Re: [NTG-context] how to number poetry?
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 04:59:05PM -0400, Paul Tremblay wrote:
What is the best way to number lines of poetry?
1 This is the first line
This is the second line
...
5 this is the fifth
...
10 this is the tenth.
I can supply the number myself. I really don't want the numbers in the
margin. Instead, I want the whole poem indented right, with the
numbers left of the indent.
I have tried using tabulate, but tabulate doesn't let me control the
space between lines, or really cells.
Answering my own question. One posibility is:
\startitemize
\sym{1} This is the first line
\nop This is the second line
%% and so fourth
\stopitmeize
That allows you to control the space between the number and the actual
line. In addition, ConTeXt should (?) do a good job making sure a
single line doesn't become an orphan or widow.
The only drawback is that you cannot use hanging indents for long
lines:
This is the forest premiva. The mummuring pines and
the hemlocks
\startitemize
\sym{1} This is the forest premiva. The mummuring pines and
\nop \hskip12pt the hemlocs
%% and so fourth
\stopitmeize
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[NTG-context] how to number poetry?
What is the best way to number lines of poetry? 1 This is the first line This is the second line ... 5 this is the fifth ... 10 this is the tenth. I can supply the number myself. I really don't want the numbers in the margin. Instead, I want the whole poem indented right, with the numbers left of the indent. I have tried using tabulate, but tabulate doesn't let me control the space between lines, or really cells. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] is it possible to add lengths?
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:52:47AM +0200, Vit Zyka wrote: Mikael Persson wrote: On 7/9/05, Paul Tremblay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to add lengths in ConTexT? backspace= 55m + 1in Thanks Paul Hello Paul, I think backspace=\dimexpr(55mm+1in) should work. This sometimes works but correct syntax is backspace=\dimexpr 55mm+1in \relax vit Thanks. This works very nicely. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Headers, footers, page numbering
I have produced a nice little A5 pamphlet which I will be printing on A4
paper. I have had a lot of fun doing this and I am quite pleased that I was
able to install fonts and fleurons which I needed in the process. However,
I have a problem which I am having difficulty in solving. How can I stop
the Header, footer and page number being printed on the first page? I have
looked through the big Context manual but I can't figure it out. Any hints?
\setupheader[part][header=high]
\setupfooter[part][footer=high]
\part{}
Is one way to do this. Put this right before you start the text of
your first page. Since you have to use \part{} to get this to work,
you might have some side-affects, but usually it is easy to work
around these.
If you have already broken up your document into parts, such as
chapters or secions, use those instead of part:
\setupheader[chapter][header=high]
\setupfooter[chapter][footer=high]
\chater{}
http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/page3.html
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Re: [NTG-context] space between rows?
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:17:41PM +0200, Nikolai Weibull wrote: But thats obviously not what you want...Sorry. Perhaps you can use \setuptables[height=h,depth=d]?, nikolai No. I needed to make just certain rows with greater height. However, this tip will be useful in the future, so thanks! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] space between rows?
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Re: [NTG-context] force columns smaller in Table
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:18:57PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: From: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:18:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [NTG-context] force columns smaller in Table User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) \starttable [|c|lp(3cm)|] This works, but it had the unintended consequence of making a footnote in the same column the same width. The footnote on the bottom of the table looks like: 1 There was a recession in 1938 which damp ened sp ending on modernizing. Though, the 1938 figure was still above the spending of 1936. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] placing figures left with no wrap
How can I place a figure to the left of the page *without* having any
text wrap around it?
If I use:
\placefigure[here]{{\bf
figure 1.1: }Woolworth store in Lexington}{\externalfigure[WWORIG
ref]}
I get a graphic that is centered. I want to push the graphic to the
left of the page.
The only way I know how to achive this right now is with:
externalfigure[WWORIG ref]
\par
{\bf figure 1.1:} Woolworth store in Lexington
\par
But this method probably won't keep my captions and graphics together.
If the graphic is placed at the bottom of the page, my caption will
appear on the next page.
Do I need to save the graphic as a buffer and then place the buffer? I
coudln't find any directions on how to use buffer, though I swear I
saw it on the wiki.
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] placing figures left with no wrap
Thanks. I discovered that a bit ago and was just about to post what I
found out.
Now, I don't suppose there is any way to actually fine-tune the
placement? I asked this question about two months ago and since I
didn't get a response figured there was no way.
For example, I would like to indent the figures about 5 cm from the
left margin.
Paul
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:01:42AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
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Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:01:42 +0200
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] placing figures left with no wrap
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317)
Paul Tremblay wrote:
How can I place a figure to the left of the page *without* having any
text wrap around it?
If I use:
\placefigure[here]{{\bf
figure 1.1: }Woolworth store in Lexington}{\externalfigure[WWORIG
ref]}
I get a graphic that is centered. I want to push the graphic to the
left of the page.
The only way I know how to achive this right now is with:
externalfigure[WWORIG ref]
\par
{\bf figure 1.1:} Woolworth store in Lexington
\par
But this method probably won't keep my captions and graphics together.
If the graphic is placed at the bottom of the page, my caption will
appear on the next page.
Do I need to save the graphic as a buffer and then place the buffer? I
coudln't find any directions on how to use buffer, though I swear I
saw it on the wiki.
\definefloat [leftfigure][figure]
\setupfloat[leftfigure][location=left]
\setupcaption[leftfigure][style=bold]
\starttext
\input tufte
\placeleftfigure
{Woolworth store in Lexington}
{\externalfigure[WWORIGref]}
\input tufte
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] force columns smaller in Table
Is there a way to force colums to be narrower than the default in the Table (basic) table environment? The first line of my column is: Amount spent on store modernization by the chains The columns underneath are all single numbers, meaning they have huges spaces to the right: year Amount spent on store modernization by the chains === = 1933 33,000,000 1934 37,000,000 Do I have to use the more sophisticated TABLE module? (I hope not, because I have already laid out things with Table!) Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context, LaTeX, or an XML for academic writing?
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 01:41:00AM +0300, Ville Voipio wrote: One of the mixed blessings (=curses) brought about by computers is that now you need to be an academic writer, a typesetter, and a graphic artist at the same time. At this point the number of should-knows explodes. [snip] --- What I am trying to say is that choosing the tool is only one part of the project. Whichever tool you choose, you'll end up in trouble at some point. With some tools (WYSIWYG) you'll end up in worse trouble, but even with *TeX the road is bumpy at best, unless you really have a tested and proven templates which you can use. Yes, this is exactly the problem. I am laying out my girlfriend's thesis in historic preservation, and it is taking me forever. What a waste of time! The thesis is actually written in XML. Or rather, she has written it in MS Word, which I have converted to XML using a very sophisticated script (http://rtf2xml.sourceforge.net/). I then convert the file to ConTexT, and then to PDF. There are a million stupid details, like making sure the title on the cover page is exactly 3 inches from the top and so fourth. This is a waste of time. Why should we be forced to layout pages when we don't want to? Therefore I think a good argument can be made for universities eventually accepting a thesis in XML format. If they want to be so picky about layout, they should do it; the student should only be required to submit the basic information in a structured form. The assumption of the University is that everyone uses Word. This is a bad assumption. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Page number disappears after \page[empty]
My page number disappears for the first page after I issue a
\page[empy] command.
