[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
Le 26/02/2024 à 18:53, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=gfsdidot* Wolfgang, You're right, here below the lack of italics typeface identifier familyname fontname filename subfont instances gfsdidot gfsdidot gfsdidotregular GFSDidot-Regular.ttf gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotclassicnormal gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotclassicregular gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotnormal gfsdidot gfsdidotregular GFSDidot-Regular.ttf gfsdidotregular gfsdidot gfsdidotregular GFSDidot-Regular.ttf After installing the whole stuff, I have : identifier familyname fontname filename subfont instances gfsdidotbold gfsdidot gfsdidotbold GFSDidotBold.otf gfsdidotbolditalic gfsdidot gfsdidotbolditalic GFSDidotBoldItalic.otf gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotclassicnormal gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotclassicregular gfsdidotclassic gfsdidotclassic GFSDidot_Classic.otf gfsdidotitalic gfsdidot gfsdidotitalic GFSDidotItalic.otf gfsdidotnormal gfsdidot gfsdidotregular GFSDidot.otf gfsdidotregular gfsdidot gfsdidotregular GFSDidot.otf And of course the MWE is now giving the expected result ... I'm really sorry about the noise: I was sure I'd installed all the font faces correctly. Many thanks Wolfgang. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
Jean-Pierre Delange schrieb am 26.02.2024 um 18:41: Thanks to Thomas and Denis, That's it: use GFS Didot for the French text and Theano Didot for the Greek. In my working text I have this preamble (and other things): [...] I've found a solution, with Segoeui (Windows font) as the main font and Theano Didot for the Greek text. But I don't understand why setting the fonts to GFS Didot and Theano Didot prevents italics from being displayed ... Can you show the output of the following command on the terminal which lists all available font files for GFS Didot: mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=gfsdidot* Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
Thanks to Thomas and Denis,
That's it: use GFS Didot for the French text and Theano Didot for the
Greek. In my working text I have this preamble (and other things):
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]]
\setuplayout [backspace=40mm]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided, location={header, inmargin}]
\setupmargindata[inmargin][location=inner,
style={setupinterlinespace[line=2.8ex]}]
\setupmarginframed[inmargin][align=right]
\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]
\definefallbackfamily[mainface][rm][Theano
Didot][preset=range:greek,force=yes]
\definefontfamily[mainface][rm][GFS Didot]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 11pt]
I'm currently working on MS Windows 11 for the moment (as a test beside
Linux). I didn't try to compile this text under Linux, but I don't think
there is an issue with the OS.
As far as GFS Didot is concerned, I have installed the most recent
version. But what amazes me the most is that by only keeping a font like
EBGaramond without writing :
\definefallbackfamily
[mainface]
[rm]
[Theano Didot]
[preset=range:greek,force=yes]
So, using EBGaramond only, I have the French text (with italics), as
well as the Greek text...
Try this :
\setuplanguage
\mainlanguage[fr,agr]
\definefontfamily
[mainface]
[rm]
[EBGaramond]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 12pt]
\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]
\starttext
Socrate est descendu au Pirée et affirme sa satisfaction du culte rendu
à cette nouvelle déesse par les Thraces; néanmoins, {\em il ne nous dit
rien des prières} qu'il a lui-même rendues à la déesse avec les autres
participants, dont il fait pourtant état. Sur le chemin du retour, il
est arrêté par Polémarque qui leur apprend qu'une retraite aux flambeaux
à cheval est prévue par les Thraces, ainsi qu'une fête de nuit
\quote{qui vaut la peine d'être vue} (ἣν ἄξιον θεάσασθαι; {\em èn
axion théasasthai} - 328a).
\blank
Κάθε άνθρωπος δικαιούται να επικαλείται όλα τα δικαιώματα και όλες τις
ελευθερίες που προκηρύσσει η παρούσα Διακήρυξη, χωρίς καμία απολύτως
διάκριση, ειδικότερα ως προς τη φυλή, το χρώμα, το φύλο, τη γλώσσα, τις
θρησκείες, τις πολιτικές ή οποιεσδήποτε άλλες πεποιθήσεις, την εθνική ή
κοινωνική καταγωγή, την περιουσία, τη γέννηση ή οποιαδήποτε άλλη κατάσταση.
Δεν θα μπορεί ακόμα να γίνεται καμία διάκριση εξαιτίας του πολιτικού,
νομικού ή διεθνούς καθεστώτος της χώρας από την οποία προέρχεται κανείς,
είτε πρόκειται για χώρα ή εδαφική περιοχή ανεξάρτητη, υπό κηδεμονία ή
υπεξουσία, ή που βρίσκεται υπό οποιονδήποτε άλλον περιορισμό κυριαρχίας.
\stoptext
I've found a solution, with Segoeui (Windows font) as the main font and
Theano Didot for the Greek text.
But I don't understand why setting the fonts to GFS Didot and Theano
Didot prevents italics from being displayed ...
