Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-19 Thread luigi scarso via ntg-context 
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 at 21:56, Hans Hagen via ntg-context 
wrote:

> On 6/18/2023 8:37 PM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 06:53:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context
> wrote:
> >> What is PFC data?
> >
> > The glyph containers on a table-based SFNT format
>
> So just shapes or pieces of shapes?
>
>
https://hal.science/hal-02112905v1/file/article-yannis.pdf

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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-18 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 6/18/2023 8:37 PM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:

On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 06:53:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:


On 6/17/2023 2:06 AM, linguafalsa--- via ntg-context wrote:

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:49PM +0200, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context wrote:

I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
best places to find an answer.



It is the best community. And I tell you what.

What happened is that all TeX engines have neglected fonts from the beginning.


Really? When tex showed up digital font technology was pretty much in flux.
And, with metafont being part of the tex ecosystem, one can argue that tex
was quite innovative too.


Ecosystem. I would be very careful by including an ecosystem there.
Yes. Yes. The TeX ecosystem is obviously part of TeX but is not part
of the ecosystem of fonts either. And what is done on ecosystems
can either benefit or affect ecosystems greatly. And it's a known
trait that humans have been known for having more of a flock group
mentality for no apparent rationally-based reasons than just being
themselves making  these decisions/following instincts or whatever
and not because of a particular ecosystem, or for the benefit of the latter.


With ecosystemn I mean: tex, metafont, cmr fonts, all kind of tools ... 
evolving into more engines, more fonts, macro packages, distributions, 
user groups and use group journals, meetings etc



And the above does not imply, bear with me here, that metafont was
not innovative, but it can be argued that without TeX there is no
metafont, so no room is left for errors either. So, yes, it must be
innovative. It has to be.


There had to be metafont because there was not much else that could 
provide what tex needed (at that time).



Potscript and its fonts came aroudn at the same time and were rather closed
technologies. But as soon possible backend drivers (also part of the tex
ecosystem) kicked in.

Then we got virtual fonts which enhanced tex's capabilities.


I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.

But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign (and 
not TeX).



Licensing freedom is an oxymoron. There's no freedom in licensing.
Only greed.

The only extension engine that at one point had a plan in mind,
or most of the bases covered in this regard was Omega.


One needs morr than plans. Afaik omega was more about input processing and
th efont part was mostly going beyond 8 bit fonts but i might have missed
something (omega was never productin ready).


Notwithstanding the intricacies/details of what may have actually
happened with its short lifespan I think it's more than clear the lack
of support behind it. I'm not going to delve into what exactly caused
its demise or if it was simply the after effect of other projects
that contributed to it. It's irrelevant.


Hm, its time span was not that short ... I first heard of omega at the 
eurotex meeting in arnhem where also etex was discussed (and you 
dont'want me to cite things said there) .. in successive years there 
have been announcemnts etc.


However, for an engine to be used it must work reliable and guiseppes 
'aleph' was basically a variant of omega that also had etex on board.
In fact, that was supported in context mkii (and some used it because of 
the input processor which i think was the more innovative thing in omega 
but i never dived into it, other users did)


It makes no sense to discuss into all this as all teams involved in 
engines have published in user group journals or presented plans at 
meetings.


Also keep in mind that we're talking frontend here; omega is dvi based 
so like regular tex and etex whatever it does with fonts is not really 
related to the engine bu tup to the backend: the engine only needs 
metrics (omega extended tfm into ofm for that).


pdftex brought a pdf backend, xetex pipes into a dvi backend, luatex has 
a pdf backend built in; (nts being related to etec never took of also 
because it was not that useable and in the meantime pdftex had taken 
over); there are afaik some very useable japanese tex engines; the fact 
that dvi survived was due to dvipdfmx development



But stand by for a second. I look forward to your quick witted answers. But 
hear me
out

Suppose that on my prior message I was referring indeed to 'mkii' and
not to 'omega'

And also suppose for a second that the term 'omega' is to be replaced
with 'mkii' on your reply accordingly

After careful observation the resemblance is quite possibly identical,
isn't it? and it could also inarguably apply to the circumstances as
well. Don't you think?


no it isn't, its building upon hat is there:

mkii -> mkiv   -> mkxl
(pdf)tex ->

Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-18 Thread Carlos via ntg-context 
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 06:53:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

> On 6/17/2023 2:06 AM, linguafalsa--- via ntg-context wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:49PM +0200, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context 
> > wrote:
> > > I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of 
> > > the best places to find an answer.
> > > 
> > 
> > It is the best community. And I tell you what.
> > 
> > What happened is that all TeX engines have neglected fonts from the 
> > beginning.
> 
> Really? When tex showed up digital font technology was pretty much in flux.
> And, with metafont being part of the tex ecosystem, one can argue that tex
> was quite innovative too.

