Re: [nysbirds-l] Whimbrel at Breezy Point, Queens NY

[Brent Bomkamp]

Not to present too provocative of an opinion, but there may be an argument
that this bird is a Eurasian Curlew.  The second photo shows significant
barring in the secondaries extending into the inner primaries.  This
feature is absent in both “European” and “Eurasian” Whimbrel, which show a
clean demarcation between the secondaries and primaries, with the primaries
being darker and only slightly barred on the inner webs of the innermost
feathers.  This is depicted in figures 9 and 10 on p. 110 of O’Brien,
Crossley, and Karlson.

However, this feature is obvious in Eurasian Curlew as drawn in Svensson
and Grant.  A quick Google image search shows the characteristic as well.
Perhaps birders with greater palearctic experience could corroborate this
conclusion.

While O’Brien et al refers to European Whimbrel as a spring vagrant to the
east coast and Eurasian Curlew as a fall visitor, records are sporadic
enough that no trend is obvious.  In addition, on eBird most Eurasian
Curlew records from the Massachusetts/New York area appear to be from the
late winter-early spring time frame.

Depending on one’s perspective, the sole verbal description of the bird as
having a “...long curved bill...” could be seen as additional support for
Curlew, as compared with the relatively shorter curved bill of Whimbrel.
However, lacking further description by the observer including body
coloration, structure, underwing pattern, and vocalizations, neither
species can be conclusively supported IMO.

Brent Bomkamp
Eatons Neck

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 1:57 PM Angus Wilson 
wrote:

> Like Bob Paxton I was initially puzzled by the square shape of the white
> wedge, especially in first image (ML94655071) but accept it looks a little
> better in the second image (ML94655101). Is it correc to assume the dark
> blob is the heavy barring on the upperside of the tail?
>
> I considered Greater Yellowlegs based on the first image but that ID would
> be hard reconcile with seeing a decurved bill (mentioned in Cesar's
> original posting) but with the caveat that the bill shape is hard to
> discern from the photos accompanying the checklist. That said, I'm not
> seeing an obvious foot extension beyond the tail, which does fit with it
> being a Whimbrel. Are there any more photos even if not as sharp?
>
> So-called 'White-rumped Whimbrels' are genuine vagrants to eastern North
> America with a handful of April and May records. Tagging such birds as
> either 'European' or 'Eurasian/Siberian' is tricky because three subspecies
> (N. p. phaeopus, N. p. alboaxillaris and N. p. variegatus) need to be
> considered. Steppe Whimbrel (alboaxillaris) is no longer numerous and
> pretty unlikely, but the other two are serious contenders, with nominate
> 'European' Whimbrel (phaeopus) more likely perhaps in spring and the very
> similar 'Siberian' Whimbrel (variegatus) a sensible possibility in the
> fall. If I recall correctly, the tail and upper tail coverts of variegatus
> are darker than phaeopus.
>
> Fun stuff!
>
> Angus Wilson
> New York City
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo <
> jose.ramirez.garof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s a European Whimbrel
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:09 Robert Paxton  wrote:
>>
>>> The Eurasian Whimbrel doesn't have a white line up the back but a white
>>> wedge, broad at the base and narrowing up to a point in the middle back.
>>>Bob Paxton
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Isaac Grant 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That Whimbrel photo seems to show a Eurasian Whimbrel. Looks like a
 white line going up the back in the one photo and barred whitish tail.
 Super cool.

 Isaac Grant
 Senior Loan Officer

 On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Cesar Castillo  wrote:

 I walked out from the Fishermans parking lot at Fort Tilden to Breezy
 Point jetty.  On the long march back a Whimbrel flew towards me and then
 past me.  I got some bad photos of it as it flew away, but you can still
 see the curved bill and whitish rump of this largish shorebird.  Other good
 finds included a small flock of White-winged Scoters in the choppy waters
 and hundreds of Northern Gannets, Purple Sandpipers and up to 8 Piping
 Plovers.  Some breeding plumage Common Loons.  I thought I saw a seal as I
 approached the jetty but it dove down and never popped up again.

