Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net writes: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this page), two columns of regular text, margin notes *for both columns* set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as to what it would take on the Context side. I don't think it's extreme - I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss any of what it contains. I think there would need to be a lot of typing inside of the Bible text itself (for example, needing to manually tag each and every chapter of each book of the Bible), to get the guide-words to display correctly - you definitely wouldn't be able to just book-end the Bible with some code at the beginning and end. I don't know how easy it is to get margin notes from two different text columns to combine into one margin column. The rest of it seems not very challenging from a ConTeXt point of view - footnotes are quite well-supported (though again for both the footnotes and the margin notes there would be considerable hand-work adding the commands for every single note, to make them appear in the right places); and the physical layout of the page is not difficult in itself. The benefit of all that typing, if done with the right kind of planning in mind, would be that later you'd easily be able to change the page size, amount of white space, fonts and font sizes, etc. The disadvantage would be that you would no longer have the clean, plain text of the Bible in your ConTeXt file; it would be permanently littered with commands and switches, so it would be much harder to check your textual accuracy. Therefore you would want to be quite sure you have exactly the Bible version you want, with all the spelling corrected and verses and paragraphs the way they ought to be and so on, before you begin your ConTeXt adventure. -- David R ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
On 7/23/2013 9:47 PM, David Rogers wrote: Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net writes: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this page), two columns of regular text, margin notes *for both columns* set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as to what it would take on the Context side. I don't think it's extreme - I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss any of what it contains. I think there would need to be a lot of typing inside of the Bible text itself (for example, needing to manually tag each and every chapter of each book of the Bible), to get the guide-words to display correctly - you definitely wouldn't be able to just book-end the Bible with some code at the beginning and end. I don't know how easy it is to get margin notes from two different text columns to combine into one margin column. The rest of it seems not very challenging from a ConTeXt point of view - footnotes are quite well-supported (though again for both the footnotes and the margin notes there would be considerable hand-work adding the commands for every single note, to make them appear in the right places); and the physical layout of the page is not difficult in itself. critical editions is one area where extensions can be expected in context The benefit of all that typing, if done with the right kind of planning in mind, would be that later you'd easily be able to change the page size, amount of white space, fonts and font sizes, etc. The disadvantage would be that you would no longer have the clean, plain text of the Bible in your ConTeXt file; it would be permanently littered with commands and switches, so it would be much harder to check your textual accuracy. Therefore you would want to be quite sure you have exactly the Bible version you want, with all the spelling corrected and verses and paragraphs the way they ought to be and so on, before you begin your ConTeXt adventure. as long as you use enough structure it's ok and you can write checkers (often xml is a good choice too) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net writes: Hi, I have a jpg of an image of an oldish Zondervan NIV Bible page. I love the layout of this and would love to do similar layouts. Can the Context experts look at this and tell me if this sort of layout is reasonable, in Context? To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this page), two columns of regular text, margin notes *for both columns* set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? -- David R ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
Am 21.07.2013 um 06:22 schrieb Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net: Hi, I have a jpg of an image of an oldish Zondervan NIV Bible page. I love the layout of this and would love to do similar layouts. Can the Context experts look at this and tell me if this sort of layout is reasonable, in Context? The layout should be possible but one has to write some extra code to simplify the input of the text, notes etc. Before this code is written some specs about the text between the columns and in the footnote area are needed. PS. Don’t create a new thread by replying to a older one (which you did now twice) and changing the subject. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this page), two columns of regular text, margin notes *for both columns* set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as to what it would take on the Context side. thanks, Russ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Can this layout be done in Context
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:01:17AM +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: The layout should be possible but one has to write some extra code to simplify the input of the text, notes etc. That's is kind of what i was expecting, but it good to get a sense that this is not totally out of the realm. PS. Don’t create a new thread by replying to a older one (which you did now twice) and changing the subject. Sorry about that. Mea culpa. I'll really try to not let that happen again! Thanks, Russ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
