example:
\startitem
5 array \index{hedgehog+SECTION A}hedgehog
\stopitem
\startitem
7 army \index{herring+SECTION A}herring
\stopitem
\startitem
100 bloat \index{hippopotamuses+SECTION A}hippopotamuses
\stopitem
The text SECTION A will only appear once in the index, right after
hedgehog. I would like it to appear once per index term, always.
Confirmed. The subentries aren’t shown if:
- entries that share a subentry (level 2) are indexed
consecutively, and
- these entries are different but belong in the same register
section (same initial letter)
Example:
\starttext
\placeindex
\page
\index{a+foo}whatever %% shows up
\index{aa+foo} whatever %% doesn’t
\index{aaa+foo} whatever %% doesn’t
\index{+bar} whatever %% shows up
\index{a+foo}whatever %% shows up
\index{aa+foo} whatever %% doesn’t
\stoptext
If you s/bar/foo/ in the fourth invocation of \index, only the
first entry (“a”) of the register will have the subentry “foo”.
Change the initial letters of each entry and all subentries are
printed.
can you run tests with (line 695 in strc-reg):
for i=1,4 do -- max 4
if list[i] then
e[i] = list[i][1]
end
if e[i] ~= done[i] then
if e[i] and e[i] ~= then
done[i] = e[i]
for j=i+1,4 do done[j] = false end
if n == i then
context.stopregisterentries()
context.startregisterentries(n)
else
while n i do
n = n - 1
context.stopregisterentries()
end
while n i do
n = n + 1
context.startregisterentries(n)
end
end
local internal = entry.references.internal or 0
local seeparent = entry.references.seeparent or
local processor = entry.processors and
entry.processors[1] or
if metadata then
context.registerentry(processor,internal,seeparent,function()
helpers.title(e[i],metadata) end)
else -- ?
context.registerentry(processor,internal,seeindex,e[i])
end
else
done[i] = false
for j=i,4 do done[j] = false end
end
end
end
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Re: [NTG-context] Repeat second-level registers within index
Hi, I changed lines 695 in bin/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/strc-reg.lua to the above. I re-ran context against my test case and Philipp's example. Actual results: a foo 2 *aa 2 aaa 2 *bar 2 a foo 2 aa 2 Expected results: a foo 2 aa *foo 2 *aaa *foo 2 * bar 2 a foo 2 aa 2 Kindest regards. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Repeat second-level registers within index
Thank you, Hans. The error still seems to be present. Out of curiosity, what does max 4 mean? Does it limit the index nesting levels? For my project, I require 5 nesting levels -- is that possible? Kind regards. strc-reg.lua Description: Binary data ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Repeat second-level registers within index
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Thangalin wrote: Hi, I changed lines 695 in bin/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/strc-reg.lua to the above. Did you regenerate the format: context --make Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Module documentation broken
Hi, the module documentation is broken when it contains certain macros, e.g. \METAPOST. mtxrun --script modules --process auto:meta-pag.mkiv yields pagesflushing realpage 1, userpage 1 pagesflushing realpage 2, userpage 1 error: .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/node-fnt.lua:129: attempt to index field '?' (a boolean value) system tex error on line 20 in file ../meta-pag-mkiv.ted: ? ... Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Repeat second-level registers within index
Hi, I did not. I have since run *context --make* and the second-level registers are working. Thank you. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
