Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Hans Hagen wrote: Pablo Rodríguez wrote: After using \showfontstrip to get fonts with the same x-height by calculating the rscale factor, I guess it would be very useful (at least for me) to have an option that calculates relative scaling automatically to match both x-heights. I think it would be a useful option for rscale. hm, it's not that hard to do, but then the question is: what is the reference font; also, my experience is that an automated scaling in most cases looks as ugly as no scaling; it's a visual thing; the xheight is a factor but the 'boldness' too The reference font would be the roman font and the automated scaling with the same x-height might be wrong in some cases, but it is a useful starting point to start learning for newcomers (like me) how to set the proper visual scaling factor. My most common scenario for font scaling is not roman with sansserif or typewritter, but roman Latin with roman Greek characters and setting the same x-height for both. And I thought there were fine with the same x-height for both. My typographical ability wouldn't let my set other relative scaling factor other than 1 or the same x-height for both fonts. Thanks, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
Hans Hagen wrote:
Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
After using \showfontstrip to get fonts with the same x-height by
calculating the rscale factor, I guess it would be very useful (at least
for me) to have an option that calculates relative scaling automatically
to match both x-heights.
I think it would be a useful option for rscale.
hm, it's not that hard to do, but then the question is: what is the
reference font; also, my experience is that an automated scaling in most
cases looks as ugly as no scaling; it's a visual thing; the xheight is a
factor but the 'boldness' too
The reference font would be the roman font and the automated scaling
with the same x-height might be wrong in some cases, but it is a useful
starting point to start learning for newcomers (like me) how to set the
proper visual scaling factor.
My most common scenario for font scaling is not roman with sansserif or
typewritter, but roman Latin with roman Greek characters and setting the
same x-height for both. And I thought there were fine with the same
x-height for both.
My typographical ability wouldn't let my set other relative scaling
factor other than 1 or the same x-height for both fonts.
Hm. Just typeset fontstrips, scale the doc up/down on the screen and
find the best visual match. You need to do that only once for a given
combination of fonts. In most cases i use lm for monospaced and palatino
for math when combined with other fonts, and my experience is that one
really need to typeset some text (with e.g. inline verbatim) in order to
find out what value is best.
The problem is that in that case, we would end up with 4 line
definitions replaced by 4 line definitions; ok, when we have luatex, we
can think of some aux macros (\rscaled{fontname}) because then fully
expandable solutions are possible.
Adam Lindsay made/had plans for predefined typefaces and actually that
is then the best way to go: predefine interesting combinations of fonts
with optimized values for relative scaling and ht/dp ratios.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Pablo Rodríguez wrote: Hans Hagen wrote: does this mean that when \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=0 (default) xetex will mess around with the interlinespace? that would be a bad default behaviour In XeTeX (and XeLaTeX) the default value is one. I guess XeConTeXt should have \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=1 by default. only i if know exactly what it does and if it does not interfere with any other spacing (i.e. when it is traditional tex compatible) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Pablo Rodríguez wrote: After using \showfontstrip to get fonts with the same x-height by calculating the rscale factor, I guess it would be very useful (at least for me) to have an option that calculates relative scaling automatically to match both x-heights. I think it would be a useful option for rscale. hm, it's not that hard to do, but then the question is: what is the reference font; also, my experience is that an automated scaling in most cases looks as ugly as no scaling; it's a visual thing; the xheight is a factor but the 'boldness' too Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Hans Hagen wrote: � wrote: Hi there, Using XeTeX, one of the features that I miss at most from XeLaTeX (from fontspec), is the possibility to set automatically the scaling of fonts so that they match the lowercase or uppercase letters of the roman font. I wonder whether there is something similar for ConTeXt. as already answered in other mails this is possible with the rscale option in typefaces (is completely unrelated to xetex and has been part of the regular context font mechanisms for quite some time) You can use \showfontstrip \showminimalbaseline and alike relative scaling is not automatic (trivial to implement) simply because it's a visual thing; having similar x-heights is not always the best Thanks for your explanation, Hans. After using \showfontstrip to get fonts with the same x-height by calculating the rscale factor, I guess it would be very useful (at least for me) to have an option that calculates relative scaling automatically to match both x-heights. I think it would be a useful option for rscale. Thanks, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
