Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
> Am 01.07.2021 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Braslau : >> And what about \– (U+2013)? > > Now THAT gets confusing! > > Why not U+2010 (HYPHEN), the anti-U+2011 (NON BREAKING HYPHEN) > vs. U+002D (HYPHEN-MINUS). What a can of worms... Oh yes, let’s do Unicode Whitespace programming... HR ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:57:28 +0200 Steffen Wolfrum wrote: > > Am 01.07.2021 um 17:54 schrieb Alan Braslau > > : > > > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 00:12:40 +0200 > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > > \= macron accent (bar) should not be changed. > > \-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get > confused with -- (en dash). > >>> > >>> Is there some problem to make it just another option. > >>> > >>> \enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated] > >>> > >> or maybe some key is \setuplanguages (what key) > > > > Why not, but this would be somewhat obscure for the average user who > > would have to identify and then set this option in all documents... > > > > The \-- extension is kind-of nice, obscure in its own way but good > > functionally. The risk is of users confusing this with the en > > ligature, something that unicode users avoid... > > > > Maybe implement both solutions (setup affecting \- as well as \--) > > in Context? > > > And what about \– (U+2013)? Now THAT gets confusing! Why not U+2010 (HYPHEN), the anti-U+2011 (NON BREAKING HYPHEN) vs. U+002D (HYPHEN-MINUS). What a can of worms... (which is why I like the \-- syntax) Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
> Am 01.07.2021 um 17:54 schrieb Alan Braslau : > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 00:12:40 +0200 > Hans Hagen wrote: > \= macron accent (bar) should not be changed. \-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get confused with -- (en dash). >>> >>> Is there some problem to make it just another option. >>> >>> \enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated] >>> >> or maybe some key is \setuplanguages (what key) > > Why not, but this would be somewhat obscure for the average user who > would have to identify and then set this option in all documents... > > The \-- extension is kind-of nice, obscure in its own way but good > functionally. The risk is of users confusing this with the en ligature, > something that unicode users avoid... > > Maybe implement both solutions (setup affecting \- as well as \--) in > Context? And what about \– (U+2013)? Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 00:12:40 +0200 Hans Hagen wrote: > >> \= macron accent (bar) should not be changed. > >> > >> \-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get > >> confused with -- (en dash). > > > > Is there some problem to make it just another option. > > > > \enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated] > > > or maybe some key is \setuplanguages (what key) Why not, but this would be somewhat obscure for the average user who would have to identify and then set this option in all documents... The \-- extension is kind-of nice, obscure in its own way but good functionally. The risk is of users confusing this with the en ligature, something that unicode users avoid... Maybe implement both solutions (setup affecting \- as well as \--) in Context? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On 6/30/2021 8:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Alan Braslau schrieb am 30.06.2021 um 20:40:
On 30/06/21 12:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 6/30/2021 7:35 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On 29/06/21 05:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
I believe that \- defines an *optional* hyphenation point.
Specifying nothyphenated should not hyphenate, even at optional points.
The author can otherwise use hyphenated and arrange to help the
words get hyphenated at certain points.
Perhaps a new "optional" hyphenation point macro can be added that
would have super-powers to override the align parameter. There would
be no surprises using such a feature.
We can't use \= unless we drop the \= being macros (anyone using that?)
We can also use \+ which currently is just "+" because it needs some
value (sometimes it gets a local meaning).
So here is something to ponder:
\pushoverloadmode \unprotect
\permanent\protected\def\superexplicitdiscretionary
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
\aliased\let\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop\explicitdiscretionary
\permanent\protected\def\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes-%
{\superexplicitdiscretionary}
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\doifelsenextcharcs-\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop}
\protect \popoverloadmode
\nohyphens \hsize 1mm
test\-test \par test\--test
\stoptext
\= macron accent (bar) should not be changed.
\-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get confused
with -- (en dash).
Is there some problem to make it just another option.
\enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated]
or maybe some key is \setuplanguages (what key)
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
Alan Braslau schrieb am 30.06.2021 um 20:40:
On 30/06/21 12:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 6/30/2021 7:35 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On 29/06/21 05:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
I believe that \- defines an *optional* hyphenation point.
Specifying nothyphenated should not hyphenate, even at optional points.
The author can otherwise use hyphenated and arrange to help the
words get hyphenated at certain points.