Here is an example from my file:
\page[empty] \part{}\setuppagenumbering[state=stop,
conversion=romannumerals]\setuppagenumber[number=3]\setupfootertexts[\vbox
{\centerline{\pagenumber{}}\vskip12pt }][][][]
\blank[12pt]\testpage[4]
The page number appears for subsequent pages.
Thanks
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[NTG-context] how to align footer text
How do I set up the space between the bottom of the page and my footer
text?
I need to setup a 1 inch margin at the bottom of the page. I need for
the pagenumber to be centered and 1/2 inch from the bottom. Here's
what I have:
\definelayout[MyCustomLayout][
topspace=1in,
header=0in,
bottomspace=1.0in,
bottomdistance=.5in,
footer=.5in,
footerdistance=1mm,
backspace=1.5in,
cutspace=.75in,
height=middle,
width=middle,]
\setuplayout[MyCustomLayout]
\part{}
setupfootertexts[\hfill{}\pagenumber{}\hfill{}][][\hfill{}\pagenumber{}\hfill{}][]
The problem with this setup is that the page number appears to close
to the bottom of the page.
Thanks
Paul
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Re: [NTG-context] how to control placement of floats
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 12:24:35AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
From: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul Tremblay wrote:
The manual and others have given good advice on how to do the most
basic placment of floats, such as forcing it onto a new page.
How does one get even more control. For example, if I want a
particular table to have 2 inches of space from the left margin, or if
I want to center my figures.
see details.pdf
This is the best I can come up with. This seems like a complete
hack. For one thing, the caption does not move with the graphic.
\placefigure
[here]{Portrait of Thoreau}{\setlayer[graphics][hoffset=1in,
voffset=1in]{\externalfigure[thoreau ref]}}
Paul
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Re: [NTG-context] looking for document ...
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 07:24:40AM +0200, Mikael Persson wrote: I guess you mean http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html and the pdf link from that page http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/csky-sample.pdf Yes! Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TABLE: spacing, before/after
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:09:11AM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: Hi, three questions: - How can I control horizontal spacing of columns in natural tables? - What about vertical spacing? - How can I insert material after/before each cell, something like \setuptable[row][first][before=bla bla] ? Thanks, Hi Eckhart, I think you might find some of the answers here: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/page5.html#id2258730 setupTABLE[r][1][heigth=24pt] setupTABLE[c][odd][width=12pt] % the page gives more examples Sorry if this is not what you are looking for. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TABLE: spacing, before/after
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 05:15:04PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: From: Eckhart Guthöhrlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:15:04 +0200 Subject: Re: [NTG-context] TABLE: spacing, before/after User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 at 10:04:09-0400, Paul Tremblay wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:09:11AM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: Hi, three questions: - How can I control horizontal spacing of columns in natural tables? - What about vertical spacing? - How can I insert material after/before each cell, something like \setuptable[row][first][before=bla bla] ? Thanks, Hi Eckhart, I think you might find some of the answers here: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/page5.html#id2258730 Nice overview, Paul. I had a quick glance, but I'm afraid the questions above are not addressed. Correct me if I'm wrong. setupTABLE[r][1][heigth=24pt] setupTABLE[c][odd][width=12pt] % the page gives more examples Sorry if this is not what you are looking for. Well, not exactly. By default, a column has the width of its widest entry. Using width=5cm, I can only define the absolute width of a column. But what I want is to increase the separation of adjectant columns. Whether this is achieved by adding space between columns or by setting their width to a certain amount wider than their natural width doesn't matter to me. You have already experienced the absence of a desirable feature yourself, but let me point out once again that this cannot be achieved by setting the rulethickness of the cell frame, since it is not possible to change left/right thickness from the top/bottom one, and frames are invisible but still take space if you deactivate them via e.g. topframe=off. Thanks for your page - it's surely of help, especially for newcomers, since tables (and the many different possibilities to produce them) are cumbersome in context. Greetings, Yes, I agree with the limitations of the TABLE module. Sorry I couldn't provide any better answer. When I get a chance, I'll put something on the page stating that a limitation of TABLE is the inability to set the space between columns. (Is it possible to set the space between columns using the more standard table module? I realize I didn't document this at all.) Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] TABLE: spacing, before/after
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 08:56:58PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 at 12:19:28-0400, Paul Tremblay wrote: Yes, I agree with the limitations of the TABLE module. Sorry I couldn't provide any better answer. When I get a chance, I'll put something on the page stating that a limitation of TABLE is the inability to set the space between columns. Well, maybe it will be possible for Hans to include support for the missing features in a future release. To sum it up once again, what I am missing: - control over column and row spacing - material before/after a cell, e.g. \setupTABLE[row][first][before=bla] - command hooks like \setupTABLE[1][3][hook=\dowithentry] I'm not sure what hooks are! I assume the before could be something like \blankspace? (Is it possible to set the space between columns using the more standard table module? I realize I didn't document this at all.) I have never tried it, but I think so. At the beginning of core-tbl, column modifiers i, j and k are claimed to do this. Since tabulate uses the same column specifiers as table, they should work with both. Untested ;-) I need to start thinking before I type! I have this in my tutorial. I guess I assumed you get the same result with TABLE by simple making a column very wide (width=25cm). Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] how to control placement of floats
The manual and others have given good advice on how to do the most basic placment of floats, such as forcing it onto a new page. How does one get even more control. For example, if I want a particular table to have 2 inches of space from the left margin, or if I want to center my figures. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] is there a way to control kearning and word spacing
I know that ConTeXt does a good job kearning and determing spaces between words. However, is there a way to actually specify different kearning and word spacing than the default? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] how to control placement of floats
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 12:24:35AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: From: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Tremblay wrote: The manual and others have given good advice on how to do the most basic placment of floats, such as forcing it onto a new page. How does one get even more control. For example, if I want a particular table to have 2 inches of space from the left margin, or if I want to center my figures. see details.pdf I couldn't figure out how to do what I want from this document, which is, very detailed. (Hence: details.pdf!) Let me ask more specific questions: 1. In order to control the placement of a float better, do I need to use \setupfloat[figure] \setupfloat[table] % etc ? 2. I want to place a table or a figure on a page. I want to move it, say, 10 cm from the left margin. How do I do this? 3. I want to create extra white space before and after the float. How do I do this? 4. Sometimes I want the text to flow around the float, and sometimes I don't. How do I do this? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] how to create subscripts and superscripts
Can someone tell me how to create subscripts and superscripts? I both looked in the main document and searched the the wiki garden and did not find anything. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] how to create subscripts and superscripts
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 10:24:27PM -0400, Steve Peter wrote:
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Paul Tremblay wrote:
Can someone tell me how to create subscripts and superscripts? I both
looked in the main document and searched the the wiki garden and did
not find anything.
Section 4.9 of the cont-enp.pdf manual?
Basically, \high{} will give you superscript, \low{} will give you
subscript, or you can enter ^{} or _{} in math mode.
Yes, there it is! But I couldn't find it in the index, and I kept
looking in typography.
