Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:07:55 -0600, Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net wrote: As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I applaud your efforts and wish you the best. I just recently have been in the middle of a paradigm change myself, going from Xywrite on the PC to trying to learn and use Context and using vim/gvim as my editor. Back in 1988 or so, when i was employed at TI, we were tasked with trying to get people to use the then new Ventura Publisher for creating documents, etc. This was all pre- Windows. As a result of that i can understand your concern for having a complete system in place for your new users. Everything has to be in place. I too look forward to your book. I also look forward to seeing some examples using an Arabic font. My wife is Persian so I've gained an appreciation for typography with regard to this language also. The fact that Context as well as Vim could handle these fonts well were factors in my trying to learn them. Keep up the good work. Thank you very kindly for the words of encouragement!!! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 01:16:55PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Hi Idris, As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I applaud your efforts and wish you the best. I just recently have been in the middle of a paradigm change myself, going from Xywrite on the PC to trying to learn and use Context and using vim/gvim as my editor. Back in 1988 or so, when i was employed at TI, we were tasked with trying to get people to use the then new Ventura Publisher for creating documents, etc. This was all pre- Windows. As a result of that i can understand your concern for having a complete system in place for your new users. Everything has to be in place. I too look forward to your book. I also look forward to seeing some examples using an Arabic font. My wife is Persian so I've gained an appreciation for typography with regard to this language also. The fact that Context as well as Vim could handle these fonts well were factors in my trying to learn them. Keep up the good work. Russ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:20, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: And from what I see on this list, I'm not sure winblows users are the majority. According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to 17-20% downloads. Wiki gets 46% of windows users. (I'm worried a bit about the high discrepancy in numbers, in particular if you keep in mind that many might be using TeX Live under Linux, bundled with their distribution, however ConTeXt doesn't even work on MikTeX.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to 17-20% downloads. Wiki gets 46% of windows users. Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched for any other context and ended up on the wiki by mistake... Florian (I'm worried a bit about the high discrepancy in numbers, in particular if you keep in mind that many might be using TeX Live under Linux, bundled with their distribution, however ConTeXt doesn't even work on MikTeX.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On 15-8-2011 9:51, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 08/15/2011 09:46 AM, Florian Wobbe wrote: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched for any other context and ended up on the wiki by mistake... And, being true windows users, take 30 minutes to figure out they're on the wrong page :-) that's because we cannot afford to pay for ending up at the top (try apple: no hit for the fruit on first google search) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
2011/8/15 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. They even have their own conference: http://context-11.teco.edu :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Dear Knights, A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. I want to break out of the usual paradigm of presenting TeX and try something new and fresh. I want to give ConTeXt to my (or your) secretary, not just to geeks like most of us. I want to get them rolling as smoothly as possible. Telling a total newbie to go find one's own editor is not going to expand the ConTeXt ecosystem very efficiently. As I said, the Book will not be tied to an editor. But I will use one as a way of easing the way for the maximum number of total non-geeks to get involved with ConTeXt. That's part of the vision I have. To realize that vision, at this point I need some help writing and compiling lexer code, which I really don't want to have to learn to do myself; I simply don't have the time and would rather concentrate my skills more efficiently. I hope one of you out there will help me :-):-):-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon 15 Aug 2011, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good idea to give that to Microsoft. Huh? I've been using Wine for a while (though not for Notepad++) and have not yet received a bill from Microsoft... Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On 08/15/2011 11:51 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Dear Knights, A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. I want to break out of the usual paradigm of presenting TeX and try something new and fresh. I want to give ConTeXt to my (or your) secretary, not just to geeks like most of us. I want to get them rolling as smoothly as possible. Telling a total newbie to go find one's own editor is not going to expand the ConTeXt ecosystem very efficiently. As I said, the Book will not be tied to an editor. But I will use one as a way of easing the way for the maximum number of total non-geeks to get involved with ConTeXt. That's part of the vision I have. Hi Idris, I'm a ConTeXt newbie (although I have been using LaTeX for 10 years). I'd use TeXworks as the editor, since it is available for Windows, Macintosh and Linux. And it can be installed with TeXLive (and updated with TLContrib). Remember: one install to rule them all ;-). So you avoid having to implement lexer scripting. BTW, I guess you plan to release the book under standard copyright license, do you? (Just asking.) Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Pablo, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:30:42 -0600, Pablo Rodríguez oi...@web.de wrote: I'd use TeXworks as the editor So would I, except that TeXWorks is not as rich in the features I'd like, nor does it handle arabic-script as well as needed. Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) The functionality I can extract from Npp gives a pedagogical advantage that's important for what I'm trying to achieve. For example, dbl-click a word and get a context-menu that allows you to tag that word without typing braces. I can even assign a shortcut so that I can tag a word and, eg, emphasize it without typing. Or type a ConTeXt command and get a list of options so you don't have to look at the manual. As a a pedagogical tool for newcomers Npp has things like this. Techies can of course choose what suits them. But I want to be able to tell my classes: All assignments must be done in ConTeXt and make it easy for them to do that. We're not at that point yet but that's the holy grail. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:38:42 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu wrote: The functionality I can extract from Npp gives a pedagogical advantage that's important for what I'm trying to achieve. For example, dbl-click a word and get a context-menu that allows you to tag that word without typing braces. I can even assign a shortcut so that I can tag a word and, eg, emphasize it without typing. Or type a ConTeXt command and get a list of options so you don't have to look at the manual. Take a look at this: http://tinypic.com/r/andfsn/7 In addition to the ConTeXt functionality note the new Arabic add-on to lm-mono, so for the first time we'll have an actually useful Arabic mono font where one can edit vowels etc. Unfortunately the opentype engine in, e.g., TeXWorks cannot handle the GSUB table properly. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality I applaud your efforts. What's the planned release date? Will you include software? Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. I guess Kip meant WinEdt. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Martin, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:35:24 -0600, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality LOL, I think you're right :-) I applaud your efforts. I greatly appreciate that! What's the planned release date? Depends on the publisher, but there's no contract yet. If they pass on the chapters I send them, I'll self-publish it somehow. Will you include software? That's the plan, and the editor fits into that idea as well. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:42 +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. Best Martin Hey Martin. I meant WinEdt. Sorry for the ambiguity. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote: I, for one, am not willing to start wine to run something as basic as a text editor. My sentiments precisely. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good idea to give that to Microsoft. No thanks. It's of course way too early to say anything about a project that I haven't seen a single line of, but tying it to an editor which is not cross-platform strikes me as a poor choice. And from what I see on this list, I'm not sure winblows users are the majority. Thomas Agreed. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 03:51 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Kip, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:40 -0600, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:16 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! Best of luck to you. We all look forward to reading the book when done. =) -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
OK, I see there is interest in users for book. What is Hans saying on this idea? I belive printing and selling wont be such a problem. I think about 1000 copies can be sold. Firstly we must prepare the book. If there is interest, i'll push this idea forward. So first step, What is not correct written in pdf ( http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf)? All suggestion welcomed!! And all suggestion what should be, is missing? Regards, Jan -- Macs are for those who don't want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesn't work. Windows is for those who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
So first step, What is not correct written in pdf (http:// www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf)? All suggestion welcomed!! And all suggestion what should be, is missing? (I like the idea of a book.) IMHO one should start from scratch, i.e. from defining a new document structure. Then the manual contents can evidently be cannibalized while writing. But such a project need official coordinators. Otherwise it risks to be a printed wiki (which is good, but it's not a book) Best -a- Regards, Jan -- Macs are for those who don't want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesn't work. Windows is for those who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. __ _ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __ _ -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty (Ken Perlin on noise) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
Hello, i think it would be great to have some basic documentation published. My idea is to create Basic ConTeXt guide with start documentation for new user. This is what should be in: 1. Chapter: What is ConTeXt, what it included, which are basic modules, what is needed to start with Context, maybe something about instalation 2. Chapter: first document step by step, second document (something like on contexgarden, maybe little longer step by step) 3. Chapter: my first letter ( how to write little longer document in style) 4. Chapter: Formating - quick introduction in text aligment,, fonts (size and format), tables, how to setup setups page design (mergins...) 5. Chapter: How to create simple presentation 6. Tips and Tricks (maybe some FAQ explained) Appedix A: Table of math symbols with examples (like sum, matrix...) Appedix B: Article From Latex to Context .. Now my question: are we able to create some book like this? And would be users interested to buy/use it? Jan -- Macs are for those who don't want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesn't work. Windows is for those who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
On Feb 6, 2008 10:37 AM, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Kraljič wrote: Hello, i think it would be great to have some basic documentation published. http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ms-cb-en.pdf (screen ) http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf (paper ) Is not what you had in mind? Pretty much something like that. (Paper version) I believe that no one would print this on printer. So I wonder if there would be interest for published book? Regards, Jan -- Macs are for those who don't want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesn't work. Windows is for those who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