Perhaps a new "optional" hyphenation point macro can be added that
would have super-powers to override the align parameter. There would
be no surprises using such a feature.
We can't use \= unless we drop the \= being macros (anyone using that?)
We can also use \+ which currently is just "+" because it needs some
value (sometimes it gets a local meaning).
So here is something to ponder:
\pushoverloadmode \unprotect
\permanent\protected\def\superexplicitdiscretionary
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
\aliased\let\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop\explicitdiscretionary
\permanent\protected\def\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes-%
{\superexplicitdiscretionary}
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\doifelsenextcharcs-\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop}
\protect \popoverloadmode
\nohyphens \hsize 1mm
test\-test \par test\--test
\stoptext
\= macron accent (bar) should not be changed.
\-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get confused
with -- (en dash).
Is there some problem to make it just another option.
\enabledirectives[hyphenators.discretionary=hyphenated|nothyphenated]
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On 30/06/21 12:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 6/30/2021 7:35 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On 29/06/21 05:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
I believe that \- defines an *optional* hyphenation point.
Specifying nothyphenated should not hyphenate, even at optional points.
The author can otherwise use hyphenated and arrange to help the words
get hyphenated at certain points.
Perhaps a new "optional" hyphenation point macro can be added that
would have super-powers to override the align parameter. There would
be no surprises using such a feature.
We can't use \= unless we drop the \= being macros (anyone using that?)
We can also use \+ which currently is just "+" because it needs some
value (sometimes it gets a local meaning).
So here is something to ponder:
\pushoverloadmode \unprotect
\permanent\protected\def\superexplicitdiscretionary
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
\aliased\let\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop\explicitdiscretionary
\permanent\protected\def\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes-%
{\superexplicitdiscretionary}
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\doifelsenextcharcs-\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop}
\protect \popoverloadmode
\nohyphens \hsize 1mm
test\-test \par test\--test
\stoptext
\= macron accent (bar) should not be changed.
\-- is a good suggestion, like insisting, and should not get confused
with -- (en dash).
--
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On 6/30/2021 7:35 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
On 29/06/21 05:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
I believe that \- defines an *optional* hyphenation point.
Specifying nothyphenated should not hyphenate, even at optional points.
The author can otherwise use hyphenated and arrange to help the words
get hyphenated at certain points.
Perhaps a new "optional" hyphenation point macro can be added that would
have super-powers to override the align parameter. There would be no
surprises using such a feature.
We can't use \= unless we drop the \= being macros (anyone using that?)
We can also use \+ which currently is just "+" because it needs some
value (sometimes it gets a local meaning).
So here is something to ponder:
\pushoverloadmode \unprotect
\permanent\protected\def\superexplicitdiscretionary
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
\aliased\let\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop\explicitdiscretionary
\permanent\protected\def\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes-%
{\superexplicitdiscretionary}
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\doifelsenextcharcs-\lang_explicit_discretionary_yes\lang_explicit_discretionary_nop}
\protect \popoverloadmode
\nohyphens \hsize 1mm
test\-test \par test\--test
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On 29/06/21 05:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
I believe that \- defines an *optional* hyphenation point.
Specifying nothyphenated should not hyphenate, even at optional points.
The author can otherwise use hyphenated and arrange to help the words
get hyphenated at certain points.
Perhaps a new "optional" hyphenation point macro can be added that would
have super-powers to override the align parameter. There would be no
surprises using such a feature.
--
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
On 6/29/2021 12:06 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
When running this mwe with luatex, the command \- could be used to manually
break the line, even though it is set up nothyphenated.
When running luametatex the word does not break:
\setuppapersize[A10]
\showframe
\setuphead[chapter][align={nothyphenated}]
\starttext
\chapter{abc\-def}
\stoptext
Is this intended?
well, you ask for nothyphenated; we could define
\permanent\protected\def\-%
{\begingroup
\hyphenationmode\explicithyphenationmodecode\explicitdiscretionary
\endgroup}
i will ponder this
Hans
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[NTG-context] hyphenate nothyphenated
When running this mwe with luatex, the command \- could be used to manually
break the line, even though it is set up nothyphenated.
When running luametatex the word does not break:
\setuppapersize[A10]
\showframe
\setuphead[chapter][align={nothyphenated}]
\starttext
\chapter{abc\-def}
\stoptext
Is this intended?
Steffen
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