Re: [NTG-context] suggestions for MKIV
Hi Peter, Peter Münster wrote: Hello Hans, Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there are already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of beginners - to change at least 2 things: - let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and \includegraphics in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command (the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...) I have no very strong feelings about this one, but note that such a change would mean a small loss of functionality. (staying in vmode is not the same as \indent ...\par) - let align=left|right behave correctly Switching the meaning of keywords that have existed for more than a decade does not seem wise to me. If something has to be done, then I would prefer scratching those two works altogether. But practically, we already have align=flushleft|flushright and the manuals should document these instead of bare left|right. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] suggestions for MKIV
Am 19.08.2009 um 14:41 schrieb Peter Münster:
Hello Hans,
Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there
are
already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of
beginners -
to change at least 2 things:
- let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and
\includegraphics
in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command
(the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...)
no, no and no!
\starttext
\placefigure{centered?}{\framed{vmode}}
\placefigure{centered?}{\dontleavehmode\framed{hmode}}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] suggestions for MKIV
Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Münster wrote: Hello Hans, Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there are already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of beginners - to change at least 2 things: - let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and \includegraphics in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command (the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...) I have no very strong feelings about this one, but note that such a change would mean a small loss of functionality. (staying in vmode is not the same as \indent ...\par) indeed. changing externalgraphic might be harmless (btw, normally it's never uses inline) but changing \framed is to tricky as it's a core macro used all over the place - let align=left|right behave correctly Switching the meaning of keywords that have existed for more than a decade does not seem wise to me. If something has to be done, then I would prefer scratching those two works altogether. But practically, we already have align=flushleft|flushright and the manuals should document these instead of bare left|right. indeed - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] suggestions for MKIV
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there are
already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of beginners -
to change at least 2 things:
- let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and \includegraphics
in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command
(the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...)
no, no and no!
\starttext
\placefigure{centered?}{\framed{vmode}}
\placefigure{centered?}{\dontleavehmode\framed{hmode}}
\stoptext
Hello Wolfgang,
I remember well your example. And again, it's more intuitive, if
\placefigure{centered?}{test}
and
\placefigure{centered?}{\framed{test}}
and
\placefigure{centered?}{test \framed{test} test}
would behave the *same* way.
There is no real problem for *me*, but it's very difficult to explain to a
beginner (often coming from LaTeX), that here and there, a \dontleavehmode
is needed. For beginner, this behaviour creates headaches!
Cheers, Peter
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Re: [NTG-context] suggestions for MKIV
Peter Münster wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there are
already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of beginners -
to change at least 2 things:
- let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and \includegraphics
in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command
(the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...)
no, no and no!
\starttext
\placefigure{centered?}{\framed{vmode}}
\placefigure{centered?}{\dontleavehmode\framed{hmode}}
\stoptext
Hello Wolfgang,
I remember well your example. And again, it's more intuitive, if
\placefigure{centered?}{test}
and
\placefigure{centered?}{\framed{test}}
and
\placefigure{centered?}{test \framed{test} test}
would behave the *same* way.
There is no real problem for *me*, but it's very difficult to explain to a
beginner (often coming from LaTeX), that here and there, a \dontleavehmode
\framed starts with a \bgroup which makes it possible to do
\setbox\vbox\framed
so we cannot change that without breaking things
-
Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
| www.pragma-pod.nl
-
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