Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
Taco Hoekwater wrote: A quick test looks fine to me. What precisely is wrong? My test file to reproduce the problem is at the end of this message. When executing this test file, you should see numbers in table 2 are not correctly aligned. When you comment \starttableau and \stoptableau, columns are correctly aligned. It seems the problem exists only when table 1 and table 2 have not the same number of columns. Thanks for your help, Nicolas Grilly %testfile \setuppapersize [A4, landscape] [A4, landscape] \definestartstop[tableau][ before={\blank[2*big]}, commands={\switchtobodyfont[10pt]}, after={\blank[big]} ] \setupTABLE[column][each][align=middle, aligncharacter=yes, alignmentcharacter={,}] \starttext \subject{Table 1 - Numbers in this table are correctly aligned} \starttableau \bTABLE \bTR \bTH Nombre de trucs \eTH \bTH Evolution des trucs \eTH \bTH Revenu des trucs \eTH \bTH Evolution des trucs \eTH \eTR \bTR \bTD 38 229 \eTD \bTD +8,3\% \eTD \bTD 387 930 k\$ \eTD \bTD +8,3\% \eTD \eTR \bTR \bTD 29 616 \eTD \bTD +7,0\% \eTD \bTD 272 241 k\$ \eTD \bTD +0,7\% \eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stoptableau \subject{Table 2 - Numbers in these tables are not aligned} \starttableau \bTABLE \bTR \bTH Nombre de trucs \eTH \bTH Part des trucs \eTH \bTH Evolution des trucs \eTH \bTH Revenu des trucs \eTH \bTH Part des trucs \eTH \bTH Evolution des trucs \eTH \eTR \bTR \bTD 27 269 \eTD \bTD 92,1\% \eTD \bTD +7,3\% \eTD \bTD 127 110 k\$ \eTD \bTD 46,7\% \eTD \bTD -2,0\% \eTD \eTR \bTR \bTD 20 084 \eTD \bTD 67,8\% \eTD \bTD +1,6\% \eTD \bTD 65 770 k\$ \eTD \bTD 24,2\% \eTD \bTD +2,7\% \eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stoptableau \stoptext ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
Hello Taco, Thanks for this new release. But it seems the fix for the bug column alignment in natural tables doesn't work. I installed and tried this new release with the examples Peter and I posted some days ago on this list and the columns of last table are still mis-aligned. Or I have a problem with my ConTeXt installation, or there is an issue with the bug fix. Any advice? Nicolas On 8/7/06, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am pleased to announce that the new ConTeXt release from Hans Hagen can be downloaded as of now from the Pragma ADE website or one of its mirrors. http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip http://context.aanhet.net/context/current/cont-tmf.zip http://mirror.contextgarden.net/context/current/cont-tmf.zip The current release has version 2006.08.04 A very short list of changes is given below. As usual, there is an html page with more detailed release notes available on the Wiki, see: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Notes New features since 2006.07.28: * \framed (and -text) now support an [indenting=] key * support for russian hyphenation * new version of the bib module * \[lL]commaaccent character definitions Bugfixes: * column alignment in natural tables * image inclusion: * bounding box discovery using rli files fixed * fix for Aleph in global TRT documents * some still-needed definitions from former supp-pdf re-instated * disappearing subtextblocks * unicode table 002 fix * some identation problems removed Happy TeXing, Taco Hoekwater ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- Garden - Conseil en Marketing Datamining Nicolas Grilly Tel +33 1 45 72 48 78 Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 www.garden-paris.com ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
/context/user/cont-sys.tex) korps : 12pt rm wordt geladen taal: patronen en-ec:ec-1-2:2 uk-ec:ec-2-2:2 de-texnansi:tex nansi-3-2:2 de-ec:ec-4-2:2 fr-texnansi:texnansi-5-2:2 fr-ec:ec-6-2:2 es-ec:ec-7-2:2 nl-texnansi:texnansi-8-2:2 nl-ec:ec-9-2:2 it-texnansi :texnansi-10-2:2 it-ec:ec-11-2:2 geladen specials: tex,postscript,rokicki geladen systeem : texexec.top geladen (./texexec.top specials: definitiefile tpd wordt geladen (c:/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex specials: definitiefile fdf wordt geladen (c:/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex) specials: fdf geladen ) specials: fdf,tpd geladen ) systems : system commands are enabled (c:/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-def.tex) (c:/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/sort-lan.tex) systems : begin file texexec at line 1 fonts : resetting