Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.comwrote: So here is how I see things in the near future for release: - compile a simple binary installer for mac os x and windows (no need for doc or multiple archs) from 1.4.x - test this with the scipy binary out there (running the full test suites), ideally other well known packages as well (matplotlib, pytables, etc...). - if it works for you, or you cannot easily test it, put it for wide testing as a basis for the 1.4.0.1 binary - if it works, make a RC1 for Numpy 1.4.0.1 (full binaries). I think we need to push this ASAP to recover from the current confusion w.r.t. binaries. That's a sensible plan, I'll start on it right away. Just to double-check, can the 1.4.x branch be released as-is? How about the version, the version scheme major.minor.micro does not allow for your proposed 1.4.0.1. Do you want to just drop the last .1 or make this 1.4.1? Patrick, are you okay with David's plan as well? Do you want to do this in parallel so we both generate a complete set of binaries? Cheers, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
Ralf Gommers wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com mailto:courn...@gmail.com wrote: So here is how I see things in the near future for release: - compile a simple binary installer for mac os x and windows (no need for doc or multiple archs) from 1.4.x - test this with the scipy binary out there (running the full test suites), ideally other well known packages as well (matplotlib, pytables, etc...). - if it works for you, or you cannot easily test it, put it for wide testing as a basis for the 1.4.0.1 binary - if it works, make a RC1 for Numpy 1.4.0.1 (full binaries). I think we need to push this ASAP to recover from the current confusion w.r.t. binaries. That's a sensible plan, I'll start on it right away. Great. Let me know of any glitch. Just to double-check, can the 1.4.x branch be released as-is? How about the version, the version scheme major.minor.micro does not allow for your proposed 1.4.0.1. Do you want to just drop the last .1 or make this 1.4.1? Yes, 1.4.1 is fine. There are a few fixes besides the ABI fix now, so no need to complicate things further. I think 1.4.x can serve as the basis for 1.4.1 as is. I have not checked recently if it builds OK on MS compiler, but not much has changed. cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
This sounds good to me. I also like the idea of doing this in parallel so we both have a complete set of binaries - at least on the Windows side. I'm still having issues with my MBP, but hope to have those resolved later today. Patrick On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.comwrote: So here is how I see things in the near future for release: - compile a simple binary installer for mac os x and windows (no need for doc or multiple archs) from 1.4.x - test this with the scipy binary out there (running the full test suites), ideally other well known packages as well (matplotlib, pytables, etc...). - if it works for you, or you cannot easily test it, put it for wide testing as a basis for the 1.4.0.1 binary - if it works, make a RC1 for Numpy 1.4.0.1 (full binaries). I think we need to push this ASAP to recover from the current confusion w.r.t. binaries. That's a sensible plan, I'll start on it right away. Just to double-check, can the 1.4.x branch be released as-is? How about the version, the version scheme major.minor.micro does not allow for your proposed 1.4.0.1. Do you want to just drop the last .1 or make this 1.4.1? Patrick, are you okay with David's plan as well? Do you want to do this in parallel so we both generate a complete set of binaries? Cheers, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion -- Patrick Marsh Ph.D. Student / NSSL Liaison to the HWT School of Meteorology / University of Oklahoma Cooperative Institute for Mesoscale Meteorological Studies National Severe Storms Laboratory http://www.patricktmarsh.com ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:19 AM, David Cournapeau da...@silveregg.co.jpwrote: Ralf Gommers wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com mailto:courn...