 Here is a link to the e-bird report.

 https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44596163


 Afterwards I stopped by Big Egg Marsh and on the way out I found a
 Tricolored Heron.  It was in the marshy area found between the bridge to
 the Rockaways, the parking lot and the baseball fields.  Very easy to
 photograph from that spot even with my 300mm.
 See checklist below.

 https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44599081





 César

 Una tarde la 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Whimbrel at Breezy Point, Queens NY

[Brent Bomkamp]

Not to present too provocative of an opinion, but there may be an argument
that this bird is a Eurasian Curlew.  The second photo shows significant
barring in the secondaries extending into the inner primaries.  This
feature is absent in both “European” and “Eurasian” Whimbrel, which show a
clean demarcation between the secondaries and primaries, with the primaries
being darker and only slightly barred on the inner webs of the innermost
feathers.  This is depicted in figures 9 and 10 on p. 110 of O’Brien,
Crossley, and Karlson.

However, this feature is obvious in Eurasian Curlew as drawn in Svensson
and Grant.  A quick Google image search shows the characteristic as well.
Perhaps birders with greater palearctic experience could corroborate this
conclusion.

While O’Brien et al refers to European Whimbrel as a spring vagrant to the
east coast and Eurasian Curlew as a fall visitor, records are sporadic
enough that no trend is obvious.  In addition, on eBird most Eurasian
Curlew records from the Massachusetts/New York area appear to be from the
late winter-early spring time frame.

Depending on one’s perspective, the sole verbal description of the bird as
having a “...long curved bill...” could be seen as additional support for
Curlew, as compared with the relatively shorter curved bill of Whimbrel.
However, lacking further description by the observer including body
coloration, structure, underwing pattern, and vocalizations, neither
species can be conclusively supported IMO.

Brent Bomkamp
Eatons Neck

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 1:57 PM Angus Wilson 
wrote:

> Like Bob Paxton I was initially puzzled by the square shape of the white
> wedge, especially in first image (ML94655071) but accept it looks a little
> better in the second image (ML94655101). Is it correc to assume the dark
> blob is the heavy barring on the upperside of the tail?
>
> I considered Greater Yellowlegs based on the first image but that ID would
> be hard reconcile with seeing a decurved bill (mentioned in Cesar's
> original posting) but with the caveat that the bill shape is hard to
> discern from the photos accompanying the checklist. That said, I'm not
> seeing an obvious foot extension beyond the tail, which does fit with it
> being a Whimbrel. Are there any more photos even if not as sharp?
>
> So-called 'White-rumped Whimbrels' are genuine vagrants to eastern North
> America with a handful of April and May records. Tagging such birds as
> either 'European' or 'Eurasian/Siberian' is tricky because three subspecies
> (N. p. phaeopus, N. p. alboaxillaris and N. p. variegatus) need to be
> considered. Steppe Whimbrel (alboaxillaris) is no longer numerous and
> pretty unlikely, but the other two are serious contenders, with nominate
> 'European' Whimbrel (phaeopus) more likely perhaps in spring and the very
> similar 'Siberian' Whimbrel (variegatus) a sensible possibility in the
> fall. If I recall correctly, the tail and upper tail coverts of variegatus
> are darker than phaeopus.
>
> Fun stuff!
>
> Angus Wilson
> New York City
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Jose Ramirez-Garofalo <
> jose.ramirez.garof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s a European Whimbrel
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:09 Robert Paxton  wrote:
>>
>>> The Eurasian Whimbrel doesn't have a white line up the back but a white
>>> wedge, broad at the base and narrowing up to a point in the middle back.
>>>Bob Paxton
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Isaac Grant 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That Whimbrel photo seems to show a Eurasian Whimbrel. Looks like a
 white line going up the back in the one photo and barred whitish tail.
 Super cool.

 Isaac Grant
 Senior Loan Officer

 On Apr 15, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Cesar Castillo  wrote:

 I walked out from the Fishermans parking lot at Fort Tilden to Breezy
 Point jetty.  On the long march back a Whimbrel flew towards me and then
 past me.  I got some bad photos of it as it flew away, but you can still
 see the curved bill and whitish rump of this largish shorebird.  Other good
 finds included a small flock of White-winged Scoters in the choppy waters
 and hundreds of Northern Gannets, Purple Sandpipers and up to 8 Piping
 Plovers.  Some breeding plumage Common Loons.  I thought I saw a seal as I
 approached the jetty but it dove down and never popped up again.