map file list {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-empty.map} fonts : using map file: texnansi-public-lm {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/texnansi-public-lm.map} fonts : using map file: original-base {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-base.map} fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-public-lm.map} fonts : using map file: ec-base {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-base.map} fonts : using map file: original-ams-base {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-base.map} fonts : using map file: original-ams-euler {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-euler.map} fonts : using map file: original-public-lm {c:/tex/texmf-local/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-lm.map} (c:/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/pdfr-ec.tex) [1.1] systems : end file texexec at line 3 ){c:/tex/texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/lm/lm-ec.enc}c:/tex/texmf/fonts/type1/public/l m/lmr12.pfb Output written on texexec.pdf (1 page, 23276 bytes). Transcript written on texexec.log. TeXExec | runtime: 0.328 TeXExec | end of analysis TeXExec | TeXExec | TeXExec | version 6.2.0 - 1997-2006 - PRAGMA ADE/POD TeXExec | TeXUtil | version 9.1.0 - 1997-2005 - PRAGMA ADE/POD TeXExec | CtxTools | version 1.3.3 - 2004/2006 - PRAGMA ADE/POD TeXExec | TeXExec | testing interface en TeXExec | pdfTeX Version 3.141592-1.40.0-beta-20060213 (Web2c 7.5.5) TeXExec | ConTeXt ver: 2006.08.04 22:23 fmt: 2006.8.7 int: english mes: english TeXExec | TeXExec | testing interface nl TeXExec | pdfTeX Version 3.141592-1.40.0-beta-20060213 (Web2c 7.5.5) TeXExec | ConTeXt ver: 2006.08.04 22:23 fmt: 2006.8.7 int: dutch mes: dutch On 8/7/06, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Grilly wrote: Hello Taco, Thanks for this new release. But it seems the fix for the bug column alignment in natural tables doesn't work. I installed and tried this new release with the examples Peter and I posted some days ago on this list and the columns of last table are still mis-aligned. Or I have a problem with my ConTeXt installation, or there is an issue with the bug fix. Any advice? Works for me. what does texexec --check have to say? Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- Garden - Conseil en Marketing Datamining Nicolas Grilly Tel +33 1 45 72 48 78 Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 www.garden-paris.com ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
I completely reinstalled ConTeXt and tried one more time with the attached file, and I confirm it doesn't work correctly on my computer. I attached another test file, simpler than the previous one. Thanks, Nicolas On 8/7/06, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Grilly wrote: Hereunder is the output of texexec --check on my computer. Everything seems okay. Can you send me your test file in order I launch it on my computer? Your own file (attached). Can someone else try this, please? Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- Garden - Conseil en Marketing Datamining Nicolas Grilly Tel +33 1 45 72 48 78 Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 www.garden-paris.com character_alignment_bug.tex Description: TeX document ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
Taco Hoekwater wrote: This should do it: \def\popTBL {\ifnum\TBLlevel\plusone \globalpopmacro\rowTBL \globalpopmacro\colTBL \else \global\intablefalse \fi \resetcharacteralign % Do this here !! \doglobal\decrement\TBLlevel\relax} Yes, it works! :-) But what do you think about a simpler solution: - In \def\popTBL, don't add line \resetcharacteralign - In \def\dobTABLE, move \resetcharacteralign just before \bgroup On my computer, it fixes the bug without adding something to \def\popTBL. Is it correct? Thanks, Nicolas ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context 2006.08.04 released
I'm sorry to come with another problem related to character alignment... My natural tables are enclosed in a \starttableau \stoptableau pair that breaks character alignment: \starttableau \bTABLE ... \eTABLE \stoptableau These command is defined this way: \definestartstop[tableau][ before={\blank[2*big]}, commands={\switchtobodyfont[10pt]}, after={\blank[big]} ] Why does it break column alignment? Is it normal? Thanks... Nicolas ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] A bug in character alignment?
