Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Donna Schulman]

Some of these questions are answered on the ABA Listing & Taxonomy
website:  https://www.aba.org/listing-taxonomy/ and
https://www.aba.org/aba-recording-rules-and-interpretations/

Example:
RULE 4: Diagnostic characteristics, sufficient for the recorder to identify
it to species, must have been seen and/or heard and/or documented for the
bird encountered.

A. “Diagnostic characteristics” means the natural characteristics needed to
uniquely determine the species of the bird. It is not necessary to
experience every possible diagnostic characteristic, but simply sufficient
characteristics to eliminate the possibility of the bird being any other
species.

(i) Identification of the bird may be made after the initial encounter. It
is not always possible to secure a positive identification initially, but,
using physical and/or written documentation, identification is sometimes
possible after the fact, upon consultation of references and/or other
authorities. With very tricky identifications, for example, photographs or
recordings sometimes reveal minute, yet critical, details that were not
discernible during the initial encounter. Furthermore, our knowledge of how
to separate similar species in the field is continually advancing. On rare
occasions, a species may not be identifiable until after it has been
captured and studied in the hand, or had feather and blood samples
analyzed. In such instances of “after-the-fact” ID, the bird may be counted
on one’s lists.


Donna

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM John Kent  wrote:

> Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people
> photograph but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's
> fine for eBird, assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?
>
> John Kent
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
>
> Remote birding
>
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.
>
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
>
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
> into the database.
>
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
>
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
> be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
> dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
> of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
> programmers earn their keep.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Donna Schulman]

Some of these questions are answered on the ABA Listing & Taxonomy
website:  https://www.aba.org/listing-taxonomy/ and
https://www.aba.org/aba-recording-rules-and-interpretations/

Example:
RULE 4: Diagnostic characteristics, sufficient for the recorder to identify
it to species, must have been seen and/or heard and/or documented for the
bird encountered.

A. “Diagnostic characteristics” means the natural characteristics needed to
uniquely determine the species of the bird. It is not necessary to
experience every possible diagnostic characteristic, but simply sufficient
characteristics to eliminate the possibility of the bird being any other
species.

(i) Identification of the bird may be made after the initial encounter. It
is not always possible to secure a positive identification initially, but,
using physical and/or written documentation, identification is sometimes
possible after the fact, upon consultation of references and/or other
authorities. With very tricky identifications, for example, photographs or
recordings sometimes reveal minute, yet critical, details that were not
discernible during the initial encounter. Furthermore, our knowledge of how
to separate similar species in the field is continually advancing. On rare
occasions, a species may not be identifiable until after it has been
captured and studied in the hand, or had feather and blood samples
analyzed. In such instances of “after-the-fact” ID, the bird may be counted
on one’s lists.


Donna

*---*




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*


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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM John Kent  wrote:

> Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people
> photograph but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's
> fine for eBird, assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?
>
> John Kent
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
>
> Remote birding
>
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.
>
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
>
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
> into the database.
>
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
>
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
> be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
> dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
> of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
> programmers earn their keep.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[John Kent]

Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people photograph 
but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's fine for eBird, 
assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?

John Kent

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Remote birding
> 
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected. 
> 
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
> 
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls 
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads into 
> the database. 
> 
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
> 
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same 
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to be 
> acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent dates ) 
> could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports of the 
> same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how programmers 
> earn their keep. 
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>> __ __
>> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
>> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>> __ __
>> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
>> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>> __ __
>> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
>> retinas.
>> __ __
>> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
>> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
>> my retinas.
>> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>> __ __
>> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, 
>> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
>> catch with a football passing machine).
>> __ __
>> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor 
>> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>> __ __
>> The problems of the modern age.
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[John Kent]

Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people photograph 
but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's fine for eBird, 
assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?