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] how to create subscripts and superscripts
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 10:59:23PM -0400, Steve Peter wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 10:50 PM, Paul Tremblay wrote: But I couldn't find it in the index, Truth be told, I usually just use the Find function on Adobe Reader. :-) Never even occurred to me! I have printed out a hard copy of the book because navigating a PDF document is very slow and difficult. I had totally forgotten I have the PDF on my computer! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] looking for document ...
About a week ago I came across a very nice and interesting document in ConTeXt, and now for the life of me I can't fine it and want to. I believe the author is someone on this mailing list. The example was a book on astronomy or physics. The author described himself as a serious book maker. The actual book itself was set with very narrow pages with scholarly notes. There were two pages from the book. The second pages started with a graphic. Sound familiar? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] superior footnotes
Here is an example from my webpage. This example requires that you
type in each footnote manually, and it then converts the it to a
letter:
===
\setupfootnotes[way=bytext, conversion=characters]
% set the number manually
% the next footnote will be *3*
\setnumber[footnote]{2}
The twelve labors of Hercules\footnote{Hercules had to perform 12
near-impossible tasks to become a god} were trifling in comparison
with those which my neighbors have undertaken;
===
However, I think you want just to change where the footnote starts.
Hans sent me this about 3 weeks ago. I think it works, though I have
not tested it.
\setupnumber[footnote][start=45]
test \footnote{test} test
Paul
On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 11:08:59AM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:08:59 -0600
Subject: [NTG-context] superior footnotes
Dear posse,
1. With footnotes, is there yet a way to define the starting numeral-mark?
Say, I want my first footnote incremented so that the first notemark is , not
`1' then `2', but `1234' then `1235', etc.
2. I tried a workaround:
===
\defineconversion[set1234][1234]
\setupfootnotes [conversion=set 1234]
===
but a spurious numeral `1' gets typeset alongside the notemark. What am I
missing?
Finally, the ConTeXt footnote mechanism does not (afaik) take into account
superior numerals. We need a setup option, e.g.
===
\setupfootnotes [numeral=superior]%inferior, normal, with
% normal as default
===
to cut off the mechanism for automatically raising and reducing the size of
the numeral (\high I presume). Yes, there is the empty (text)command=empty
trick, but to use superior numerals all this should not be necessary.
Thnx as always
Idris
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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Re: [NTG-context] superior footnotes
On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 04:27:12PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Hi Paul, = Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl = Here is an example from my webpage. Url? http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/page4.html#id2254928 If ever this link dies, you can navigate by going to http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/index.html Hope that helps! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] paul tremblay's pages
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 06:50:12PM -0400, Ciro Soto wrote: I wonder what happened with the nice pages in http://www.geocities.com/paulhtremblay/context_xml/page2.html Sorry about that. The geocities location was just a temporary location. This location below is permanent and will remain permanent and because it is a sourceforge site there is a very good chance it will always be there. (sourceforge won't revoke my privileges like a university would if I wasn't a student, or like yahoo might if I wasn't a member anymore; sourceforge is very good about keeping things there forever.) Again, my apologies. The new site is: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/index.html Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] confused on font size
The main manual on ConTeXt give a number of different ways to change
font sizes (if I understand it correctly):
1. {\switchtobodyfont[18pt] text}
2. {\tfx font size ??}
3. {\xii some font}
What are the advantages of each? I would think that option (1) would
be the simplest and clearest to use.
Thanks
Paul
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[NTG-context] the right way to do \ref?
I want to create cross references and just wanted to make sure I am
doing it correctly:
see \ref[r][mark1] \par
\page
\reference[mark1]{} foo \par
Since my original file will be in XML, I don't need any of ConTeXt's
other more advanced features. I will use the above code to generate a
TOC, a list of tables, indices, etc.
I also saw \pagereference in the manual, but I think this is if you
use ConTeXt's other features, such as \section[mark1]{Title}
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] confused on which table
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:01:08AM +0100, VnPenguin wrote: In your page, section Customizing TABLE sub-section customization options: the table Possible options for setuoTABLE has some typo :) width=dimen -- set height ? set sets ? Thanks. I corrected the height typo, and realize you also pointed to a sets typo. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new beta
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:33:18PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: concerning the beta, i hope that engine path support is now better in texexec; there is also a new version of pstopdf (for the moment called newpdftops); when inkscape is installed (v 0.41) you mag give svg to pdf a try Is inkscape the beast that gave you so much trouble with the glib library? I know I tried to install it and gave up after I couldn't install glib. Why did you choose inskscape? I thought inkscape is supposed to be a great gui svg-editor, but I wonder if you need all of its power just to do a conversion. I use batik for my conversions, which is part of the apache project. Of course, it is written in java, which raises other problems. Anyway, it is promising that ConTeXt it going to incorporate svg. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] bi-lingual book
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 05:42:15PM -0400, Ciro Soto wrote: I am thinking in producing a book in two languages. One language will be in the verso side of the paper sheet, and the second language will be in the rector side. Trying to be as mirror images so the reader could (if so desired) learn one language from the other. Sorry I don't have an answer to your question, but I was very interested in what type of book you planned to write. It sounds interesting. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] border widths with TABLE
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 01:05:45PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: As far as I know, this is not possible in an easy way. Have a look about the booktabs dicussions some days ago. That's really too bad. You can do so much else with TABLE. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] border widths with TABLE
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 10:49:30PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
\setupcolors[state=start]
\startuniqueMPgraphic{border}
draw OverlayBox withpen pencircle scaled 1pt withcolor red ;
draw leftboundary OverlayBox withpen pencircle scaled 3pt withcolor green
;
\stopuniqueMPgraphic
\defineoverlay[border][\uniqueMPgraphic{border}]
\starttext
\bTABLE[frame=off]
\bTR \bTD[background=border] some test \eTD \bTD oeps \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD just a test \eTD \bTD[background=border] oeps again \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext
The code hangs:
MP test-mpgraph.4000] [MP test-mpgraph.3999])
*
But even if I could fix that, this seems like a difficult workaround.
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Re: [NTG-context] confused on which table
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:11:04AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: compare the settngs split=yes split=repeat Thanks. I've included this in my documentation: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/page4.html there is also \bTABLEnext \eTABLEnext Not sure what this means! Any hint would help the documentation. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] border widths with TABLE
How does one create different border widths in TABLE? For example, say you want to create an extra thick border between the head and the body? % this sets up the thickness for *all the borders % need just the bottom border \setupTABLE[r][first][rulethickness=1pt] Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] table won't break across page
I am trying to create a table that breaks across pages. I used the
example from the wiki. The table repeated its headers like it should
have, but it did not break across a page; it stuck the table on one
page.
Here is an excerpt from the file:
\placetable[here][tab:insurance]{Percentage of People without health
insurance in US}{\start
\starttablehead
\HL
\VL State \VL 3-year average(2001-2003) \VL 2-year average(2001-2002)
\VL\SR
\stoptablehead
\starttabletail
\HL[4]
\stoptabletail
\starttables[|l w(30mm)|l|l|]
\VL Alabama \VL 13.3 \VL 13.5
\VL\FR
\HL
\VL Alaska\VL 17.8 \VL 18.8
\VL\MR
\HL
...