Peter: Thanks for your help in clarifying my example. Taco: Thanks for fixing this bug! When will the next release be delivered? On 8/2/06, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Münster wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nicolas Grilly wrote: Sorry, I can't see it. The column are right-aligned, which is normal, since there is no alignment-character. No, it is not normal. ConTeXt Wiki says if there's no alignmentcharacter in the cell, the content will be aligned in the following way depending on the value of \characteralignmentmode. By default, characteralignmentmode=4. Therefore, according to the wiki, cell content should be aligned on the last character of each cell. Ok, by right-aligned I wanted to say: aligned at the right-most character. Now I see your problem: the values are still aligned at the right-most character, but the whole column is pushed a bit to the right. It was definately a bug. We found it and it will be fixed in the next ConTeXt release. Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- Garden - Conseil en Marketing Datamining Nicolas Grilly Tel +33 1 45 72 48 78 Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 www.garden-paris.com ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Charts, Graphs, Tufte, and ConTeXt
Karl Ove Hufthammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes! R (especially using the new grid and lattice framework) produces excellent charts and graphs, with very sensible default options (much of it based on Cleveland's research). What is Cleveland's research? Can you provide references on the web? Thank you, Nicolas Grilly ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] How to increase left and right padding of cells in a natural table?
Hello, I'm using natural tables (\bTABLE ... \eTABLE) andI want to increase the space between the cells borders and the text inside the cells (CSS calls that left-padding and right-padding). I didn't use parameter "offset" because I want to increase only left and right padding. I don't want to increase top and bottom padding. How can I do that? Thanks for your ideas, Nicolas --Nicolas GrillyGarden - Agence conseil en CRMMarketing multicanal - Etudes clients - Système d'informationTel +33 1 45 72 48 78 - Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 - www.garden-paris.comSkype : ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] How to increase left and right padding of cells in a natural table?
Vit, I just tried your solution, but it doesn't work: it adds space to the four side of table cells. But I want to add space ONLY TO LEFT AND RIGHT, not to top and bottom, like in the following illustration: - |My text| - --offset-- --offset-- Nicolas Grilly wrote: Hello, I'm using natural tables (\bTABLE ... \eTABLE) and/ /I want to increase the space between the cells borders and the text inside the cells (CSS calls that left-padding and right-padding). I didn't use parameter offset because I want to increase only left and right padding. I don't want to increase top and bottom padding. Let try offset=2pt,% hor+vert each cell distance=\zeropoint, % individual column columndistance=\zeropoint, % each column (whole table) leftmargindistance=\zeropoint, % whole table rightmargindistance=\zeropoint,% whole table Vit ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] How to increase left and right padding of cells in a natural table?
Hans, Thanks for your help, but I don't know where to put your code. I tried the following code (and other similar solutions) but it doesn't work: \bTABLE \bTR \bTH My Title \eTH \bTH Your title \eTH \eTR \bTR \bTD First try \eTD \bTD Second try \eTD \eTR \bTR \bTD First movie \eTD \bTD \leftskip1cm \leftskip\rightskip Second movie \eTD \eTR \eTABLE Moreover, I want to set this not for one table cell but for EVERY table cells. Do you have any advice? Nicolas -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Hans Hagen Envoyé : jeudi 22 juin 2006 16:03 À : mailing list for ConTeXt users Objet : Re: [NTG-context] How to increase left and right padding of cells in a natural table? Nicolas Grilly wrote: Vit, I just tried your solution, but it doesn't work: it adds space to the four side of table cells. But I want to add space ONLY TO LEFT AND RIGHT, not to top and bottom, like in the following illustration: - |My text| - inside the cell \leftskip1em \rightskip\leftskip - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/reportSpam?Id=MTk4NDk6MTM2ODc4OTg1O m5ncmlsbHlAb25seW15ZW1haWwuY29t ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] How to increase left and right padding of cells in a natural table?