 Here is a link to the e-bird report.

 https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44596163


 Afterwards I stopped by Big Egg Marsh and on the way out I found a
 Tricolored Heron.  It was in the marshy area found between the bridge to
 the Rockaways, the parking lot and the baseball fields.  Very easy to
 photograph from that spot even with my 300mm.
 See checklist below.

 https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44599081





 César

 Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era
 traviesa  y la quiso ir a 

[nysbirds-l] East End (Hampton Bays) report

[Bruce Horwith]

A quick trip along Dune Rd did not turn up any rarities, but it was nice to
see FOS boat-tailed grackle, glossy ibis, and northern rough-winged
swallow, along with the expected -- several greater yellowlegs,
oystercatcher, great and snowy egrets, great blue heron, brant, osprey,
northern harrier and kestrel.

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[nysbirds-l] East End (Hampton Bays) report

[Bruce Horwith]

A quick trip along Dune Rd did not turn up any rarities, but it was nice to
see FOS boat-tailed grackle, glossy ibis, and northern rough-winged
swallow, along with the expected -- several greater yellowlegs,
oystercatcher, great and snowy egrets, great blue heron, brant, osprey,
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[nysbirds-l] YELLOW-THROATED WARBLER - Bayard Cutting Arboretum (Suffolk)

[John Gluth]

Male, singing somewhat regularly while moving through the northern part of the 
pinetum. Ranged from just east of toll booth to private residence near NE 
corner of the pinetum. 

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[nysbirds-l] YELLOW-THROATED WARBLER - Bayard Cutting Arboretum (Suffolk)

[John Gluth]

Male, singing somewhat regularly while moving through the northern part of the 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Curt and all,

Pat visited Timber Point a short time ago and reported no Tringas in the 
puddles and miserable conditions overall.

I plan to check myself in a little while.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122483584-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122483584-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Curt McDermott 
[tele-...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:09 AM
To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu; Shane Blodgett
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

Hi All,

  Any additional reports today on the Wood Sandpiper, whether successful or 
unsuccessful would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


Good Birding,


Curt McDermott



From: bounce-122483139-8631...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:40 AM
To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

As of 8:30 a.m. no sightings of WOSA at Timber Point. There were 9 Greater and 
3 Lesser Yellowlegs  in the rain pool where it had previously been reported but 
they flew out by 6:45 and have not been back. 3 Dunlin there briefly as well 
around 8:15 but no other shorebirds that I am aware of.

Shane Blodgett
Brooklyn NY

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Curt and all,

Pat visited Timber Point a short time ago and reported no Tringas in the 
puddles and miserable conditions overall.

I plan to check myself in a little while.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122483584-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
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[tele-...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:09 AM
To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu; Shane Blodgett
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

Hi All,

  Any additional reports today on the Wood Sandpiper, whether successful or 
unsuccessful would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


Good Birding,


Curt McDermott



From: bounce-122483139-8631...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Shane Blodgett 

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:40 AM
To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

As of 8:30 a.m. no sightings of WOSA at Timber Point. There were 9 Greater and 
3 Lesser Yellowlegs  in the rain pool where it had previously been reported but 
they flew out by 6:45 and have not been back. 3 Dunlin there briefly as well 
around 8:15 but no other shorebirds that I am aware of.

Shane Blodgett
Brooklyn NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

[Curt McDermott]

Hi All,

  Any additional reports today on the Wood Sandpiper, whether successful or 
unsuccessful would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


Good Birding,


Curt McDermott



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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:40 AM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

As of 8:30 a.m. no sightings of WOSA at Timber Point. There were 9 Greater and 
3 Lesser Yellowlegs  in the rain pool where it had previously been reported but 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

[Curt McDermott]

Hi All,

  Any additional reports today on the Wood Sandpiper, whether successful or 
unsuccessful would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


Good Birding,


Curt McDermott



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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper/NO

As of 8:30 a.m. no sightings of WOSA at Timber Point. There were 9 Greater and 
3 Lesser Yellowlegs  in the rain pool where it had previously been reported but 
they flew out by 6:45 and have not been back. 3 Dunlin there briefly as well 
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[nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper NO so far - Suffolk County

[Patricia Lindsay]

Got word at 7:15 that there were no birds in the rain pool, but there 
are some folks holding vigil there and checking Heckscher as well. If I 
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[nysbirds-l] Wood Sandpiper NO so far - Suffolk County

[Patricia Lindsay]

Got word at 7:15 that there were no birds in the rain pool, but there 
are some folks holding vigil there and checking Heckscher as well. If I 
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