@gmail.com wrote: So here is how I see things in the near future for release: - compile a simple binary installer for mac os x and windows (no need for doc or multiple archs) from 1.4.x - test this with the scipy binary out there (running the full test suites), ideally other well known packages as well (matplotlib, pytables, etc...). - if it works for you, or you cannot easily test it, put it for wide testing as a basis for the 1.4.0.1 binary - if it works, make a RC1 for Numpy 1.4.0.1 (full binaries). I think we need to push this ASAP to recover from the current confusion w.r.t. binaries. That's a sensible plan, I'll start on it right away. Great. Let me know of any glitch. Just to double-check, can the 1.4.x branch be released as-is? How about the version, the version scheme major.minor.micro does not allow for your proposed 1.4.0.1. Do you want to just drop the last .1 or make this 1.4.1? Yes, 1.4.1 is fine. There are a few fixes besides the ABI fix now, so no need to complicate things further. I think 1.4.x can serve as the basis for 1.4.1 as is. I have not checked recently if it builds OK on MS compiler, but not much has changed. I have the 2008 MSVC compiler already installed and can test building with Python 2.6 that this afternoon. I have an old 2003 MSVC disc that I can use to install MSVC 7.1 in parallel to allow me to test earlier versions as well. Cheers, Patrick cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion -- Patrick Marsh Ph.D. Student / NSSL Liaison to the HWT School of Meteorology / University of Oklahoma Cooperative Institute for Mesoscale Meteorological Studies National Severe Storms Laboratory http://www.patricktmarsh.com ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? I am putting them into numpy subversion as we speak (in vendor: http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/vendor). cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:52 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? I am putting them into numpy subversion as we speak (in vendor: http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/vendor). Thank you, Are they ok to link to as an update in http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows#head-cd37d819e333227e327079e4c2a2298daf625624 the old Atlas is 3.6.0 Josef cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:52 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? I am putting them into numpy subversion as we speak (in vendor: http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/vendor). Thank you, Are they ok to link to as an update in http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows#head-cd37d819e333227e327079e4c2a2298daf625624 Maybe we should put them also somewhere on the website directly - I am not sure whether it is good idea to download relatively large binaries directly from svn. cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:52 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? I am putting them into numpy subversion as we speak (in vendor: http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/vendor). Thanks a lot! Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:52 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? I am putting them into numpy subversion as we speak (in vendor: http://svn.scipy.org/svn/numpy/vendor). Thanks a lot! So here is how I see things in the near future for release: - compile a simple binary installer for mac os x and windows (no need for doc or multiple archs) from 1.4.x - test this with the scipy binary out there (running the full test suites), ideally other well known packages as well (matplotlib, pytables, etc...). - if it works for you, or you cannot easily test it, put it for wide testing as a basis for the 1.4.0.1 binary - if it works, make a RC1 for Numpy 1.4.0.1 (full binaries). I think we need to push this ASAP to recover from the current confusion w.r.t. binaries. cheers, David ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Ralf Gommers Final question is about Atlas and friends. Is 3.8.3 the best version to install? Does it compile out of the box under Wine? Is this page http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows still up-to-date with regard to the Lapack/Atlas info and does it apply for Wine? Atlas 3.9.x should not be used, it is too unstable IMO (it is a dev version after all, and windows receives little testing compared to unix). I will put the Atlas binaries I am using somewhere - building Atlas is already painful, but building it with a limited architecture on windows takes it to a whole new level (it is not supported by atlas, you have to patch the build system by yourself). Hi David, did you find time to put those Atlas binaries somewhere? Thanks, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David and all, I have a few questions on setting up the build environment on OS X for Windows binaries. I have Wine installed with Python 2.5 and 2.6, MakeNsis and MinGW. The first question is what is meant in the Paver script by cpuid plugin. Wine seems to know what to do with a cpuid instruction, but I can not find a plugin. Searching for cpuid plugin turns up nothing except the NumPy pavement.py file. What is this? That's a small NSIS plugin to detect at install time the exact capabilities of the CPU (SSE2, SSE3, etc...). The sources are found in tools/win32build/cpucaps, and should be built with mingw (Visual Studio is not supported, it uses gcc-specific inline assembly). You then copy the dll