Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-09-09 Thread Michail Vidiassov
Dear Hans and All,


On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Michail Vidiassov mas...@iaas.msu.ru wrote:
 the examples from back-u3d.mkiv fail to work with latest beta
 (rectangled undefined message appears instead of annotation),
 but if \textwidth is replaced by in in the tex file 3D annotations
 appear OK.

in the latest minimals (2012.09.06 23:03) the following  example from
back-u3d.mkiv fails to work

\useexternalfigure  [test]  [test.prc]  [width=0.5\textwidth,
height=0.5\textwidth, display=u3d:myset:display:1,
controls=u3d:myset:controls:1]
\placefigure[here]{3d test}{\externalfigure[test]}

while after getting rid of \texwidth the following does:

\useexternalfigure  [test]  [test.prc]  [width=3in,   height=3in,
display=u3d:myset:display:1, controls=u3d:myset:controls:1]
\placefigure[here]{3d test}{\externalfigure[test]}

Is it a bug of the example got wrong with some changes in ConTeXt.

Sincerely, Michail
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-09-09 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 09.09.2012 um 11:00 schrieb Michail Vidiassov mas...@iaas.msu.ru:

 Dear Hans and All,
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Michail Vidiassov mas...@iaas.msu.ru 
 wrote:
 the examples from back-u3d.mkiv fail to work with latest beta
 (rectangled undefined message appears instead of annotation),
 but if \textwidth is replaced by in in the tex file 3D annotations
 appear OK.
 
 in the latest minimals (2012.09.06 23:03) the following  example from
 back-u3d.mkiv fails to work
 
 \useexternalfigure  [test]  [test.prc]  [width=0.5\textwidth,
 height=0.5\textwidth, display=u3d:myset:display:1,
 controls=u3d:myset:controls:1]
 \placefigure[here]{3d test}{\externalfigure[test]}
 
 while after getting rid of \texwidth the following does:
 
 \useexternalfigure  [test]  [test.prc]  [width=3in,   height=3in,
 display=u3d:myset:display:1, controls=u3d:myset:controls:1]
 \placefigure[here]{3d test}{\externalfigure[test]}
 
 Is it a bug of the example got wrong with some changes in ConTeXt.

It should work when you use “width=\the\dimexpr\textwidth/2\relax” or 
“width=\the\dimexpr0.5\textwidth\relax”.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-09-09 Thread Michail Vidiassov
Dear Wolfgang and All,

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com wrote:
 in the latest minimals (2012.09.06 23:03) the following  example from 
 back-u3d.mkiv fails to work

 \useexternalfigure  [test]  [test.prc]  [width=0.5\textwidth, ...

 It should work when you use “width=\the\dimexpr\textwidth/2\relax” or 
 “width=\the\dimexpr0.5\textwidth\relax”.

thank you, that works.

Is it a permanent change of rules or the old shorter way is just
temporary disabled by some ongoing unfinished development of ConTeXt
code?

Sincerely, Michail
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-09-09 Thread Michail Vidiassov
Just a follow up -
the old way width=0.5\textwidth still works for png external figures.

Is it considered non-kosher now and is to be changed everywhere to the
new one “width=\the\dimexpr0.5\textwidth\relax” whenever possible to
avoid potential problems?
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-09-09 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 09.09.2012 um 16:07 schrieb Michail Vidiassov mas...@iaas.msu.ru:

 Just a follow up -
 the old way width=0.5\textwidth still works for png external figures.

When you use images in jpg, png or pdf format context still uses a lot of tex
code where you can use this form of assignment because the values are
assigned to another dimen register in tex where this is valid.

\starttext

\newdimen\mydimenregister

\mydimenregister=10pt

mydimenregister = \the\mydimenregister

\mydimenregister=\textwidth

mydimenregister = \the\mydimenregister

\mydimenregister=.33\textwidth

mydimenregister = \the\mydimenregister

\stoptext

When you insert a 3D graphic in your document the values of the width/height
keys are read by lua which can’t handle with this assignment, what can be used
in this case are only absolute values like 10pt and with \the\dimepr… you can
do this even with relative value, e.g. .5\textwidth.

