Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:48 AM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance. It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he' to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another). Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads surprisingly well. I would find a switch like that weird and disconcerting, as if the text were unmoored in some sense. I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.) I very much dislike the singular they, though its use goes back centuries. Cheers, Rory On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote: Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is always a bit odd. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a): I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.) I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) Regards -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) I doubt I will ever write enough documents for my coin to be subjected to a statistically rigorous test of fairness! Cheers, Rory ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 05:18:55PM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) I doubt I will ever write enough documents for my coin to be subjected to a statistically rigorous test of fairness! Agree, but try to explain that to a fanatic feminist! Cheers, Rory Best, -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Monday 26 July 2010 01:47:13 David Rogers wrote: * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. They is usually acceptable, even though it's technically incorrect. Many teachers of English are against its use, but in real life nobody cares. He sells sea shells by the sea shore? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is always a bit odd. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance. It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he' to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another). Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads surprisingly well. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote: Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is always a bit odd. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
* Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. They is usually acceptable, even though it's technically incorrect. Many teachers of English are against its use, but in real life nobody cares. -- David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