into the plugin directory of nsis. Yep got it. There's quite some stuff hidden in tools/ and vendor/ that I never noticed before. Final question is about Atlas and friends. Is 3.8.3 the best version to install? Does it compile out of the box under Wine? Is this page http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows still up-to-date with regard to the Lapack/Atlas info and does it apply for Wine? Atlas 3.9.x should not be used, it is too unstable IMO (it is a dev version after all, and windows receives little testing compared to unix). I will put the Atlas binaries I am using somewhere That would be *great*. Thanks, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David and all, I have a few questions on setting up the build environment on OS X for Windows binaries. I have Wine installed with Python 2.5 and 2.6, MakeNsis and MinGW. The first question is what is meant in the Paver script by cpuid plugin. Wine seems to know what to do with a cpuid instruction, but I can not find a plugin. Searching for cpuid plugin turns up nothing except the NumPy pavement.py file. What is this? Second question is about Fortran. It's needed for SciPy at least, so I may as well get it right now. MinGW only comes with g77, and this page: http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows says that this is the default compiler. So Fortran 77 on Windows and Fortran 95 on OS X as defaults, is that right? No need for g95/gfortran at all? Final question is about Atlas and friends. Is 3.8.3 the best version to install? Does it compile out of the box under Wine? Is this page http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows still up-to-date with regard to the Lapack/Atlas info and does it apply for Wine? And do I have to compile it three times, with the only difference the '-arch' flag set to SSE2, SSE3 and what's NoSSE?? Currently scipy binaries are build with MingW 3.4.5, as far as I know, which includes g77. The latest release of MingW uses gfortran, gcc 4.4.0 I think, that, eventually, scipy should switch to gfortran also on Windows. But it might need some compatibility testing. And it would be very useful if someone could provide the Lapack/Atlas binaries, similar to the ones that are on the scipy webpage for mingw 3.4.5. (I don't have a setup where I can build Atlas binaries). I haven't switched yet, but, given some comments on the mailinglists, it looks like several windows users are using gfortran without reported problems. Josef Thanks, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:25 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David and all, I have a few questions on setting up the build environment on OS X for Windows binaries. I have Wine installed with Python 2.5 and 2.6, MakeNsis and MinGW. The first question is what is meant in the Paver script by cpuid plugin. Wine seems to know what to do with a cpuid instruction, but I can not find a plugin. Searching for cpuid plugin turns up nothing except the NumPy pavement.py file. What is this? Second question is about Fortran. It's needed for SciPy at least, so I may as well get it right now. MinGW only comes with g77, and this page: http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows says that this is the default compiler. So Fortran 77 on Windows and Fortran 95 on OS X as defaults, is that right? No need for g95/gfortran at all? Final question is about Atlas and friends. Is 3.8.3 the best version to install? Does it compile out of the box under Wine? Is this page http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows still up-to-date with regard to the Lapack/Atlas info and does it apply for Wine? And do I have to compile it three times, with the only difference the '-arch' flag set to SSE2, SSE3 and what's NoSSE?? Currently scipy binaries are build with MingW 3.4.5, as far as I know, which includes g77. The latest release of MingW uses gfortran, gcc 4.4.0 You mean gcc 3.4.5, and yes that's what I've got. MinGW itself is at version 5.1.6 now, and still include gcc and g77 3.4.5. Not sure where you see gcc 4.4.0 but I can easily have missed it on what surely has to be the worst download page on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/ I think, that, eventually, scipy should switch to gfortran also on Windows. But it might need some compatibility testing. And it would be very useful if someone could provide the Lapack/Atlas binaries, similar to the ones that are on the scipy webpage for mingw 3.4.5. (I don't have a setup where I can build Atlas binaries). Where are these binaries hidden? All I can find is http://scipy.org/Cookbook/CompilingExtensionsOnWindowsWithMinGW I haven't switched yet, but, given some comments on the mailinglists, it looks like several windows users are using gfortran without reported problems. Makes sense to use the same