 Is it considered non-kosher now and is to be changed everywhere to the
 new one “width=\the\dimexpr0.5\textwidth\relax” whenever possible to
 avoid potential problems?

Maybe Hans can add some code which checks the argument to avoid this, e.g.

  if argument == fit or argument == broad then
  return argument
  else
  return \the\dimeprargument\relax
  fi

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] 3D annotations problems

2012-08-18 Thread Michail Vidiassov
Dear Hans and All,

the examples from back-u3d.mkiv fail to work with latest beta
(rectangled undefined message appears instead of annotation),
but if \textwidth is replaced by in in the tex file 3D annotations
appear OK.

Is that a bug, a feature or some transitional state of ConTeXt
(case when things are known to be broken something else is under reform).

   Sincerely, Michail
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-05-04 Thread gummybears
On Sun, 2 May 2010, gummybears wrote:

I read your email (17 april 2010) on the mailing list and applied the two
patches to my Context minimal distro
(the very latest version). When I run your test.tex through context the
preview image test.png is not shown.


did you recreate formats after patch
(context -make if memory serves me right)?
I will test with current minimals today.

Probably not (my mistake), but now I did make the formats and with the
current minimals
I got the following error (when running your test.tex file)
bodyfont: 12pt rm is loaded
language: language en is active
systems : begin file test.tex at line 3
floatblocks : 1 placed
! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/lpdf-mis.lua:163:
attempt to call field 'timestamp' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/lpdf-mis.lua:163: in function
'setupidentity'
main ctx instance:1: in main chunk.
\synchronizebackendidentity ...akeyword \!!es , }}

\actualshipout ...lio \or \the \everyfirstshipout
  \global
\everyfirstshipout...
\myshipout ...\@@ppmethod }\gobbleoneargument {#1}
  \setnextrealpageno
\afters...
\dofinaloutput ...hbox {\vbox {\dopagebody #1#2}}}
  \the \everyaftershipout
\a...
\finaloutput ...EAEAEA \dofinaloutput \fi \fi #1#2
  \resetselectiepagina
\incr...
\sidefloatoutput ...e \else \finalsidefloatoutput
  \global \sidefloatvsize
\n...
...
l.23 \stopTEXpage
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-05-04 Thread Michail Vidiassov

Dear gummybears,

On Tue, 4 May 2010, gummybears wrote:


  I read your email (17 april 2010) on the mailing list and applied the two
  patches to my Context minimal distro
  (the very latest version). When I run your test.tex through context the
  preview image test.png is not shown.


did you recreate formats after patch

Probably not (my mistake), but now I did make the formats and with the current 
minimals
I got the following error (when running your test.tex file)
bodyfont    : 12pt rm is loaded
language    : language en is active
systems : begin file test.tex at line 3
floatblocks : 1 placed
! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/lpdf-mis.lua:163: 
attempt to call field 'timestamp' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
    ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/lpdf-mis.lua:163: in function 
'setupidentity'
    main ctx instance:1: in main chunk.
\synchronizebackendidentity ...akeyword \!!es , }}

\actualshipout ...lio \or \the \everyfirstshipout
  \global \everyfirstshipout...
\myshipout ...\@@ppmethod }\gobbleoneargument {#1}
  \setnextrealpageno \afters...
\dofinaloutput ...hbox {\vbox {\dopagebody #1#2}}}
  \the \everyaftershipout \a...
\finaloutput ...EAEAEA \dofinaloutput \fi \fi #1#2
  \resetselectiepagina \incr...
\sidefloatoutput ...e \else \finalsidefloatoutput
  \global \sidefloatvsize \n...
...
l.23 \stopTEXpage

Which version of ConText should I use to make it work?