Jan Kraljič wrote: Hello, i think it would be great to have some basic documentation published. http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ms-cb-en.pdf (screen ) http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf (paper ) Is not what you had in mind? Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
PChot == PChot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PChot I believe that no one would print this on printer. So I wonder if PChot there would be interest for published book? I'd buy a book for sure, but in the meantime printed the above stuff in local copy-shop and put in spiral binding ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgpAjph3jWLpv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
Hi all, Indeed the documents mentioned by Taco are great, but some time ago there was a discussion on the list about an update of those manuals (dating from 1999, according to the colofon) and about how we users can contribute to the job by finding the possible bugs, errors, misprints, etc. But us far as I know we, at least I, didn't do anything… Now in my opinion the idea of having a book is a good one: for instance many of my students when writing reports and theses ask me about a book on TeX or LaTeX, even though there are many electronic documents about them freely available. Our library has the books by Donald Knuth, Leslie Lamport and Raymond Séroul among others, and if there were a book about ConTeXt I would certainly order at least two for our library and one for myself. For making ConTeXt more popular among mathematicians (or other academic users) I think it is good to have books about it in libraries, since at first students look for books before sticking to one of TeX flavors. Best regards: OK On 6 févr. 08, at 10:50, PChot wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 10:37 AM, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Kraljič wrote: Hello, i think it would be great to have some basic documentation published. http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ms-cb-en.pdf (screen ) http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf (paper ) Is not what you had in mind? Pretty much something like that. (Paper version) I believe that no one would print this on printer. So I wonder if there would be interest for published book? Regards, Jan -- Macs are for those who don't want to know why their computer works. Linux is for those who want to know why their computer works. DOS is for those who want to know why their computer doesn't work. Windows is for those who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Otared Kavian wrote: Now in my opinion the idea of having a book is a good one: for instance many How about distributing the ConTeXt manuals from Lulu or someother self publishing website. I think that the eplain manual is distributed this way. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
We would also be really interested in such a book (even if it was a bit pricey). Cheers, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matija Suklje Sent: Mon 2/4/2008 9:42 AM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book Dne ponedeljek 4. februarja 2008 je Yue Wang napisal(a): cont-eni.pdf, the context manual from pragma ade, i think. but it is quite outdated. I think the context development team should update the manual whenever a new feature is stable, but these people are working non-stop seeking for new features and have no time to update the manuals:) so maybe you can find more information on the wiki pages. Thanks, but I thought about a physically present printed book that I could ask the central technical library to order it for their collection. Cheers, Matija p.s. sorry about the double post ...there was a problem with the mail server. -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://matija.suklje.name aim: hookofsilver icq: 110183360 jabber/g-talk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: matija_suklje ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
I've been wondering ...does anyone know of any good (printed) book to learn ConTeXt? The ConTeXt book ... it has been a bit of a Holy Grail for quite a while, and it looks like it will be some more time until it is found. The reason why there is no comprehensive book yet is not clear to me; maybe Hans' documents were too intimidating in the first place and nobody dared enhance them ;-) But it's obvious that things can only become worse over time, because on the other hand there is quite a lot of sparse documentation about various aspects of ConTeXt, and it's not straightforward to gather it all in a comprehensive and coherent way -- by the way, I wish to protest here against the oft-repeated lament There is not enough documentation about ConTeXt (something you hear at lot on this list): I think it's completely biased, there is a lot of documentation concerning ConTeXt and it probably covers all the subjects; the only problem is that it's scattered. Even on the wiki, it's not always straightforward to find answers to a particular question (even if the answer to that exact question is there). Maybe this would be a way to start, organizing meta-information in the wiki, starting, of course, from pages where such information has already been gathered like http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Official_ConTeXt_Documentation and http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ -- and of course, this should also be discussed at the ConTeXt meeting in Bohinj, where I trust all interested parties should come ;-) Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book
Dne ponedeljek 4. februarja 2008 je Yue Wang napisal(a): cont-eni.pdf, the context manual from pragma ade, i think. but it is quite outdated. I think the context development team should update the manual whenever a new feature is stable, but these people are working non-stop seeking for new features and have no time to update the manuals:) so maybe you can find more information on the wiki pages. Thanks, but I thought about a physically present printed book that I could ask the central technical library to order it for their collection. Cheers, Matija p.s. sorry about the double post ...there was a problem with the mail server. -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://matija.suklje.name aim: hookofsilver icq: 110183360 jabber/g-talk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: matija_suklje signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
