Re: [NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 04:52:49PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec said that That folder is not meant to be a replacement for binaries. It's just a folder where files can be taken from and put somewhere else afterwards. They don't have the x bit set because zip on windows doesn't handle permission bits. ok, i have a lot of catching up to do because of the enormous volume of mail hitting this list, but let me ask this. all i want is a simple alias/shell_script/stub/whatever to run context on a .tex file. that's all. as someone coming from latex (a long time ago) and running commands like latex doc.tex or pdflatex doc.tex i always expected that to be context doc.tex. when i started using context, it was texexec doc.tex. as a user i don't mind what's in the background, perl, shell, ruby or a bone fide binary, all i'd like to do is have an official (as opposed to hand rolled/home made) context command that runs everything that is needed to process the .tex file. That's texexec and it's official on any TeX distribution, the only problem is that it doesn't work so well in older distributions. Any recent distribution has a properly working texexec command. But if you want to fiddle with home-made distribution, you need to be ready for using home-made solutions. That's all. There is also a more recent command context which uses luatex engine in the background. But I would not recommend you to try to enable it on the ancient distribution until you figure out all the other bits and pieces. You need to configure way too many files ... and you probably don't want to do every time when you reinstall the system if you do that often. It's much easier to install the minimals. is there something like that? if not, will be? :] Sure, there is - as explained above. It's just that nobody cares about tetex any more and nobody will provide support for tetex. But if you like it (for a reason - LaTeX hardly changes if you don't use XeTeX, TikZ etc.) it's perfectly fine if you configure it to use the most recent ConTeXt. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
hello gang, after almost a year of traveling i am back. anybody missed me? :] thought so. i have made the openbsd installation of context on top of texexec3 wiki page on the context wiki because i frequently reinstall my notebook and start from scratch with all my software. i realize by now texlive is the new thing but before i make context minimal work on openbsd i still prefer to bring up to date context on the much less bloated base of tetex3. my biggest gripe at the moment always at the end the ruby scripts... but this is something that could be easily changed. i personally find the following instructions the most helpful: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TeTeX_3.0_installation#Ruby_scripts at the moment, the directory /usr/local/share/texmf-local/scripts/context/stubs/unix/ contains a bunch of scripts that are nice but unusable because 1. they dont have the x bit set 2. most of them contain something like texmfstart somescript $@ while texmfstart itself is not defined anywhere it would be really nice if these stubs could be just dropped as replacements for any current scripts and work out of the box. i am not sure my proposed solution is a good one, because frankly, except texexec i have never used any of the other scripts.. but looking at the afore-quoted wikipage it seems to me that the author favoured the approach of calling all the other sripts using texexec. the beauty of this is that no other scripts need to be installed. so what do you people think about the following approach: stub for texmfstart to be put under /usr/local/bin/texmfstart: #!/bin/sh ruby `kpsewhich --format=texmfscripts texmfstart.rb` $@ stub for texexe to be put under /usr/local/bin/texexec: #!/bin/sh SCRIPTNAME=`basename $0` if [ X$SCRIPTNAME = Xtexexec ]; then exec texmfstart texexec.rb $@ else exec texmfstart $SCRIPTNAME $@ fi and all the other script stubs could be removed i guess... -f -- good words cost no more than bad. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM, frantisek holop wrote: hello gang, after almost a year of traveling i am back. anybody missed me? :] thought so. Hello Frantisek, Just a quick note ... not too many people on the list might be able to follow since there are probably not too many tetex3 users around, and the page you refer to is old as earth, so keep using whatever fits you best. Did you want to suggest changes on the webpage or did you want to ask if some procedure works? (I fully understand why you want to keep using tetex.) i have made the openbsd installation of context on top of texexec3 wiki page on the context wiki because i frequently reinstall my notebook and start from scratch with all my software. i realize by now texlive is the new thing but before i make context minimal work on openbsd i still prefer to bring up to date context on the much less bloated base of tetex3. my biggest gripe at the moment always at the end the ruby scripts... but this is something that could be easily changed. i personally find the following instructions the most helpful: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TeTeX_3.0_installation#Ruby_scripts at the moment, the directory /usr/local/share/texmf-local/scripts/context/stubs/unix/ contains a bunch of scripts that are nice but unusable because 1. they dont have the x bit set 2. most of them contain something like texmfstart somescript $@ while texmfstart itself is not defined anywhere That folder is not meant to be a replacement for binaries. It's just a folder where files can be taken from and put somewhere else afterwards. They don't have the x bit set because zip on windows