I have just downloaded the latest version (2010.04.29 22:30) to my
Mac OS X 10.6.3, patched, run test.tex and got no problem.

May be you can describe our setup in more detail (context version, OS,
32/64 bit).

Sincerely, michail


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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-05-02 Thread gummybears
Hi Michail,

I read your email (17 april 2010) on the mailing list and applied the two
patches to my Context minimal distro
(the very latest version). When I run your test.tex through context the
preview image test.png
is not shown.

Which version of ConText should I use to make it work

Thanks in advance
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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-04-17 Thread Michail Vidiassov

Dear Hans,

I wrote to you

thank you for your latest effort to put u3d support in a working state, but


more thanks for more effort, but


May be a more robust way is to read first 3 bytes of the model file, since
U3D or PRC signature is always there - that can be done instead of 
relying on file name extension or only in case it it not u3d or prc.


you have implemented reading the file signature, but it is now 
almost useless, since if a file has extension other but U3D or PRC

3D annotation code will not be called by file inclusion mechanism
and io.readdata routine is called
local subtype, subdata = U3D, io.readdata(foundname) or 
- what's that?

One more point - preview bitmap images in 3D annotations are now disabled
since necessary functionality of measuring XForms is missing -
please, consider the following workaround.

--- lpdf-u3d.lua.org2010-03-26 18:24:44.0 +0300
+++ lpdf-u3d.lua2010-04-14 14:24:28.0 +0400
@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@
 local cos, sin, sqrt, pi, atan2, abs = math.cos, math.sin, math.sqrt, math.pi, 
math.atan2, math.abs

 local pdfconstant   = lpdf.constant
+local pdfnumber = lpdf.number
 local pdfboolean= lpdf.boolean
 local pdfunicode= lpdf.unicode
 local pdfdictionary = lpdf.dictionary
@@ -62,8 +63,7 @@

 local function make3dview(view)

-local name = viewname
-local name = pdfunicode((view.name ~=  and name) or unknown view)
+local name = pdfunicode((view.name ~=  and view.name) or unknown view)

 local viewdict = pdfdictionary {
Type = pdfconstant(3DView),
@@ -311,9 +311,6 @@
 for i=1,#nodes do
 local node = checkedkey(nodes,i,table)
 if node then
-local position = checkedkey(node,position,table)
-position = position and #position == 12 and pdfarray(position)
-if position then
 nodelist[#nodelist+1] = pdfdictionary {
 Type = pdfconstant(3DNode),
 N= node.name or (node_ .. i), -- pdfunicode ?
@@ -325,13 +322,18 @@
 },
 M= position,
 }
+local position = checkedkey(node,position,table)
+position = position and #position == 12 and pdfarray(position)
+if position then
+nodelist[#nodelist].M = position
 end
 end
   end
-  viewdict.NR = true
   viewdict.NA = nodelist
end

+viewdict.NR = true
+
return viewdict

 end
@@ -349,19 +351,19 @@

 local activationdict = pdfdictionary {
TB = pdfboolean(param.toolbar,true),
-   NP = pdfboolean(param.tree,true),
+   NP = pdfboolean(param.tree,false),
 }

 local stream = streams[label]
 if not stream then

-local subtype, subdata = U3D, io.readdata(foundname) or 
+local subtype, subdata = U3D, file.readdata(foundname) or 
 if find(subdata,^PRC) then
-subtype == PRC
+subtype = PRC
 elseif find(subdata,^U3D) then
-subtype == U3D
+subtype = U3D
 elseif file.extname(foundname) == prc then
-subtype == PRC
+subtype = PRC
 end