� wrote: Hi there, I'm using XeTeX one of the features that I miss at most from XeLaTeX (from fontspec), is the possibility to set automatically the scaling of fonts so that they match the lowercase or uppercase letters of the roman font. I wonder whether there is something similar for ConTeXt. as already answered in other mails this is possible with the rscale option in typefaces (is completely unrelated to xetex and has been part of the regular context font mechanisms for quite some time) You can use \showfontstrip \showminimalbaseline and alike relative scaling is not automatic (trivial to implement) simply because it's a visual thing; having similar x-heights is not always the best By the way, the ConTeXt uses in my view, the wrong XeTeX way to set the interlinear space, since it seems that \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics is set to 0. Probably I should be missing something, but if \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics is not set to 1, ConTeXt will set the interlinear space not by itself, but following the glyph metrics and in some fonts the font height. I guess it would be better to use \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=1. o must admit that i don't keep track of such things; since interline space as well as struct height/depth rations are document properties (a document can use many different fonts) deriving one automatically cq. adapting it automatically based on font properties can be dangerous does this mean that when \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=0 (default) xetex will mess around with the interlinespace? that would be a bad default behaviour Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Hans Hagen wrote: does this mean that when \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=0 (default) xetex will mess around with the interlinespace? that would be a bad default behaviour In XeTeX (and XeLaTeX) the default value is one. I guess XeConTeXt should have \XeTeXuseglyphmetrics=1 by default. Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Am 2006-11-12 um 22:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez: I'm using XeTeX one of the features that I miss at most from XeLaTeX (from fontspec), is the possibility to set automatically the scaling of fonts so that they match the lowercase or uppercase letters of the roman font. I wonder whether there is something similar for ConTeXt. I never tried XeTeX, but the relative scaling of fonts is setup in typescripts, e.g. \starttypescript [postscript] [texnansi,ec,8r] \definetypeface [postscript] [rm] [serif] [times] [default] [encoding=\typescripttwo] \definetypeface [postscript] [mm] [math] [times] [default] \definetypeface [postscript] [ss] [sans] [helvetica] [default] [rscale=.9,encoding=\typescripttwo] \definetypeface [postscript] [tt] [mono] [courier] [default] [rscale=1.1,encoding=\typescripttwo] \stoptypescript Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://contextgarden.net http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] relative scaling for fonts
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2006-11-12 um 22:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez: I'm using XeTeX one of the features that I miss at most from XeLaTeX (from fontspec), is the possibility to set automatically the scaling of fonts so that they match the lowercase or uppercase letters of the roman font. I wonder whether there is something similar for ConTeXt. I never tried XeTeX, but the relative scaling of fonts is setup in typescripts, e.g. Sorry, I'm a ConTeXt newbie and I'm not sure whether I have expressed myself in an accurate manner or I don't understand what you mean. In XeTeX you can set your fonts in these way: \definetypeface[myfont][rm][Xserif][Junicode] \definetypeface[myfont][tt][Xmono][Epigrafica][][rscale=1] \setupbodyfont[myfont,13pt] But the problem there is that one should know which is the value of rscale is. If \lowercase and \uppercase variables were defined, it would be possible that ConTeXt calculates by itself which is the required scaling factor to match the roman font (lowercase or uppercase, respectively). This is explained (for LaTeX I'm afraid) at page 45 (section 8.7.3) of the fontspec documentation (http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/fontspec/fontspec.pdf). In this way, it would be possible to autoscale to the rm font all fonts used in a document. I hope it is clear now, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