\stoptables
\stop}
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] can't get table to work
On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 12:10:26AM -0400, Steve Peter wrote: The \DL has an explicit \DC in it, so the line should be: \DL \DL \DR Thanks. That is what I guessed after I fiddled with the tables some more. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] table won't break across page
On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 07:10:07PM +0200, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 10:45:37AM +0200, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
\splitfloat
{\placetable{Percentage of People without???}}
{\starttablehead
???
\stoptablehead
\starttabletail
???
\stoptabletail
\starttables[???]
???
\stoptables}
Your mailer seems to mess up the charset. You're sending us-ascii
responses to utf-8 mail and including the utf-8 sequences (the ???'s),
nikolai
When I got your email, I saw the ???. I assumed you put them in to
indicate I should fill in the blank. What characters were you trying to
convey here? I wasn't aware that my emailer was messing things up. It is
the mutt emailer.
Paul
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[NTG-context] confused on which table
I'm looking over the table overview at the wiki garden: http://contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview It states that: ConTeXt has a whole bunch of possibilities to typeset tables. Not each provides everything you may need, and the older ones are deprecated. Yet on looking at all of the different types of tables, I can't exactly see which ones are deprecated. Are any deprecated? I also see that there are three different types of tables for spanning across pages (\starttablehead, \bTABLE, and \startlinetable). Do each of these have strengths and weaknesses? Perhaps I could make a table for each type of tables, if someone could guide me: name tabulate TaBlEetable ETC === Useshort table Notes does not have vertical lines ETC. Thanks for whoever did this wiki page, since it is helping me get started. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 02:19:18PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: - left/right trimming of horizontal lines What do you mean by left/right trimming? If I am correct, doesn't one use \DL to draw a line at the bottom of a cell, \DC to not draw a line, and \DL to end the row? This means one can draw lines just for the cells one wants in any manner. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] space between tabulate
Is there a way to put space between cells in a tabluate table? \starttabulate[|p(6cm) |p(6cm)|] \NC American Community Survey \NC Current Population Survey \NC\NR \HL \NC All dollar values for income are adjusted to latest calendar year of estimates using the Consumer Price Index for the date collected versus the average for the year. \NC None \NC\NR \stoptabulate Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: space between tabulate
On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 01:40:57AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: perhaps this helps? \starttabulate[|p(6cm)j3| p(6cm)|] see also: http://source.contextgarden.net/core-tbl.tex Thanks. This helps a lot. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] controlling space between paragraphs in list
According to the big ConTeXt manual, one should use \head for an item in a list with more than one paragraph: \startitemize \head first paragarph...\par second paragraph... \stopitemize Is there a way to control the amount of space *between* head paragraph that are part of the head? I know how to control the space between items, but what if you want a different space between the paragraphs in an item. (This is not so unusual a desire; you might want to less space to make things tighter.) Right now, I can do this: \setupwhitespace[8pt] \startitemize \item first paragarph...\par second paragraph... \stopitemize But then ConTeXt might not take care of the paragraphs nicely when breaking between pages. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: customizing footnote numbers
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 01:28:01PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Here's what I just figured out literally 10 minutes ago. It works, but
it seems a bit of a hack. Is there a better way?
a bit? a very huge bit. Assume that you have 200 footnotes in your
text. Then change from 12pt fontsize to 10pt Bang!
Why wouldn't this be the case with any fontsize change? I guess because
you have to change the \vskip each time. Well, in that case one could
write a macro, but I have no idea how to write macros. Also, one could
set up a definition
\def\FontSkipSize{\vskip-12pt}
and use that instead. Then you would only have to change the definition
once.
Of course, that begs the question. Is there a better way?
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: page on context and XML has moved
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 10:51:44AM +0200, Piotr Kopszak wrote: That's very promising indeed. Right now I'm transforming my original xml using xslt to a simpler xml file which can be processed in document order to make the ConTeXt file containing xml formatting commands as simple as possible. It would be nice to end up with an xml file which would contain all the formatting information and make the ConTeXt file unnecessary. But I'm afraid of two things: 1. XSLT transformations will get so complex I will get lost in the stylesheet at some point. 2. How the final finetuning of the appearence of the typeset version should be done? Surely not by fiddling in the xml file which should be generated by xslt (or whatever) and I'm not sure making changes in the xslt stylesheet to make some pages one line shorter or longer is the way to go. Hi Piotr, First, if you use TeXML, make sure you download the latest version, 1.25-devel. This version is very stable and robust, and has the texml_con script, which converts directly from XML to PDF or whatever format you require: texml_con any option you can use with texexec infile It will create a ConTeX file along the way, as its first step. So if your file is modern_photo.xml, a file called modern_photo.tex will be created. You could open the modern_photo.tex file and make small changes on that file. However, if you need to do this, you should instead type: texml.py -e -c modern_photo.xml modern_photo.tex That will create a ConTeXt file, which you can then alter. Of course, having to alter the ConTeXt file defeats the purpose of XML. You should be able to convert directly from XML to PDF. What alterations do you think you will have to make? I know XSLT stylesheets can get very complicated. This is often the case, including when I convert XML to HTML. You could try converting in steps, making a small manageble change on one document, and then making a small manageable change and so on. Let me know your results. Good luck! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: customizing footnote numbers
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 06:17:39PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: Sorry to say, but in this case, no solution would be much better than this solution. Really? Wow! So if if the requirements for some document are hanging indents footnotes, and I have asked how to do them on the mailing list, and no one gives me a solution; and I then use my solution and create a nice looking document and satisfy the requirements, say for the thesis committee--that is *worse* than producing a document that does not fulfill the requirements and is not accepted? Wow, that's amazing that Patrick Gunlach as power over the editors and committees. There is nothing(!) worse than mixing visual markup with logical markup this way. Except no solution at all when you have a deadline to meet and must produce a document. Or except global warming. A little perspective would be nice. We are in a fully programmable environment, and it is extremely unConTeXtish to hack the visual appearance. I am an XML author, so am pretty amazed to hear that one should not mix appearance and content in ConTeXt. Most of a ConTeXt document involves visual appearance. What is one saying when one writes \blank[12pt]? If I have some minutes off tonight, I'll look into it. But I'd guess that Hans already has several different solutions to this problem, because every time I write no solution yet on this mailinglist, Hans presents some unknown/forgotten secret. Yes, that would be nice. But until I see a concrete solution, I will continue to use and post my solution. A rule of etiquette is that if you don't have a better solution, or don't want to document it, don't attack the current solution, not matter how impure. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] customizing footnote numbers
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 03:58:42PM -0400, Paul Tremblay wrote: Is there a way to manually set the number of a footnote rather than letting ConTeXt determining it? Something that works in the same way as \page[25]? For example, I might want to start footnote numbering at 1 at each chapter, *but I won't be using traditional ConTeXt divisions.* I've been searching the web and it seems that LaTeX has a way to reset counters, but I can't get this to work in ConTeXt. Answering my own email. I've had a look at core-not.tex, and I see a lot of definitions such as \internalfootreference. I've tried setting some of these myself with no luck. But it seems if I can just figure out the right definition and the way to set it, I should be able to insert the type of footnote I want. On the other hand, isn't there a way to just enter text in for your footnote marker, and totally bypass any automatic numbering? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: page on context and XML has moved
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:31:04PM +0200, Piotr Kopszak wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 11:03:53PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: [...] I just looked at the webpage you mentioned and TeXML resources. If I'm not mistaken it seems it was conceived for LaTeX. Does it really make sense in context of ConTeXt? I'm afraid having a language whose available reference does not even mention ConTeXt only adds up to the existing TeX mess rather than makes it richer. At least the subset which makes use of ConTeXt should be called differently. Sorry for my ignorance. These are just first impressions after having a quick look at the idea. It is true that originally this was designed just for LaTeX. But I became a developer and changed the code so that it will work under ConTeXt. I even provided a script that will convert TeXML directly from XML to PDF or other print formats. The name of this script is texml_con. It is only available on CVS right now, but I should make it available as a package sometime later today. I will have to aske the administrator of the sourceforge site to update the webpage so that it mentions ConTeXt as well. I provide myriads of examples on the webpages in TeXML format. Running the TeXML script on any of these codes will change the documents to valid ConTeXt. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] customizing footnote numbers
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:29:41AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
\starttext
test \footnote{test} test
\setupnumber[footnote][start=45]
test \footnote{test} test
\setnumber[footnote]{99}
test \footnote{test} test
\setupnumber[footnote][way=bysection,start=0]
test \footnote{test} test
\section{test}
test \footnote{test} test
test \footnote{test} test
\section{test}
test \footnote{test} test
test \footnote{test} test
\stoptext
Thanks. So it looks like the way to reset counters in ConTexT is with
the
\setupnumber[somecounter]{x}
That helps.