Ecosystem. I would be very careful by including an ecosystem there.
Yes. Yes. The TeX ecosystem is obviously part of TeX but is not part
of the ecosystem of fonts either. And what is done on ecosystems
can either benefit or affect ecosystems greatly. And it's a known
trait that humans have been known for having more of a flock group
mentality for no apparent rationally-based reasons than just being
themselves making  these decisions/following instincts or whatever
and not because of a particular ecosystem, or for the benefit of the latter.

And the above does not imply, bear with me here, that metafont was
not innovative, but it can be argued that without TeX there is no
metafont, so no room is left for errors either. So, yes, it must be
innovative. It has to be.

> 
> Potscript and its fonts came aroudn at the same time and were rather closed
> technologies. But as soon possible backend drivers (also part of the tex
> ecosystem) kicked in.
> 
> Then we got virtual fonts which enhanced tex's capabilities.
> 
> > > I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared 
> > > style'.
> > > 
> > > But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more 
> > > licensing freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive 
> > > searching. The only one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the 
> > > URW Classico ones in Adobe Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in 
> > > Adobe programs like InDesign (and not TeX).
> > > 
> > 
> > Licensing freedom is an oxymoron. There's no freedom in licensing.
> > Only greed.
> > 
> > The only extension engine that at one point had a plan in mind,
> > or most of the bases covered in this regard was Omega.
> 
> One needs morr than plans. Afaik omega was more about input processing and
> th efont part was mostly going beyond 8 bit fonts but i might have missed
> something (omega was never productin ready).


Notwithstanding the intricacies/details of what may have actually
happened with its short lifespan I think it's more than clear the lack
of support behind it. I'm not going to delve into what exactly caused
its demise or if it was simply the after effect of other projects
that contributed to it. It's irrelevant.

But stand by for a second. I look forward to your quick witted answers. But 
hear me
out

Suppose that on my prior message I was referring indeed to 'mkii' and
not to 'omega' 

And also suppose for a second that the term 'omega' is to be replaced
with 'mkii' on your reply accordingly 

After careful observation the resemblance is quite possibly identical,
isn't it? and it could also inarguably apply to the circumstances as
well. Don't you think?

I mean, it's like comparing oranges with apples, and mkii with mkiv and
mkvi and so forth 

If you were to tell me then, that mkii for instance was not aimed
as an input processing I can almos assure its falsiliability is written
all over, even before the sentence is processed and thought out loud
by you.

Bottom line is that the production-ready part is an obvious byproduct
of its short lifespan, but one cannot be making the claim (false as
would have been seen later, because omega carbon footprint lasted more
on books than on shelves really, not for selling out fast but rather
discontinued quickly) and that its goal was solely within this input
processing spectrum. Because it wasn't.

Or heck

or heck. Let's go even further. By making the dubious assertion
that we've been built with noses to hold our eyeglasses lest these
eyeglasses fall off while reading, or that we've been built with ears
to hold pencils and pens in the ears while thinking and writing.

For crying out loud. 

> 
> It is xetex that hooked into opentype although pdftex can actually deal with
> truetype fonts to some extend. Before there was something 'opentype' we had
> two competing but similar technologies. And it took a while before it was
> even clear how to interpre the specification (also think about reverse
> engeneering fonts and heuristics and ... bugs or features ...). TeX was
> always pretty fast in picking up new stuff (maybe users less so).
> 
> > When it came to commercial fonts the plan of action ahead was by
> > including PFC data on these very same commercial fonts that would
> > benefit primarily its opentype

Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-18 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 6/18/2023 10:20 AM, Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context wrote:




On 16 Jun 2023, at 17:35, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context  
wrote:

I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
best places to find an answer.

I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.

But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign (and 
not TeX).

I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
bold, and bold-italic.

Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also for 
commercial use) to use out there?


Not free but good value: Fontspring have a font called Ophian that looks (to my 
untrained eye!) a reasonable match with Optima.




Optima has a very recognizable and distinctive design. One of my 
favourites. The palatino nova is another favourite and has a nice sans 
(casual).