 local attr = pdfdictionary {
@@ -423,12 +425,35 @@
 local ref = stored_pr[tag]
 if not ref then
 --  weird, has to be a /Form and not an /Image so we need a wrap = 
true key
---  local figure = img.immediatewrite { filename = preview, width = 
width, height = height }
-local figure = img.immediatewrite { stream = .5 .75 .75 rg 0 0 20 10 
re f, bbox = {0,0,20,10 } }
+local figure = img.immediatewrite { filename = preview, width = 
width, height = height }
+--  local figure = img.immediatewrite { stream = .5 .75 .75 rg 0 0 20 10 
re f, bbox = {0,0,20,10 } }
 ref = figure.objnum
 stored_pr[tag] = ref
 end
-annot.AP = ref and pdfdictionary { N = pdfreference(ref) }
+if ref then
+local pw   = pdfdictionary {
+Type  = pdfconstant(XObject),
+Subtype   = pdfconstant(Form),
+FormType  = pdfnumber(1),
+BBox  = pdfarray { pdfnumber(0), pdfnumber(0), 
pdfnumber(factor*width), pdfnumber(factor*height) },
+Matrix= pdfarray { pdfnumber(1), pdfnumber(0), 
pdfnumber(0), pdfnumber(1), pdfnumber(0), pdfnumber(0) },
+Resources = pdfdictionary {
+XObject = pdfdictionary {
+IM = pdfreference(ref)
+}
+},
+ExtGState = pdfdictionary {
+GS = pdfdictionary {
+Type = pdfconstant(ExtGState),
+CA   = pdfnumber(1),
+  

Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-03-26 Thread Hans Hagen

On 26-3-2010 6:53, Michail Vidiassov wrote:


lpdf-u3d.lua

if not stream then
local attr = pdfdictionary {
Type = pdfconstant(3D),
- Subtype = pdfconstant(U3D),
}
+ if string.upper(string.sub(foundname,-4))==.PRC then
+ attr.Subtype = pdfconstant(PRC)
+ else
+ attr.Subtype = pdfconstant(U3D)
+ end
local streamviews = checkedkey(streamparam, views, table)
if streamviews then
local list = pdfarray()

May be a more robust way is to read first 3 bytes of the model file, since
U3D or PRC signature is always there - that can be done instead of
relying on file name extension or only in case it it not u3d or prc.


more like:

local subtype, subdata = U3D, io.readdata(foundname) or 
if find(subdata,^PRC) then
subtype == PRC
elseif find(subdata,^U3D) then
subtype == U3D
elseif file.extname(foundname) == prc then
subtype == PRC
end


Also PRC annotations have to trigger setting PDF version to 1.7.3
(developer extensions dictionary mechanism).
It can be done per your advice directly

\doPDFaddtocatalog {
/Extensions
/ADBE
/BaseVersion /1.7
/ExtensionLevel 3
 
 
}

But what about an interface like \pdfmicroversion and
automatic pushing up of PDF version once PRC annontation happens?


i don't know that command and anyway want to get rid of all commands 
that start with \pdf


concerning versions ... peter rolf and i are working on detailed support 
for standards (also related to preflighting) and before i even want to 
look in some automated version handling we first need to get that bit 
done well



Also I try to remind you about pdfboolean problem in lpdf-ini.lua
(old code is not OK if b is false and default is true)

local function pdfboolean(b,default)
- if ((type(b) == boolean) and b) or default then
- return p_true
+ if type(b) ~= boolean then
+ if default then
+ return p_true
+ else
+ return p_false
+ end
else
- return p_false
+ if b then
+ return p_true
+ else
+ return p_false
+ end
end
end


i need to check it ... later (also for interferences)



PS. And a great palliative way to deal with 3D annotations is via
attaching a 3D PDF file made with LaTeX (by Asymptote, for example).


well, one can attach files as-is already (unless it's broken)


I can not deduce from existing sea of ConTeXt code the status of file
attachments support.