Vit, Thanks for your quick answer. I tried your quick solution (\bTD \hskip1cm Second movie \hskip2cm\null\eTD) but it doesn't work when cell contains a multiline text: the left space is only present on the first line and the right space is only present on the last line. Andmy natural table have some cells containing two or three lines of text. Do you have any idea? Thanks, Nicolas PS: If someone is able to develop an extension to natural tables in order to have parameters like leftoffset, rightoffset, topoffset and bottomoffset in bTABLE and setupTABLE, my company is interested to pay some hours/days of development and release the result to ConTeXt project. Vit wrote: Vit, I just tried your solution, but it doesn't work: it adds space to the four side of table cells. But I want to add space ONLY TO LEFT AND RIGHT, not to top and bottom, like in the following illustration: - |My text| - inside the cell \leftskip1em \rightskip\leftskip Not to four sides but between columns. Rows distance is not affected. But you are right it does not increase distance between text and cell frame. Since natural tables uses \framed construct in each cell and \framed has no 'before'/'after'/'hoffset'/'leftoffset'/'rightoffset' it can not be simply set for whole natural table. Solution? a) quick: \bTD \hskip1cm Second movie \hskip2cm\null\eTD or with macro: \newdimen\lOffset \lOffset=1cm \newdimen\rOffset \rOffset=2cm \def\myNatTabCell#1{\bTD\hskip\lOffset#1\hskip\rOffset\null\eTD} ... \myNatTabCell{Second movie} ... b) systematic create alternative \extframed with 'before', 'after', 'hoffset', 'leftoffset', 'rightoffset', 'voffset', 'topoffset', 'bottomoffset' and add switches: \bTABLE[alternative=extframed,leftoffset=1cm,rightoffset=2cm] Vit Minimal example: --- \starttext \bTABLE[frame=on] \bTR \bTH My Title \eTH \bTH Your title \eTH \eTR \bTR \bTD First try \eTD \bTD Second try \eTD \eTR \bTR \bTD First movie \eTD \bTD \hskip1cm Second movie \hskip2cm\null\eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stoptext ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] A very little error in texmf.cnf
Fine. So, we need to change the following line from texmf.cnf: TEXMFPROJECTS = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-projects Into: TEXMFPROJECT = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-project Without that modification, the directory texmf-project is not included in TeX search path. Nicolas Hans wrote: Nicolas Grilly wrote: The issue is one expression is singular and the other one is plural. We need to have the same convention for each expression. So, yes, it's possible to change the other line to singular to fix this very little bug ;-) singular is what i want it to be (since i use it at all our machines) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] A very little error in texmf.cnf
Hans wrote: Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hans Hagen wrote: Nicolas Grilly wrote: There is a very little error in file /tex/texmf-local/web2c/texmf.cnf. This file is contained in archive justtex.zip downloaded from Pragma web site. It lacks a S after TEXMFPROJECT in definition of TEXMF : TEXMF = {!!$TEXMFPROJECTS,!!$TEXMFFONTS,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMF MAIN} eh ... why should that be plural? It should agree with this line, surely: TEXMFPROJECTS = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-projects ah, then that one should be singular (i always set that one in other setup scripts) TEXMFPROJECT = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-project The issue is one expression is singular and the other one is plural. We need to have the same convention for each expression. So, yes, it's possible to change the other line to singular to fix this very little bug ;-) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] A very little error in texmf.cnf
There is a very little error in file "/tex/texmf-local/web2c/texmf.cnf". This file is contained in archive "justtex.zip" downloaded from Pragma web site. It lacks a "S" after TEXMFPROJECT in definition of TEXMF : TEXMF = {!!$TEXMFPROJECTS,!!$TEXMFFONTS,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN} Sincerely, Nicolas -- Nicolas Grilly Garden - Conseil et Etudes CRM Marketing relationnel - Connaissance clients - Bases de données marketing Tel +33 1 45 72 48 78 - Mob +33 6 03 00 25 34 - www.garden-paris.com ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