Fortran compiler everywhere. gfortran works well for me on OS X. Thanks Josef. Cheers, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:25 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi David and all, I have a few questions on setting up the build environment on OS X for Windows binaries. I have Wine installed with Python 2.5 and 2.6, MakeNsis and MinGW. The first question is what is meant in the Paver script by cpuid plugin. Wine seems to know what to do with a cpuid instruction, but I can not find a plugin. Searching for cpuid plugin turns up nothing except the NumPy pavement.py file. What is this? Second question is about Fortran. It's needed for SciPy at least, so I may as well get it right now. MinGW only comes with g77, and this page: http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows says that this is the default compiler. So Fortran 77 on Windows and Fortran 95 on OS X as defaults, is that right? No need for g95/gfortran at all? Final question is about Atlas and friends. Is 3.8.3 the best version to install? Does it compile out of the box under Wine? Is this page http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows still up-to-date with regard to the Lapack/Atlas info and does it apply for Wine? And do I have to compile it three times, with the only difference the '-arch' flag set to SSE2, SSE3 and what's NoSSE?? Currently scipy binaries are build with MingW 3.4.5, as far as I know, which includes g77. The latest release of MingW uses gfortran, gcc 4.4.0 You mean gcc 3.4.5, and yes that's what I've got. MinGW itself is at version 5.1.6 now, and still include gcc and g77 3.4.5. Not sure where you see gcc 4.4.0 but I can easily have missed it on what surely has to be the worst download page on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/ (I don't think the mingw version is important, it's more important which gcc is bundled, so I'm sloppy.) http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/GCC%20Version%204/Current%20Release_%20gcc-4.4.0/ view all files and header GCC Version 4 mingw hompage is a bit scarce on information on release version, at least I don't find it I think, that, eventually, scipy should switch to gfortran also on Windows. But it might need some compatibility testing. And it would be very useful if someone could provide the Lapack/Atlas binaries, similar to the ones that are on the scipy webpage for mingw 3.4.5. (I don't have a setup where I can build Atlas binaries). Where are these binaries hidden? All I can find is http://scipy.org/Cookbook/CompilingExtensionsOnWindowsWithMinGW These are the Atlas binaries that I am using with MinGW gcc 3.4.5 http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows#head-cd37d819e333227e327079e4c2a2298daf625624 I haven't switched yet, but, given some comments on the mailinglists, it looks like several windows users are using gfortran without reported problems. Makes sense to use the same Fortran compiler everywhere. gfortran works well for me on OS X. Thanks Josef. Cheers, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
Re: [Numpy-discussion] Building Windows binaries on OS X
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:06 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: Currently scipy binaries are build with MingW 3.4.5, as far as I know, which includes g77. The latest release of MingW uses gfortran, gcc 4.4.0 You mean gcc 3.4.5, and yes that's what I've got. MinGW itself is at version 5.1.6 now, and still include gcc and g77 3.4.5. Not sure where you see gcc 4.4.0 but I can easily have missed it on what surely has to be the worst download page on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/ (I don't think the mingw version is important, it's more important which gcc is bundled, so I'm sloppy.) http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/GCC%20Version%204/Current%20Release_%20gcc-4.4.0/ view all files and header GCC Version 4 This is not in the current default MinGW bundle, that still pulls in 3.4.5. But you could indeed install it manually. I think, that, eventually, scipy should switch to gfortran also on Windows. But it might need some compatibility testing. And it would be very useful if someone could provide the Lapack/Atlas binaries, similar to the ones that are on the scipy webpage for mingw 3.4.5. (I don't have a setup where I can build Atlas binaries). Where are these binaries hidden? All I can find is http://scipy.org/Cookbook/CompilingExtensionsOnWindowsWithMinGW These are the Atlas binaries that I am using with MinGW gcc 3.4.5 http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Windows#head-cd37d819e333227e327079e4c2a2298daf625624 Ah yes, thanks. I read that page before, but the word 'Pentium' triggered a fast-forward. Cheers, Ralf ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