\attachment has been there for ages

actually, all kind of annotations hav ebeen supported as soon as they 
showed up in acrobat (mediademo is an exmaple of flash) but i gave up on 
implementing these things too early as in acrobat/pdf such new tricks 
normally needs a few versions to reach stability


Hans

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[NTG-context] 3D annotations - was: status of node.write

2010-03-25 Thread Michail Vidiassov

Dear Hans,

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:


there is u3d support presen tbut nobody tested it


thank you for your latest effort to put u3d support in a working state,
but as of now even the most basic test from back-u3d.mkiv does not work 
and is not supposed to:


grph-u3d.lua needs adding to the preamble

local pdfannotation   = nodes.pdfannotation
local todimen = string.todimen

and replacing

node.write(annotation... with node.write(pdfannotation(annotation...

to at least make code run without throwing error messages.

lpdf-u3d.lua has more severe problem:

--  weird, has to be a /Form and not an /Image so we need a wrap = true 
key
--  local figure = img.immediatewrite { filename = preview, width = 
width, height = height }
local figure = img.immediatewrite { stream = .5 .75 .75 rg 0 0 20 10 re 
f, bbox = {0,0,20,10 } }

shows that option to include a bitmap preview image into 3d 
annotation is just commented out.


On the other hand, an approach like in LaTeX package attachfile2 may be 
convenient - a PDF with just 3D annotation and minimal support elements 
(with or without preview) is attached to the main document, that has a 
clickable image that activates that attached PDF document in a separate 
window.
In this case the preparation of the attaced PDF can be 
completely delegated to external utility.

Does attachfile2 analog work in ConTeXt now?
Where to look for usage examples?

Sincerely, Michail


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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations - was: status of node.write

2010-03-25 Thread Hans Hagen

On 25-3-2010 20:12, Michail Vidiassov wrote:


to at least make code run without throwing error messages.


new beta

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] 3D annotations

2010-03-25 Thread Michail Vidiassov

Dear Hans,

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Michail Vidiassov wrote:


On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:


there is u3d support presen tbut nobody tested it


thank you for your latest effort to put u3d support in a working state, but


now that Adobe has fallen in love with a new 3D format, PRC, the following 
is to be changed:


lpdf-u3d.lua

 if not stream then
 local attr = pdfdictionary {
 Type= pdfconstant(3D),
-Subtype = pdfconstant(U3D),
 }
+if string.upper(string.sub(foundname,-4))==.PRC then
+attr.Subtype = pdfconstant(PRC)
+else
+attr.Subtype = pdfconstant(U3D)
+end
 local streamviews = checkedkey(streamparam, views, table)
 if streamviews then
 local list = pdfarray()

May be a more robust way is to read first 3 bytes of the model file, since
U3D or PRC signature is always there - that can be done instead of 
relying on file name extension or only in case it it not u3d or prc.


Also PRC annotations have to trigger setting PDF version to 1.7.3
(developer extensions dictionary mechanism).
It can be done per your advice directly

\doPDFaddtocatalog {
  /Extensions
/ADBE
/BaseVersion /1.7
  /ExtensionLevel 3


}

But what about an interface like \pdfmicroversion and
automatic pushing up of PDF version once PRC annontation happens?

Also I try to remind you about pdfboolean problem in lpdf-ini.lua
(old code is not OK if b is false and default is true)

 local function pdfboolean(b,default)
-if ((type(b) == boolean) and b) or default then
-return p_true
+if type(b) ~= boolean then
+if default then
+return p_true
+else
+return p_false
+end
 else
-return p_false
+if b then
+return p_true
+else
+return p_false
+end
 end
 end

   Sincerely, Michail

PS. And a great palliative way to deal with 3D annotations is via
attaching a 3D PDF file made with LaTeX (by Asymptote, for example).

But while your method of answering my messages in lua works OK for
new code (updating minimals and making a diff with old code is not
harder than checking e-mail inbox - Your morning patch, sir! ;),
I can not deduce from existing sea of ConTeXt code the status of file 
attachments support.
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