$22 for the first licence added to the shopping cart then reductions show for 
the subsequent licences. I'm guessing you'll need two: desktop in order to 
install on a PC and publish a printed book, and eBook to allow distribution of 
a PDF or eBook, so 33 USD in total. There's no time limit nor number of copies 
limit as far as I can see - just one eBook licence per title.

Maybe there will be VAT etc added when you get to checkout - I didn't go that 
far.
Yes, but it smells a bit like some clone. I have an official optima nova 
cd (in type one format, i can't afford the opentype right now) as well 
as the official palatino nova cd (in opentype format); I got them from 
the master himself, which makes them even more special. (It reminds me 
that I need to check if we can drop in replacements in the pagella math.)


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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-18 Thread Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context 


> On 16 Jun 2023, at 17:35, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context  
> wrote:
> 
> I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
> best places to find an answer.
> 
> I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.
> 
> But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
> freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
> one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
> Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign 
> (and not TeX).
> 
> I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
> bold, and bold-italic.
> 
> Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also 
> for commercial use) to use out there?

Not free but good value: Fontspring have a font called Ophian that looks (to my 
untrained eye!) a reasonable match with Optima.



$22 for the first licence added to the shopping cart then reductions show for 
the subsequent licences. I'm guessing you'll need two: desktop in order to 
install on a PC and publish a printed book, and eBook to allow distribution of 
a PDF or eBook, so 33 USD in total. There's no time limit nor number of copies 
limit as far as I can see - just one eBook licence per title.

Maybe there will be VAT etc added when you get to checkout - I didn't go that 
far.

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Hampshire, UK

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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-17 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context 

On 6/17/2023 2:06 AM, linguafalsa--- via ntg-context wrote:

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:49PM +0200, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context wrote:

I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
best places to find an answer.



It is the best community. And I tell you what.

What happened is that all TeX engines have neglected fonts from the beginning.


Really? When tex showed up digital font technology was pretty much in 
flux. And, with metafont being part of the tex ecosystem, one can argue 
that tex was quite innovative too.


Potscript and its fonts came aroudn at the same time and were rather 
closed technologies. But as soon possible backend drivers (also part of 
the tex ecosystem) kicked in.


Then we got virtual fonts which enhanced tex's capabilities.


I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.

But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign (and 
not TeX).



Licensing freedom is an oxymoron. There's no freedom in licensing.
Only greed.

The only extension engine that at one point had a plan in mind,
or most of the bases covered in this regard was Omega.


One needs morr than plans. Afaik omega was more about input processing 
and th efont part was mostly going beyond 8 bit fonts but i might have 
missed something (omega was never productin ready).


It is xetex that hooked into opentype although pdftex can actually deal 
with truetype fonts to some extend. Before there was something 
'opentype' we had two competing but similar technologies. And it took a 
while before it was even clear how to interpre the specification (also 
think about reverse engeneering fonts and heuristics and ... bugs or 
features ...). TeX was always pretty fast in picking up new stuff (maybe 
users less so).



When it came to commercial fonts the plan of action ahead was by
including PFC data on these very same commercial fonts that would
benefit primarily its opentype versions in the long run.


What is PFC data?


What do you have right now? Opentype fonts only. Sure. Quality can be
even the same than its type1 counterpart, and at times not so much
according so some folks that have bothered to go the extra length in
making the most accurate comparison that's available between them two.


For most fonts it's just 'more shapes' which then also leads to more 
ligatures, kerns etc btu that is already nice. And when fonts lack 
something we can always tweak them (runtime).



But looking at it from a bright side/perspective, I think we're no
longer facing the same pre-historic constraints of including a font
as before, as long as it's not for commercial purposes, You are well
aware of these non and commercial uses even before  your extensive
search anyway,


I'm not sure what is the difference between commercial fonts and free 
ones as they use the same technology; with some exceptions, fonts are 
not that expensive (take lucida from tug, making fonts takes time after 
all); and for publishers it's noise on their budgets.



p.s many many years ago I read and followed some publications about
the aformentioned extension and just went over them recently, to
have an idea what did and did not work. In regards to typefaces,
its goal was unmatched, or so I think.


It might be comforting to know that right from the start luatex made a 
lot possible wrt fonts (runtime manipulation) and was also one of the 
first to support variable fonts, color fonts etc (not that many care 
about that). And with luametatex we go even further.



I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
bold, and bold-italic.

Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also for 
commercial use) to use out there?
I had to search the net to figure out that flare sans fonts are sans 
fonts with serifs


For those into fonts:

https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb44-1/tb136carter-romano.pdf

I a very nice overview of how it went with digital fonts (and what we 
probably lost in getting where we are now and might loose soon).


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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread linguafalsa--- via ntg-context 
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:49PM +0200, Gerben Wierda via ntg-context wrote:
> I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
> best places to find an answer.
> 

It is the best community. And I tell you what. 

What happened is that all TeX engines have neglected fonts from the beginning.  

> I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.
> 
> But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
> freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
> one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
> Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign 
> (and not TeX).
> 

Licensing freedom is an oxymoron. There's no freedom in licensing.
Only greed. 

The only extension engine that at one point had a plan in mind,
or most of the bases covered in this regard was Omega.

When it came to commercial fonts the plan of action ahead was by
including PFC data on these very same commercial fonts that would
benefit primarily its opentype versions in the long run.

What do you have right now? Opentype fonts only. Sure. Quality can be
even the same than its type1 counterpart, and at times not so much
according so some folks that have bothered to go the extra length in
making the most accurate comparison that's available between them two.

But looking at it from a bright side/perspective, I think we're no
longer facing the same pre-historic constraints of including a font
as before, as long as it's not for commercial purposes, You are well
aware of these non and commercial uses even before  your extensive
search anyway,

p.s many many years ago I read and followed some publications about
the aformentioned extension and just went over them recently, to
have an idea what did and did not work. In regards to typefaces,
its goal was unmatched, or so I think.

> I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
> bold, and bold-italic.
> 
> Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also 
> for commercial use) to use out there?
> 
> Yours,
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread Marcus Vinicius Mesquita via ntg-context 
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:36 PM Gerben Wierda via ntg-context
 wrote:
>
> I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
> best places to find an answer.
>
> I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.
>
> But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
> freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
> one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
> Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign 
> (and not TeX).


Is this kind of tie-in sale even legal?


>
>
> I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
> bold, and bold-italic.
>
> Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also 
> for commercial use) to use out there?
>
> Yours,
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread Gerben Wierda via ntg-context 
Only regular, italic, bold, no bold italic (just as the Linux Bilonium it was 
forked from)

> On 16 Jun 2023, at 18:39, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
>  wrote:
> 
> Am 16.06.23 um 18:35 schrieb Gerben Wierda via ntg-context:
>> I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of 
>> the best places to find an answer.
>> I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.
>> But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
>> freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
>> one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in 
>> Adobe Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like 
>> InDesign (and not TeX).
>> I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
>> bold, and bold-italic.
>> Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is /really/ free (so also 
>> for commercial use) to use out there?
> 
> How about Libertinus Sans?
> https://github.com/alerque/libertinus
> 
> Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context 
Hi,

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 6:36 PM Gerben Wierda via ntg-context
 wrote:
>
> I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
> best places to find an answer.
>
> I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.
>
> But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
> freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
> one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
> Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign 
> (and not TeX).
>
> I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
> bold, and bold-italic.
>
> Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also 
> for commercial use) to use out there?
>

Maybe you like libertinus sans (linux biolinum)?

/Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 

Am 16.06.23 um 18:35 schrieb Gerben Wierda via ntg-context:
I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one 
of the best places to find an answer.


I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.

But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more 
licensing freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive 
searching. The only one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the 
URW Classico ones in Adobe Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in 
Adobe programs like InDesign (and not TeX).


I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, 
italic, bold, and bold-italic.


Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is /really/ free (so 
also for commercial use) to use out there?


How about Libertinus Sans?
https://github.com/alerque/libertinus

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Off topic: Does a 'free for commercial use' flared-sans font exist in the world?

2023-06-16 Thread Gerben Wierda via ntg-context 
I know this is off topic, but I suspect this community is actually one of the 
best places to find an answer.

I really like Optima, and what I really like about it is the 'flared style'.

But I would like to move to a flared-sans font that gives me more licensing 
freedom. I haven't been able to find one after extensive searching. The only 
one who were reasonably priced (not free) were the URW Classico ones in Adobe 
Creative Cloud, but those can only be used in Adobe programs like InDesign (and 
not TeX).

I found some flared-sans fonts, but not one with at least regular, italic, 
bold, and bold-italic.

Is there really not a single flared-sans font that is really free (so also for 
commercial use) to use out there?

Yours,

Gerben Wierda (LinkedIn , Mastodon 
)
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