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: customizing footnote numbers
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:30:44PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Hey, that's just the question I was going to ask! I played around some
with margin= and margindistance=, but all I could achieve was getting
the footnote ref typeset to the right, into the text of the note --
interesting, but not very useful. So is this possible? And: can we have
a hanging indent for footnotes like this:
1 note that will
wrap like this?
Here's what I just figured out literally 10 minutes ago. It works, but
it seems a bit of a hack. Is there a better way?
Paul
%Footnotes with indenting
\starttext
% define amount to indent
\setupnarrower[left=12pt]
At present I am a sojourner in civilized life
again. \footnote{\startnarrower[left]
% need a negatvie vskip so ConTeXt won't read this as a paragrpah.
\vskip-12pt
\hskip-12pt Thoreau started writing {\sl Walden} in 1846, a few
months after he started living at Walden Pond. He moved back to
Concord late in 1847. By that point he had drafted half of the
manuscript. He continued to work on it for several years.
\stopnarrower}
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: page on context and XML has moved
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:13:22AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: But I have to say that I feel a bit sorry about your decision of moving your pages to somewhere else. At the time before the wiki existed there were (besides the documentation at PRAGMA ADE) several web pages with some content (with very valuable information). But the ConTeXt users didn't know about these pages (except for those reading the mailinglist carefully). That is why I have started contextgarden.net: to put all relevant documentation in one place. Links have a tendency of dying. And the contents behind the links are often outdated, because things (especially in the ConTeXt world) change quickly. And I would not be surprised if this happens to your page, too. And your information is too valuable to get lost or unuseful. I'd suggest to keep the information at the wiki the next time and/or write a myway and put the source and pdf on garden. I agree with your point. In addition, the wiki pages offer the opportunity for others to give valuable feedback, easily, without having to post an email message. I am really going to miss having this feedback, since it helps me correct both small mistakes and major misconceptions in my documents. My decision was based on practicality, however. You can see already that my documents are very complicated, with many graphics and pieces of example code. I will be constantly changing the pages as I correct mistakes and learn more. I write my documents in XML and generate the HTML files from the XML. This allows me to automatically generate a TOC, keep my links fresh, and generate a detailed index. (I hope to get around to creating an index later.) I run a script to generate the html. I then use rsync to update my files at sourceforge.net. You can imagine how much more difficult it would be to do this with the wiki. Updating changes might take me 5 minutes through sourceforge. It would take me maybe a half an hour if I used the wiki, and even longer as my pages continue to grow. However, that doesn't stop me from creating a myway. (I assume a myway is a ConText document coupled with a PDF file.) I'll try to do this as soon as I have time. Thanks for your feedback Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] chancery font
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:15:19AM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Not only that, Adam, but the configuration issues involve so much minutae that it is very easy to make simple mistakes that cause, e.g, typescripts to fail. As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and generates everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including expert fonts like Minion. (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for Chinese, Arabic, etc.) I myself know that when it comes time for me to work with fonts, I will have trouble. However, I am not for a gui. A gui is hard to write and maintain, and given all the different platforms out there, including older linux distributions with old libraries, it most likey wouldn't run on all of them. I think you can achieve the same thing with a well-written shell script, which can be interactive and can test all sorts of variables. Wouldn't a shell script do the job you want? I mean, imagine the best, most fancy gui you can, one that does everything you want with fonts. Now just imagine the same program in an ugly shell that would do the same thing, with the same interaction, and wouldn't that do the trick? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] customizing footnote numbers
Is there a way to manually set the number of a footnote rather than letting ConTeXt determining it? Something that works in the same way as \page[25]? For example, I might want to start footnote numbering at 1 at each chapter, *but I won't be using traditional ConTeXt divisions.* I've been searching the web and it seems that LaTeX has a way to reset counters, but I can't get this to work in ConTeXt. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] chancery font
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 01:40:53PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: Hi guys, Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just dreaming out loud:-)) I know! I hope my tone didn't come across as harsh or accusatory. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] page on context and XML has moved
I had originally put up a web article on page layout, ConTeXt, and XML. As I said in my original email, the location of that webpage was only temporary. The new address of the webpage is: http://getfo.sourceforge.net/context_xml/index.html The webpage is far from finished. I plan to add many more sections and edit some of the existing ones. Just glancing over the pages, I see many typos. In a similar matter, I had originally started this documentation on the wikki. Can I now remove those pages? (I realize I probably don't need permisssion, but I don't want to remove a page and then have the wikki administrator put it back up.) The page on the wikki is out of date and incorrect in many instances. Also, someone on this email list was nice enough to include a link to the yahoo page. Could that person update the link, when he gets a chance? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] widow and orphan control
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 08:53:31AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small, pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible] I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. \testpage[24pt] This produces an unwanted pt in my text. But if I use: \testpage[3] I get some very interesting result. It almost seems from my tests that ConTeXt will break if it can't put 3 more lines on the page. Almost, anyway. If I have spaces as in: \testpage[3] Title\par \blank[24pt] The code doesn't quite work. It might even make an ugly orphan of poor title. In that case I have to increase the option in \testpage to 5 or 6 to work. So what exactly does the argument stand for? This command might be really useful. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] widow and orphan control
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:53:49AM +0200, Vit Zyka wrote: Vit Zyka wrote (11:35): \penalty50 \vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil \nobreak \vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface. This didn't work for me. I did some of the other suggestions to work, though. Thanks! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: widow and orphan control
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:31:07AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: \clubpenalty=-600 \widowpenalty=-600 But this had no effect. try inserting things like these after \starttext. There was a problem on the mailinglist like this some time ago. Yes, that did the trick. Can anyone tell me if -600 is a reasonable value? My tests seem to say so. There are at least 3 lines on the bottom of my test page. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: widow and orphan control
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:24:53AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: ConTeXt has not \flushbottom command. The \flushbottom gives the heigh flexibility. what about looking in the wiki for \flushbottom? Yes, I see: \setupalign[line] Though it turns out I don't need to use this to get the penalties to work. Still, it is nice to know how to do this. I wasn't even aware that ConTeXt wasn't pushing my text to the bottom of the page. I wonder how \pagesetup[width=middle] is going to affect all this? I hope not at all. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] widow and orphan control