Best//JP
Le 26/02/2024 à 15:02, Thomas A. Schmitz a écrit :
I just tried your example with the latest version of GFSDidot (the older
version I had on my system did not show some diacritics; this problem
disappeared when I installed the latest), and the italics are there, I don’t
see any problem in the pdf. If you want the Greek displayed in Theano, you will
have to add “force=yes” to your definition of the fallback family:
\definefallbackfamily
[mainface]
[rm]
[Theano Didot]
[preset=range:greek,force=yes]
Your text cannot have two main languages, so
\mainlanguage[fr]
If you want hyphenation for your Greek passages, you can add
\setuplanguage [fr] [patterns={fr,agr}]
The line where you have polytonic Greek does not use precomposed characters,
but combinations of greek characters and diacritics; this will probably not
work in recent context versions that expect actual unicode input.
I hope I have really understood what you want: GFSDIdot for the French text and
Theano for Greek?
HTH
Thomas
On 26. Feb 2024, at 13:32, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
Dear list,
When handling the preamble to a document in which I would like to treat the
text in French, with sometimes italics text and phrases in ancient Greek, I
encounter the following difficulty:
if I use TeX Gyre Pagella as the main font, everything works fine, except for
the Ancient Greek text, which I don't like the look of. But the Greek text is
displayed, as are the French italics. On the other hand, if I use GFS Didot as
the main font and Theano Didot for the Greek, the italics disappear and the
Greek text looks better. The CTX version I use is: mtx-context | current
version: 2024.01.24 22:39.
Herewith are two MWE attachments (*.tex + *.pdf) with different fonts. What am
I missing ? Thanks for your answers.
JP
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[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
I just tried your example with the latest version of GFSDidot (the older
version I had on my system did not show some diacritics; this problem
disappeared when I installed the latest), and the italics are there, I don’t
see any problem in the pdf. If you want the Greek displayed in Theano, you will
have to add “force=yes” to your definition of the fallback family:
\definefallbackfamily
[mainface]
[rm]
[Theano Didot]
[preset=range:greek,force=yes]
Your text cannot have two main languages, so
\mainlanguage[fr]
If you want hyphenation for your Greek passages, you can add
\setuplanguage [fr] [patterns={fr,agr}]
The line where you have polytonic Greek does not use precomposed characters,
but combinations of greek characters and diacritics; this will probably not
work in recent context versions that expect actual unicode input.
I hope I have really understood what you want: GFSDIdot for the French text and
Theano for Greek?
HTH
Thomas
> On 26. Feb 2024, at 13:32, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> When handling the preamble to a document in which I would like to treat the
> text in French, with sometimes italics text and phrases in ancient Greek, I
> encounter the following difficulty:
> if I use TeX Gyre Pagella as the main font, everything works fine, except for
> the Ancient Greek text, which I don't like the look of. But the Greek text is
> displayed, as are the French italics. On the other hand, if I use GFS Didot
> as the main font and Theano Didot for the Greek, the italics disappear and
> the Greek text looks better. The CTX version I use is: mtx-context | current
> version: 2024.01.24 22:39.
>
> Herewith are two MWE attachments (*.tex + *.pdf) with different fonts. What
> am I missing ? Thanks for your answers.
>
> JP
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[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
Nevermind, I just found this: https://mirror.init7.net/ctan/fonts/greek/gfs/gfsdidot/doc/DidotSpecimen.pdf So there should be italics... Sorry for the noise. > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Denis Maier via ntg-context > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2024 14:04 > An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' > Cc: denisma...@mailbox.org > Betreff: [NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics > > I don't know, but maybe GFS Didot has not italic shape? > At least, that's what I'd guess after looking at this > https://fonts.google.com/specimen/GFS+Didot (maybe your version has > italics...) > > Best, > Denis > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: Jean-Pierre Delange > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2024 13:32 > > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users > > Betreff: [NTG-context] Issue with italics > > > > Dear list, > > > > When handling the preamble to a document in which I would like to > > treat the text in French, with sometimes italics text and phrases in > > ancient Greek, I encounter the following difficulty: > > if I use TeX Gyre Pagella as the main font, everything works fine, > > except for the Ancient Greek text, which I don't like the look of. But > > the Greek text is displayed, as are the French italics. On the other > > hand, if I use GFS Didot as the main font and Theano Didot for the > > Greek, the italics disappear and the Greek text looks better. The CTX > > version I > use is: mtx-context | current version: > > 2024.01.24 22:39. > > > > Herewith are two MWE attachments (*.tex + *.pdf) with different fonts. > > What am I missing ? Thanks for your answers. > > > > JP > > ___ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg- > context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Issue with italics
I don't know, but maybe GFS Didot has not italic shape? At least, that's what I'd guess after looking at this https://fonts.google.com/specimen/GFS+Didot (maybe your version has italics...) Best, Denis > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Jean-Pierre Delange > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2024 13:32 > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Betreff: [NTG-context] Issue with italics > > Dear list, > > When handling the preamble to a document in which I would like to treat the > text in French, with sometimes italics text and phrases in ancient Greek, I > encounter the following difficulty: > if I use TeX Gyre Pagella as the main font, everything works fine, except for > the > Ancient Greek text, which I don't like the look of. But the Greek text is > displayed, as are the French italics. On the other hand, if I use GFS Didot > as the > main font and Theano Didot for the Greek, the italics disappear and the Greek > text looks better. The CTX version I use is: mtx-context | current version: > 2024.01.24 22:39. > > Herewith are two MWE attachments (*.tex + *.pdf) with different fonts. What > am I missing ? Thanks for your answers. > > JP ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
