Re: [NTG-context] Asciidoc to PDF over Context
On 2/12/2015 10:18 PM, Tobias Famulla wrote: Hello Mailing-List, I used Latex for a few years in university to create reports for assignments and also to write my bachelor thesis (I would have liked to use Context, but the right schema for citation was not available and I had no time to create it myself). Over the time I got a little bit frustrated with Latex, because it has many modules and most of the time gets the job done, but writing Latex can sometimes be quite hard sometime to me (you have to have the modules installed, tweak around with charactersets, imagepositioning, ...). In between I looked at much smaller and sleaker document representations languages (asciidoc, restructuredText, Markdown) and writing in it is a pleasure compared to Latex (I haven't really tried out Context but looked over the documentation and it looked more promising but shares the same design ideas). Asciidoc is even able to declarate source code listings and formulas. Never the less, the output to Pdf is not always the nicest one. The reason why I now write to this list, is, that I imagine, that Context could be the right processor to create beautiful PDFs out of intermediate formats (DocBook 5 or Asciidoc). For the conversion to Latex a module for asciidoctor (ruby implementation) is in developement. The ideal system I imagine would be close to what is used with HTML and CSS on the web: Having a easy to use file format to writing you documents (Asciidoc or DocBook as intermediate format) and a system to create the PDFs (maybe Context and a Context-Template) So my main questions are: - Are there straigt forward ways to create PDFs with Context using Docbook 5? it's not too hard to implement but so far i never ran into docbook files (so it's mostly lack of momentum / motivation / reason) - Are there not that hard possibilites to write extentions to Context to do exactly that (maybe using Lua)? docbook is just xml and as we process quite complex ml here i guess it should be doable within the current functionality - Does it make more sense, when using another input format like Asciidoc, to write a converter which directly creates a Context-document? (although it might be more versatile to use DocBook for other formats like Markdown or DocBook itself) it depends on your documents ... as soon as you need more structure, more control over how it has to look typeset, the advantage of light coding quickly disappears; and even if there are escapes the coding then looks pretty bad compared to a clean tex (or xml) source (these ascii based codings remind me of university times long ago, when i wrote some basic formatting / pagination code using simple directives so that we could handle our thesis on those terminals ... i must have the (pascal) source someplace ... a couple of years later I found out that on those vax machines there could have been tex running) Sincerely, Tobias ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Asciidoc to PDF over Context
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Tobias Famulla u...@famulla.eu wrote: Hello Mailing-List, I used Latex for a few years in university to create reports for assignments and also to write my bachelor thesis (I would have liked to use Context, but the right schema for citation was not available and I had no time to create it myself). Over the time I got a little bit frustrated with Latex, because it has many modules and most of the time gets the job done, but writing Latex can sometimes be quite hard sometime to me (you have to have the modules installed, tweak around with charactersets, imagepositioning, ...). In between I looked at much smaller and sleaker document representations languages (asciidoc, restructuredText, Markdown) and writing in it is a pleasure compared to Latex (I haven't really tried out Context but looked over the documentation and it looked more promising but shares the same design ideas). Asciidoc is even able to declarate source code listings and formulas. Never the less, the output to Pdf is not always the nicest one. The reason why I now write to this list, is, that I imagine, that Context could be the right processor to create beautiful PDFs out of intermediate formats (DocBook 5 or Asciidoc). For the conversion to Latex a module for asciidoctor (ruby implementation) is in developement. The ideal system I imagine would be close to what is used with HTML and CSS on the web: Having a easy to use file format to writing you documents (Asciidoc or DocBook as intermediate format) and a system to create the PDFs (maybe Context and a Context-Template) So my main questions are: - Are there straigt forward ways to create PDFs with Context using Docbook 5? - Are there not that hard possibilites to write extentions to Context to do exactly that (maybe using Lua)? - Does it make more sense, when using another input format like Asciidoc, to write a converter which directly creates a Context-document? (although it might be more versatile to use DocBook for other formats like Markdown or DocBook itself) Context alredy has a kind of xslt processor written in lpeg and embedded into the format. --- see for example http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML The DocBook is a huge specification, so I guess that a convert for ConTeXt takes a huge amount of work if you want to map everything --- but it is feasible if you plan to start with a small subset. From this point of view, Docbook already has a xslt to latex, so working on a xslt to context maybe makes more sense, if one accepts that context is still evolving. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Asciidoc to PDF over Context
On 2015-02-13 luigi scarso wrote: On 2015-02-12 Tobias Famulla u...@famulla.eu wrote: Context could be the right processor to create beautiful PDFs out of intermediate formats (DocBook 5 or Asciidoc). The DocBook is a huge specification, so I guess that a convert for ConTeXt takes a huge amount of work if you want to map everything --- but it is feasible if you plan to start with a small subset. From this point of view, Docbook already has a xslt to latex DocBook has even ConTeXt output http://sourceforge.net/projects/dblatex/files/dbcontext/ Actually it produces quite obsolete syntax, but it is a good starting point for further tweaking. Exactly this I did in my recent project. While my resources are very limited, if any effort in this field will start, I can share my DocBook/XSLT experience. It could also be a nice GSoC project for students: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201501/msg00027.html Btw, I prefer DocBook over lightweight markup languages (Markdown, Asciidoc) as latter lack semantics and advanced structuring, which may be limiting in some projects requiring advanced formatting. Jan attachment: winmail.dat___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Asciidoc to PDF over Context
Hello Mailing-List, I used Latex for a few years in university to create reports for assignments and also to write my bachelor thesis (I would have liked to use Context, but the right schema for citation was not available and I had no time to create it myself). Over the time I got a little bit frustrated with Latex, because it has many modules and most of the time gets the job done, but writing Latex can sometimes be quite hard sometime to me (you have to have the modules installed, tweak around with charactersets, imagepositioning, ...). In between I looked at much smaller and sleaker document representations languages (asciidoc, restructuredText, Markdown) and writing in it is a pleasure compared to Latex (I haven't really tried out Context but looked over the documentation and it looked more promising but shares the same design ideas). Asciidoc is even able to declarate source code listings and formulas. Never the less, the output to Pdf is not always the nicest one. The reason why I now write to this list, is, that I imagine, that Context could be the right processor to create beautiful PDFs out of intermediate formats (DocBook 5 or Asciidoc). For the conversion to Latex a module for asciidoctor (ruby implementation) is in developement. The ideal system I imagine would be close to what is used with HTML and CSS on the web: Having a easy to use file format to writing you documents (Asciidoc or DocBook as intermediate format) and a system to create the PDFs (maybe Context and a Context-Template) So my main questions are: - Are there straigt forward ways to create PDFs with Context using Docbook 5? - Are there not that hard possibilites to write extentions to Context to do exactly that (maybe using Lua)? - Does it make more sense, when using another input format like Asciidoc, to write a converter which directly creates a Context-document? (although it might be more versatile to use DocBook for other formats like Markdown or DocBook itself) Sincerely, Tobias attachment: uni.vcf___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