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:04:58PM -0500, Paul Tremblay wrote: How does one prevent orphans (the first line nof a paragraph on the last line of a page) and widows (the last line of a paragraph on a new page)? If I have the title of a new section that must not be the last line of a page, how can I do this? I've hunted around the web quite a bit, and there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this. I tried: \clubpenalty=-600 \widowpenalty=-600 But this had no effect. What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small, pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible] I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] widow and orphan control
This works for LaTeX but not for ConTeXt: \widowpenalty=1 \clubpenalty=1 \flushbottom ConTeXt has not \flushbottom command. The \flushbottom gives the heigh flexibility. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] widow and orphan control
How does one prevent orphans (the first line nof a paragraph on the last line of a page) and widows (the last line of a paragraph on a new page)? If I have the title of a new section that must not be the last line of a page, how can I do this? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] my new page on layout
I've authored a new page on laying out pages in ConText. This page will be just one in a number of pages on using ConTeXt with XML. The new page can be found at http://www.geocities.com/paulhtremblay/context_xml/page2.html I would appreciate any feedback. I hope the page will be useful in helping others overcome some of the difficulty I had in trying to understand layout in ConTeXt. I believe it is very thorough. I hope it is clear (it contains many illustrations) and accurate. I put this page up on yahoo because it had so many graphics, and because trying to cut and paste the entire page to the wiki would have been too difficult. The yahoo location is just temporary. Probably I will create a sourceforge project to host the page. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] my new page on layout
Just as addition. If you want page number in the same (center) position
in the footer, add \smash command to your example
\setupfootertexts[Romanticism \hfill
\pagenumber \hfill Civil Disobedience][] [][...]
so
\setupfootertexts[\smash{Romanticism }\hfill
\pagenumber \hfill \smash{Civil Disobedience}][] [][...]
Thanks for the feedback. What does \smash do? If I don't use \smash, my
footer text appears to be in the same position, in the center.
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] my new page on layout
Your prose is fairly clear, but the style tends to be a bit too prescriptive for my tastes. I think a lot of it would be alleviated by you setting up the context a bit more (this is what I found works for me, coming from the FO page model). Still, you set out statements like this without telling the whole story: I think that the first page makes my intentions clear. My audience is XML authors (though I think others will find the illustratons useful). I undertand that there are many ways of doing things in ConTeXt and I don't mean that ConTeXt authors should follow the advice. I think XML authors will want one clear way of doing things rather than confusing alternatives. Looking at page-lay, it seems like your perceived complications would go away to some extent by telling people to use width=middle, for example. Fixed. The page now reflects the correct changes. Thanks for yoru feedback. I wish I had understood the width=middle earlier. I had to completely re-do my graphics once when I couldn't get cutspace to work, and then I had to change it again. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] my new page on layout
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 11:20:58PM +0100, Vit Zyka wrote:
Ohh, my error. Correct code:
\setupfootertexts[\rlap{Romanticism}\hfill
\pagenumber \hfill \llap{Civil Disobedience}][] [][...]
Consider
\setupfootertexts[\rlap{A}\hfill\pagenumber\hfill\llap{B}][][][]
If width(A)!=width(B) then \pagenumber is not in the center.
\fill's add the equal space between A-\pagenumber and \pagenumber-B.
If width(A-different-page)!=width(A) then (generaly) \pagenumber change
position page-to-page.
\rlap makes hbox of zero width with right overlapping, \llap with left.
Thanks! Now this makes sense. I changed the page accordingly.
Paul
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[NTG-context] images on wiki?
Is there a way to upload images (png) to the wiki? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:03:08AM +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote: I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following directory in my texmf directory: .tex/context/patterns I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all. At this point, you missed a step: texexec --make I just ran texexec --make Same. No hyphenation. GR! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
At this point, you missed a step: texexec --make I re-ran the test and saved the output to a file. I opened the file and saw this: system (E-TEX) : [line 159] \ifcsname ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ger.tex loading : Germanic Languages language: patterns for nl not loaded language: patterns for en not loaded language: patterns for de not loaded language: patterns for da not loaded language: patterns for sv not loaded language: patterns for af not loaded language: patterns for no not loaded language: patterns for deo not loaded language: patterns for uk not loaded language: patterns for us not loaded ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ita.tex loading : Italic Languages language: patterns for fr not loaded language: patterns for es not loaded language: patterns for ca not loaded language: patterns for it not loaded language: patterns for la not loaded language: patterns for pt not loaded language: patterns for ro not loaded ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-sla.tex loading : Slavic Languages language: patterns for pl not loaded language: patterns for cz not loaded language: patterns for sk not loaded language: patterns for hr not loaded language: patterns for sl not loaded ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-alt.tex -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
Mine does that as well, but somewhat deeper in the log file, it restarts loading patterns, like this: (./cont-fmt.tex language: patterns nl for nl loaded(n=1,e=texnansi,m=texnansi) (/home/taco/texmf/tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat) language: hyphenations nl for nl loaded ... culminating in : 210 hyphenation exceptions Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111 117 for language 34 31 for language 33 30 lines or so, counting down .. 265 for language 1 perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has ConTeXt ver: 2005.03.16 fmt: 2005.3.19 int: english mes: english Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought I was getting somewhere. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
file? Can you strip it to its barest form?
Here is the entire file. Luckily, it is very small.
Thanks
Paul
% enable utf
\enableregime[utf]
% turn off automatic page numbering
\setuppagenumbering[state=stop, way=bytext, alternative=doublesided]
%\setupbodyfont[rm,12pt]
%\setuplanguage[en][ state=start]
%\language[en]
%\setuptolerance[verytolerant]
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A4]
% show frames so we can debug
\showframe
\definelayout[test][
backspace=50mm,
cutspace=70mm,
width=fit,
]
% so it is always a good idea to use width=fit
\setuplayout[test]
\setupheadertexts[odd][][][even]
Test\par
% input text from another document
\dorecurse{6}{\input tufte \par \input knuth \par}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
You are getting somewhere. The format files that have been created by texexec in that last 'texexec --make' know how to hyphenate text. There is only one job left to do: making it so that 'texexec test' uses the right (new) format file (and not the old one). Without exact log files, I doubt I can sort that out for you, but assuming you ran 'texexec --make' today, then 'texexec -version' should report the following date info: context : ver: 2005.03.16 cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16 fmt: 2005.3.19 mes: english cont-nl : ver: 2005.03.16 fmt: 2005.3.19 mes: dutch if not, some files need to be copied. Good luck, Taco texexec --version: texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004 tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3) context : ver: 2005.01.31 cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2005.2.20 mes: english Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
That does show a fair bit of hyphenation, here. Taco says some wise
things, and here are a couple things to insert at the beginning of your
text that may help debug. (But, again, I'm no expert in this area.)
