Re: Robocopy reliability
I've seen copy jobs break several times...but not robocopy jobs The clue's in the nameROBust file COPY utility Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: David Lum david@nwea.org Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:53:44 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Robocopy reliability I have only seen it break if the underlying infrastructure breaksusually a permissions change on a source item or a password change on the service account that uses it :). I have several scheduled robocopy jobs and have only had problems when I break something underneath it. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
I've never had any problems with it. From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
If the network breaks, robocopy breaks. If the hardware breaks, robocopy breaks. I'd like to know one utility whether either of those are NOT true? I don't know of ANYTHING that is more reliable than robocopy. What did he suggest? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
I've never had an issue with the reliability of RoboCopy. I have used ScriptLogic's Secure Copy, which I believe is now a Dell product through the Quest acquisition. Great, product, but I wouldn't say it was more reliable, just easier to use and had a few specific features that we liked. One of which was the multi-threaded option. At that time, RoboCopy didn't have the /MT switch. YMMV Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 02/04/2013 11:38 AM Subject:Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
RE: Robocopy reliability
I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
+1 In fact just this morning I expanded it's use here automating the deletion of videos from a security camera share. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. ** ** The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. ** ** What are you trying to do? ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability ** ** Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. ** ** So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Thanks for the quick servery. My experience with robocopy has been positive as well. --T ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
*snerk* Did you point out that the robo in robocopy was short for robust and that it was made and named so because of shortcomings in copy? :) Ask if he'd prefer xcopy. ;) DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. Robocopy doesn't break. Ever, in my long history (10+years) of using it. Hardware breaks, connectivity breaks, I've made mistakes using it, inadvertently giving it bad or conflicting commands, but robocopy never breaks. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Fail. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Robocopy reliability
I have used XXCOPY for the few customers who still think Robocopy is an unsupported MS utility. http://xxcopy.com/ XXCOPY is actively updated and maintained and also has at less 10 quadzillion command line parameters. Thanks Webster From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Copy command failures are the reason we started using robocopy circa about 2002 Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:49:09 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Damien I didn't but I should have. I will if the conversation comes up again. --T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote: **snerk** Did you point out that the robo in robocopy was short for robust and that it was made and named so because of shortcomings in copy? J ** ** Ask if he’d prefer xcopy. ;) ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 1:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Robocopy is great, but Syncback might be worth a look in this case also. IIRC it can perform md5/sha1/etc. file consistency checks after a copy, retry, etc., and is easy to configure. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
BTW - you might point out to him that robocopy is native to Windows since Vista/2k8. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Syncback looks interesting. Thanks On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Steve Kradel skra...@zetetic.net wrote: Robocopy is great, but Syncback might be worth a look in this case also. IIRC it can perform md5/sha1/etc. file consistency checks after a copy, retry, etc., and is easy to configure. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: Robocopy reliability
I thought you had bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
There is a switch for that. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
RE: Robocopy reliability
You are new around here aren't you? :) He's been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999... From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
Re: Robocopy reliability
Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting. Tedious? Oh, yes. Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and sha1sum.exe exist. Something like this: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them, though. The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine, especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into directly-sized chunks. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;) ** ** *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Alluding, but I digress J ** ** I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. ** ** “Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s mother’s teacher had a flat once…” ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. ** ** We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. ** ** ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:** ** I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt diff -qr c:\one n:\two -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Oh, gack. That's what I get for doing this off the top of my head... This is still off the top of my head, but this actually has a chance of working: for /f %i in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt And this might be even cooler: for /f in (robocopy \\server1\share \\server2\share /e /copyall /fp /zb /mir ) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt but I don't know if that would work. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting. Tedious? Oh, yes. Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and sha1sum.exe exist. Something like this: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them, though. The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine, especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into directly-sized chunks. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;) ** ** *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Alluding, but I digress J ** ** I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. ** ** “Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s mother’s teacher had a flat once…” ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. ** ** We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. ** ** ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:* *** I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt diff -qr c:\one n:\two Interesting. Doing that against the hash lists, or the directory tree directly? If the latter, I don't think it would catch some kinds of errors. Could be wrong, though, and even if I'm right, the errors would be pretty rare. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Really? I musta missed it then. Of course, I've always known there was a bat. I just never heard it stated like that. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 4:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability You are new around here aren't you? :) He's been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999... From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: Robocopy reliability
LOL *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: “There’s a bat for that.” ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** Not nearly as flexible. ** ** Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
Re: Robocopy reliability
Indeed® *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: You are new around here aren’t you? J ** ** He’s been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999… ** ** *From:* Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: “There’s a bat for that.” ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** Not nearly as flexible. ** ** Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
RE: Robocopy reliability
Was kidding more than anything, but to take it to a slightly more serious level, you'd need a different utility to check the work of the first. If you don't trust robocopy to accurately copy files, why would you trust it to verify itself? Ideally, you'd want a different OS to do the verifying. Heck, to be sure, you'd want to check the platters inside a different drive. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 4:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability There is a switch for that. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here
RE: Robocopy reliability
I meant that uses only COPY as stated in your challenge :) From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Yes, I do -- several, in fact. A few use XCOPY, but most use ROBOCOPY, and a few let you choose with a config file. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote: I thought you had bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: diff -qr c:\one n:\two Doing that against the hash lists, or the directory tree directly? Against the directory trees directly. Doesn't work if you don't have access to both trees at the same time on the same machine, of course. If the latter, I don't think it would catch some kinds of errors. It should catch any difference in file content or existence. It will *not* catch differences in metadata (datestamps, permissions, etc.). All diff is doing here is reading each file and comparing them, byte by byte. If all bytes match, no output. If a mismatch is found, it reports Files X and Y differ. If a file/directory exists in only one tree, that will be reported, too. One should prolly force binary mode to be sure. Here are the long options if you prefer: diff --binary --brief --recursive c:\one n:\two -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Might as well keep it native ☺ Correct the drive letters on the second line if
needed.
for /f delims=* %i in ('dir /s/b') do echo %~pi%~ni%~xi files.txt
for /f delims=* %i in (files.txt) do fc C:%i G:%i
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability
Oh, gack.
That's what I get for doing this off the top of my head...
This is still off the top of my head, but this actually has a chance of working:
for /f %i in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
And this might be even cooler:
for /f in (robocopy \\server1\sharefile:///\\server1\share
\\server2\sharefile:///\\server2\share /e /copyall /fp /zb /mir ) do md5sum
%i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
but I don't know if that would work.
Kurt
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kurt Buff
kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting.
Tedious? Oh, yes.
Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and
sha1sum.exe exist.
Something like this:
for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them,
though.
The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine,
especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into
directly-sized chunks.
Kurt
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott
crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;)
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability
Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command
or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility.
Z
Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability
Alluding, but I digress ☺
I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like
something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if
pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics.
“Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s
mother’s teacher had a flat once…”
From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability
So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself.
Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be
not the same as the original.
We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source
control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the
entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying
it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is
removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller
tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:
I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions
copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008
server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions
since they were a mess.
The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling.
What are you trying to do?
From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Robocopy reliability
Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested
robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He
said I've seen it break.
So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable
than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as
well at least