doesn't handle permission bits. Concerning texmfstart: it's now part of texlive and it's part of minimals. You cannot expect recent binaries to be already part of an ancient tex distribution. Hans probably won't add texmfstart to that folder since distribution is supposed to take care of that. If you need a simple command to fetch all in one run, just do (single line in case it gets broken): rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/current/bin/context/linux/bin/ /usr/local/bin/ it would be really nice if these stubs could be just dropped as replacements for any current scripts and work out of the box. Is there any other problem apart from the executable bit (that Hans is not able to fix comfortably)? i am not sure my proposed solution is a good one, because frankly, except texexec i have never used any of the other scripts.. but looking at the afore-quoted wikipage it seems to me that the author favoured the approach of calling all the other sripts using texexec. You mean texmfstart? the beauty of this is that no other scripts need to be installed. so what do you people think about the following approach: stub for texmfstart to be put under /usr/local/bin/texmfstart: #!/bin/sh ruby `kpsewhich --format=texmfscripts texmfstart.rb` $@ At the moment this file is a literal copy of texmfstart.rb. It's like a chicken-and-egg problem. Hans wants to get rid of kpathsea, but by copying the file one doesn't always get the latest texmfstart (one needs to make sure that it's always up-to-date). The ruby `kpsewhich ... approach is also OK. stub for texexe to be put under /usr/local/bin/texexec: #!/bin/sh SCRIPTNAME=`basename $0` if [ X$SCRIPTNAME = Xtexexec ]; then exec texmfstart texexec.rb $@ else exec texmfstart $SCRIPTNAME $@ fi and all the other script stubs could be removed i guess... You don't need to copy other files/stubs if you don't need them, but some people depend on existence of some tools like ctxtools (which is easier to use than texmfstart ctxtools). If you don't need other scripts, just ignore them. (The scripts described on tetex installation page are probably not used my many people. But those pages need to be fixed and unified somehow.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i have made the openbsd installation of context on top of texexec3 wiki page on the context wiki because i frequently reinstall my notebook and start from scratch with all my software. i realize by now texlive is the new thing but before i make context minimal work on openbsd i still prefer to bring up to date context on the much less bloated base of tetex3. Hello, teTeX3 is less bloated than ConTeXt minimals?? I suggest 2 options: 1.) Install cont-tmf.zip and fonts on top of tetex3 For this option, you can take a look into http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/src/ where you can find texlive.spec. The ideas in this file should also work for tetex (the name of this file was tetex.spec some time ago). 2.) Install context-minimals beside tetex3 Since I have no more time to maintain tetex or texlive spec files, I use this option (only with texlive instead of tetex). All my context stuff is now in /opt/context and updated according to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals Perhaps there are no openbsd binaries in this distribution, but it should be easy to add support for openbsd in http://svn.contextgarden.net/minimals-src/build-binaries/build-binaries.sh Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
hmm, on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 07:17:34PM +0100, Peter Münster said that On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i have made the openbsd installation of context on top of texexec3 wiki page on the context wiki because i frequently reinstall my notebook and start from scratch with all my software. i realize by now texlive is the new thing but before i make context minimal work on openbsd i still prefer to bring up to date context on the much less bloated base of tetex3. Hello, teTeX3 is less bloated than ConTeXt minimals?? no :] read it again. tetex3 is less bloated than texlive, not context minimals. Perhaps there are no openbsd binaries in this distribution, but it should be easy to add support for openbsd in http://svn.contextgarden.net/minimals-src/build-binaries/build-binaries.sh yes, this is where i am headed in the long run. native context minimals on openbsd. -f -- oh no, not deja-vu again. oh no, not deja-vu again. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] startup script stubs (for unix)
hmm, on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 04:52:49PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec said that That folder is not meant to be a replacement for binaries. It's just a folder where files can be taken from and put somewhere else afterwards. They don't have the x bit set because zip on windows doesn't handle permission bits. ok, i have a lot of catching up to do because of the enormous volume of mail hitting this list, but let me ask this. all i want is a simple alias/shell_script/stub/whatever to run context on a .tex file. that's all. as someone coming from latex (a long time ago) and running commands like latex doc.tex or pdflatex doc.tex i always expected that to be context doc.tex. when i started using context, it was texexec doc.tex. as a user i don't mind what's in the background, perl, shell, ruby or a bone fide binary, all i'd like to do is have an official (as opposed to hand rolled/home made) context command that runs everything that is needed to process the .tex file. is there something like that? if not, will be? :] -f -- the 4th world war will be fought with sticks and rocks. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