\the\hyphenpenalty % (50 on my system)
\showhyphenations{hypertextual}
I put these lines at the top of my file. My resulting dvi file shows
these lines:
50
language : en(code:1)
font : cmr12
encoding : default
mapping : default
sample : hypertextual
It seems that the hypen penalty is what it should be.
Paul
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: hyphenation not working
What happens if you run
texexec --make --alone
and copy the cont-en.fmt (or whatever it is called now) into the
'correct' path? Or leave it in the path that your test file is in and
try the \showhyphenations{hypertextual} again.
Back from my rally.
And, success! If I leave the cont-en.fmt file in the same directory as
I am running texeec, then I get hypenated text. So the goal is to move
it to my path. But where exactly is my path?
If I do a search for the cont-en.fmt file in texmf, I get:
./doc/man/man1/cont-en.1
./tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
./tex/context/config/cont-en.ini
./tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
./context/data/cont-en-scite.properties
./cont-en.log
./cont-en.fmt
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Layout stuff
Hi Patrick, I would wonder if it can be possible since changing paragraph width from page to page is *very* complicated task in TeX. You are right, but we all know Hans, he does some things that are *very* complicated in TeX. And I see that part of my question has been answered before. It is a matter if \definelayout[odd], \definelayout[even] and alike. I was confused because Hans mentioned in this thread: \setuplayout[odd|even|pagenumber|yourownid] Which I can't get to work here. This should work. I have been been testing a lot of different possiblities with layout, and am writing a complete new doc to illustrate just these problems. If this code doesn't work, let me know; it means I have forgotten a line here or there. However, it is also true that you can't get TeX to change widths of paragraphs from one page to the next. (That is, as far as I know.) I posted this problem about a week ago, and no one has responded, leaving me to believe you can't to it in ConTeXt (or TeX). I posted the problem in the wiki section in the bugs page. Paul \definelayout[even][ leftmargin=30mm, rightmargin=25mm, cutspace=50mm, backspace=40mm, height=fit, width=fit, ] \definelayout[odd][ leftmargin=25mm, rightmargin=30mm, cutspace=50mm, backspace=40mm, height=fit, width=fit, ] \setuplayout -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: hyphenation not working
Hi Patrick On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 11:00:57PM +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote: there should be some cont-en.fmt somewhere on your disk. Like /usr/local/texmf/web2c/context/cont-en.fmt, but this is just a wild guess. So you could copy your newly generated cont-en.fmt over the old one. Okay. I was looking for it in /usr/TeX/texmf directory. It was in /usr/TeX/texmf-var/web2c So everything works fine now. I assume that future versions of ConTeXt will install this file correctly? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: Layout stuff
There is, of course, \parshape. And I know that Hans does a lot of paragraph trickery (see for example coloumns). If you can get pages with different widths to work, please let me know! Like I said, I posted the problematic code in the wiki. It would be great to get this to work. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:05:36AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: Paul Tremblay wrote: Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation, to work. I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool exists with my distribution. I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work. did you run mktexlsr ? I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I proceed from here? another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the formats (with --all option) Where is this? I just spent 20 minutes searching the website. Paul i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: hyphenation not working
http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net ___ Thanks. It wasn't on the download page, though, right? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:06:14AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: No, hyphen.tex is not on my system. it is ... ./tex/generic/hyphen/hyphen.tex here ! I installed ConTexT using the TeXLive distribution, and then build ConTeXt inside of that by unzipping the standard ConTeXt package. in your context distribution, locate cont-usr.tex (or rme) and change the ushyp* name mentioned there to hyphen; otherwise copy hyphen.tex to ushyph1.tex and/or ushyph2.tex (the latest context ships with a version of ctxtools that generates generic pattern files using the context naming scheme; see website for documentation) Neither thing worked. Here is a line from my log file: 82 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000 Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] hyphenation not working
Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation, to work. I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool exists with my distribution. I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work. I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I proceed from here? Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation not working
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:03:50AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: Paul Tremblay wrote: I've noticed that hypenation is not working in my test ConTeXt documents. I have looked repeatedly at the manual and searched the wiki. It seems that hyphenations should be automatic? I am testing simple files with the language as English. Does one have to turn hyphenation on? normally not, but there has been some changes in distributions; is there a hyphen.tex on your system? No, hyphen.tex is not on my system. Here is a list of any file that has the name 'hyphen' in it: ./lists/hyphen-base ./lists/hyphen-basque ./lists/hyphen-czechslovak ./lists/hyphen-dutch ./lists/hyphen-french ./lists/hyphen-german ./lists/hyphen-italian ./lists/hyphen-polish ./lists/hyphen-portuguese ./lists/hyphen-spanish ./lists/hyphen-ukenglish ./tex/generic/hyphen ./tex/generic/hyphen/hyphen.tex ./tex/generic/hyphen/czhyphen.ex ./tex/generic/hyphen/skhyphen.ex ./tex/generic/hyphen/ghyphen.README ./tex/generic/hyphen/ithyphen2.tex ./tex/generic/hyphen/ukhyphen.tex ./tpm/hyphen-base.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-basque.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-czechslovak.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-dutch.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-french.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-german.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-italian.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-polish.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-portuguese.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-spanish.tpm ./tpm/hyphen-ukenglish.tpm I installed ConTexT using the TeXLive distribution, and then build ConTeXt inside of that by unzipping the standard ConTeXt package. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] under/over runs with odd and even pages
I am getting under and overruns when I define odd and even pages. The problem seems to be that when paragraph runs from and odd to an evne page, it retains its formating that it had on the odd page. And this is also true for a paragraph that starts on an even page and runs to an odd page. So if the odd page is really wide, and the even page is narrow, the paragraphs starts on the odd page fitting perfectly, and then when it starts on the odd page, it overflows. Likewise, when a paragraph starts on a narrow, even page, it retains its narrowness at the start of an odd page, producing an underfill. So what is wrong with my code? \showframe \definelayout[1][ leftmargin=33mm, rightmargin=33mm, cutspace=50mm, backspace=50mm, height=fit, width=fit, ] \definelayout[even][ rightmargin=25mm, cutspace=40mm, leftmargin=20mm, backspace=35mm, height=fit, width=fit, ] \definelayout[odd][ leftmargin=25mm, rightmargin=35mm, cutspace=50mm, backspace=40mm, height=fit, width=fit, ] \setuplayout Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] hyphenation not working
I've noticed that hypenation is not working in my test ConTeXt documents. I have looked repeatedly at the manual and searched the wiki. It seems that hyphenations should be automatic? I am testing simple files with the language as English. Does one have to turn hyphenation on? Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] what do these values mean?