This mini-survey is an excellent idea! What I do with ConTeXt: 1. Produce sales and marketing reports for my customers (we are a marketing and data mining consultancy). We have a very simple templating language written in Python that connects to an SQL database, generates the ConTeXt file, launchs ConTeXt and launchs Acrobat Reader to see the PDF file. 2. Produce totally personalized mailings for customers of companies we work for. Eveything is personalized: text, background, photos, etc. We produce it with the same templating solution (see previous point). We think ConTeXt is the perfect solution with regard to our needs (reporting and mailing). From our point of view, it has only two drawbacks: - The integration of new True Type fonts is a difficult and error prone process. One need to choose the appropriate encoding, create a .tfm file and write a map file. In order to simplify this, a future version of ConTeXt could natively use Unicode (no more need to choose an encoding) and could automatically create .tfm file on demand. - Absolute positionning is difficult. There is too many way to achieve the same result, difficult to understand, and the resulting code is very verbose. But I'm a beginner with ConTeXt! ;-) Thanks for your beautiful work on ConTeXt! Regards, Nicolas ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
I totally agree with the comparison you made of ConTeXt and LaTeX: With ConTeXt, you can produce something unique. With LaTeX, your document will look like a traditional research paper! -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Nikolai Weibull Envoyé : vendredi 4 novembre 2005 17:32 À : ntg-context@ntg.nl Objet : Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt? Taco Hoekwater wrote: What do you do with ConTeXT? I use ConTeXt for any document that I figure someone will want to print out on paper some day. This includes resumes, letters, and articles. I even considered typesetting software documentation with ConTeXt, but havent yet decided if PDFs are the right medium for that kind of text. I also typeset my masters thesis using ConTeXt and probably spent as much time hacking ConTeXt as I did on doing actual work for the content. Not because ConTeXt couldnt do what I wanted, but because ConTeXt allowed me to do anything I wanted. Having a lot of options can be time-consuming, as you want to try them all before deciding on the one that works best. This is both the good and the bad thing about ConTeXt. You can tweak and tweak and tweak, whereas with something like LaTeX you have a few boring designs and you just choose the one that suits the type of document your writing. And your document will look like five million other research papers outh there. I wanted something unique and ConTeXt was just the right tool for it. nikolai -- Nikolai Weibull: now available free of charge at http://bitwi.se/! Born in Chicago, IL USA; currently residing in Gothenburg, Sweden. main(){printf(linux[\021%six\012\0],(linux)[have]+fun-97);} ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
RE: [NTG-context] How can I minimize the vertical space taken bya \textrule
Hello, I agree with the idea that documentation of ConTeXt's commands and parameters is rather incomplete. I'm wondering if it's possible to have a documentation system like Java's Javadoc. We can put comments just before commands definitions and use a little preprocessor written in Perl or Python that parse TeX files in order to build a ConTeXt documentation like the manual titled ConTeXt commands. I'm looking forward your opinion about this. Nicolas -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Gerben Wierda Envoyé : vendredi 28 octobre 2005 00:06 À : mailing list for ConTeXt users Objet : Re: [NTG-context] How can I minimize the vertical space taken bya \textrule On Oct 27, 2005, at 21:00, Peter Rolf wrote: I already had \setuptextrules [before=,after=,inbetween=] but that does not work. It seems that inside my paragraph environment, the settings made outside it are ignored. I also do not have my \setupinterlinespace[medium] there (see other thread). Looks like a startstopparagraph problem to me. I've tested it without an environment, so maybe you are right. Have you tried to add some setups (\setuptexrules,..) to \setupparagraphs[...][...][before=??? or command=???] I had tried about everything I could think of. That's the one big problem with ConTeXt, it's most of the tim ea matter of trial and error and a difficult process of trial and error even. Documentation often does only mentions the existence of something without an explanation (arguments to commands are seldomly adequately explained). I have been fighting with layout parameters yesterday for a document I needed to keep within one page. I'm sure there is a (context-)way (but I have not used this command 'til today). Someone should fund Hans for writing true documentation. G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context