I've figure out a lot of the values used in \setuplayout, but I can't figure out these: horoffset veroffset nx ny dx dy Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] cutspace and backspace
What does cutspace actually do? I have the following layout: \definelayout[chapThree][ cutspace=20mm, % the space on the right hand side of the page leftmargin=35mm, % the space for margin notes backspace=50mm, % the space in the left hand side of the page rightmargin=25mm, % the space for right margin notes width=fit, ] I thought that cutspace would create a non-writeable area on the right hand side of a page. But the above layout uses the backspace value of 50mm and seems to ignore the cutspace value. It also seems that I was wrong about the fucntion of backspace. Backspace is actually the area from the edge of the page to the body text. So it equals the the margin area plus the edge of the page. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] special character | how to encode?
How does one use | in ConTeXt? I've searched the manual and the web (and come up with nothing because context is a regular English word), but could not find anything. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] special character | how to encode?
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 07:45:48PM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
If your font and encoding is set up correctly, you can use \textbar.
Thomas
I have:
\enableregime[utf]
At the top of my documents, so this command does not work. \type{|} does
work, and I guess this is what I need.
Thanks!
Paul
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[NTG-context] creating horizontal space
I am trying to create horizontal space in a footer and am having not
luck. Here is what I have tried;
\definetext[chapStart8Footer][footer][\vbox{ {\hspace{2em} skip} space
Interestingly, the \hfill command works here, but \hspace doesn't.
Paul
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Re: [NTG-context] creating horizontal space
Okay, dummy me, I figured it out:
\hskip2em
Paul
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:08:05PM -0500, Paul Tremblay wrote:
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:08:05 -0500
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Subject: [NTG-context] creating horizontal space
I am trying to create horizontal space in a footer and am having not
luck. Here is what I have tried;
\definetext[chapStart8Footer][footer][\vbox{ {\hspace{2em} skip} space
Interestingly, the \hfill command works here, but \hspace doesn't.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt-updater i-Package updated
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 11:00:48AM +0100, Uwe Koloska wrote: Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:00:48 +0100 From: Uwe Koloska [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt-updater i-Package updated Gerben Wierda wrote: PS. For NTG-ConTeXt: i-Packages are a software install mechanism for Mac OS X only. For most of you, this will be a very cryptic message I guess. Let's count the guys that use OSX with ConTeXt (and possibly i-Packages): -- One -- I primarily use ConTeXt with linux, but I also have the distribution on a Mac OS X, and I used Gerben's package, which installed very nicely--thanks! Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] wiki and tables
I hope this isn't off topic, but can someone give me help creating tables in the wiki? The wiki states that it supporst XHTML tables. I want to create tables in this format, or as close as possible. In XHTML, you control borders and other characteristics by CSS. So how does one do the same in the wiki? table !-- there are no borders here-- tr tdcell one/tdtdcell two/td /tr /table Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:15:11AM +, Adam Lindsay wrote: Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:04:26 -0500: http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout Thanks for your contribution... I would feel a bit better if you made the relationship to http://contextgarden.net/Layout clearer. This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. Perhaps you could make a family of pages like FO_Layout and FO_Fonts, to make The FO Way clearer--these things are informative to people coming from ConTeXt and XSL-FO alike... I see. So if I am understanding things correctly, you just want me to rename my pages? So instead of having Layout, use FO_Layout? This is from the page itself: ConTeXt has no equivalent to the FO attributes margin-right and margin-bottom. cutspace and bottomspace, respectively. I'll agree that the documentation on layout stuff is now lagging behind reality, but there are some sources for this information, like the list archives and: http://texshow.contextgarden.net/ts.rb? lang=enwhat=descif=encmd=setuplayout Thanks. I'll have a look and change the page. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. Excuse my ignorance, but what is FO? Sorry for not explaining that. Once I get an introductory page set up, I can explain. FO is short for Formatting Object. It serves the same purpose as ConTeXt, except in XML. You markup the document in FO, then run it through a processor, and the output is PDF. Normally, one does not actually write the document directly in FO. Usually one has the document already written in another type of XML, like docbook or TEI. Then one converts the document to FO. FO had great promise in that it was a a standard developed by the same consortium that developed the new standards for HTML. However, the actual open source software to convert FO to PDF is seriously lacking in comparison to LaTeX or ConTeXt. For example, the open source application FOP, written in java, does not let you move tables around on a page. The version of FOP is .2, and if you consider that a mature piece of software has a number of 1.0, you can see how far FOP has to come. One need not know FOP to actually follow my tutorial. Anyone who has to convert from XML, and knows XSLT, will hopefully find some of the tips useful. What I am trying to do is strip down ConTeXt to the bare minimum needed, because with an XSLT conversion, you need less of ConTeXt's features, such as list numbering. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] \definelayout question
Thanks Adam for the suggestions on the wiki page.
You point out that I can use \definelayout for odd and even pages.
I assume I can use this command in place of \setuplayout?
I had a problem using \definelayout. I found that I had to use a
\setuplayout before my text, or the first page would not get formatted.
Is the ConTeXt code right below?
Also, is there any way to change the layout for the first page?
\definelayout[first] [
Thanks
Paul
\part{}
\definelayout[odd][
topspace=.5in, % the space at the very top of the page
backspace=3in, % the space in the gutter
header=2in, % the space for headers
footer=2in, % the space for footers
leftmargin=1in, % the space for margin notes
rightmargin=1.5in, % the space for right margin notes
width=3in, % the width of the body text
height=7in % the height of the body text
]
\definelayout[even][
topspace=.5in, % the space at the very top of the page
backspace=3in, % the space in the gutter
header=2in, % the space for headers
footer=2in, % the space for footers
leftmargin=1in, % the space for margin notes
rightmargin=1.5in, % the space for right margin notes
width=3in, % the width of the body text
height=4in % the height of the body text
]
\setuplayout
% the header for the first page of part 1
\definetext[partStart1][header][\vbox{Chapter 1 \vskip5pt Author}]
\setuphead[part][header=partStart1]
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[NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page
I have a new page on the wiki http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. I'm sure I got some things wrong, so any help would be appreciated. One thing I was not able to do was customize headers and footers for blank pages that end a part (such as a chapter). I need to include a section in my page describing my inability to do this. Thanks Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] controlling blank pages at end of part
How does one control headers and footers at the end of a part, such as a
chapter?
There are two scenarios I am trying to figure out, one in which the
the blank pages at the end of a part have headers, and one in which they
don't.
I can't figure out how to do either. Instead, I am getting a mixture of
headers and non headers.
First page in first part.
\page
Second page in first part.
\page
Third page in first part.
\page[quadruple]
\setuphead[part][header=high, page=right]
\part{}
This gives me two empty (no headers) pages, followed by a page with a
header, followed by the first page in the next part.
If I replace \page[quadruple] with \page[blank], my last page in the
previous part loses its border.
I can do:
Third page in first part.
\page
\page[blank]
But then the first page in the next part loses its headers.
I suppose there is a way to turn the headings off for a page or two?
\page
\setupheader[state=stop]
\part{}
\setupheader[statue=normal]
% this code also does not work!
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