John Kent

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Remote birding
> 
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected. 
> 
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
> 
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls 
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads into 
> the database. 
> 
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
> 
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same 
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to be 
> acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent dates ) 
> could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports of the 
> same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how programmers 
> earn their keep. 
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>> __ __
>> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
>> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>> __ __
>> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
>> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>> __ __
>> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
>> retinas.
>> __ __
>> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
>> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
>> my retinas.
>> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>> __ __
>> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, 
>> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
>> catch with a football passing machine).
>> __ __
>> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor 
>> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>> __ __
>> The problems of the modern age.
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
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[nysbirds-l] Roseate Spoonbill Update, July 29th--Dutches NO, Long Island YES

[Donna Schulman]

This news is based on messages from respective text alert groups:

Debbie van Zyl reports "no sign of the Spoonbill this morning" from
Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County.

Mary Beth Mills reports that the Long Island Spoonbill was at the south
side of Cold Spring Harbor this morning. If it sticks to its routine, it
will fly over to St. John's Pond, behind the church, late morning or around
noon.

Donna Schulman

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-- Forwarded message -
From: Andrew Baksh 
Date: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:19 AM
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor LI Roseate Spoonbill continues…
To: nysbirds-l 
Cc: NycEbirds 


>From Ed Becher: Roseate continues.. being seen now from fishing docks
looking west

See previous post for location details.


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風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain
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[nysbirds-l] Roseate Spoonbill Update, July 29th--Dutches NO, Long Island YES

[Donna Schulman]

This news is based on messages from respective text alert groups:

Debbie van Zyl reports "no sign of the Spoonbill this morning" from
Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County.

Mary Beth Mills reports that the Long Island Spoonbill was at the south
side of Cold Spring Harbor this morning. If it sticks to its routine, it
will fly over to St. John's Pond, behind the church, late morning or around
noon.

Donna Schulman

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-- Forwarded message -
From: Andrew Baksh 
Date: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:19 AM
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor LI Roseate Spoonbill continues…
To: nysbirds-l 
Cc: NycEbirds 


>From Ed Becher: Roseate continues.. being seen now from fishing docks
looking west

See previous post for location details.


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Richard Guthrie]

Remote birding

If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.

How that knowledge is used is a different matter.

eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
into the database.

But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.

I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
programmers earn their keep.

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene County,
New York

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:

> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Richard Guthrie]

Remote birding

If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.

How that knowledge is used is a different matter.

eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
into the database.

But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.

I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
programmers earn their keep.

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene County,
New York

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:

> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Joseph Borker]

So seeing a bird thru the viewfinder of a mirror less camera does not count but 
thru a DSLR would count according to those rules. It maybe time to make some 
adjustments for new technologies.

By the way field biology studies use camera for various reasons including 
censuses 

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> On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
> 
> This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
> for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's 
> video cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.
> 
> There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
> lenses in binocular or telescope.
> 
> Bob Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Depends on what you mean by real. 
> 
> In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
> last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.
> 
> "Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"
> 
> "Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
> real."
> 
> I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
> recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
> everything else, after all.
> 
> I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after 
> all.
> 
> Just saying...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: gle...@verizon.net 
> Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 
> 
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>  
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>  
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>  
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
> retinas.
>  
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
> my retinas.
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>  
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
> very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
> catch with a football passing machine).
>  
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
> day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>  
> The problems of the modern age.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Joseph Borker]

So seeing a bird thru the viewfinder of a mirror less camera does not count but 
thru a DSLR would count according to those rules. It maybe time to make some 
adjustments for new technologies.

By the way field biology studies use camera for various reasons including 
censuses 

Sent from mobile device

> On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
> 
> This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
> for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's 
> video cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.
> 
> There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
> lenses in binocular or telescope.
> 
> Bob Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Depends on what you mean by real. 
> 
> In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
> last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.
> 
> "Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"
> 
> "Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
> real."
> 
> I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
> recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
> everything else, after all.
> 
> I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after 
> all.
> 
> Just saying...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: gle...@verizon.net 
> Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 
> 
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>  
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>  
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>  
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
> retinas.
>  
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
> my retinas.
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>  
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
> very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
> catch with a football passing machine).
>  
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
> day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>  
> The problems of the modern age.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[rcech]

Sorry, I didn't mean that for the list. I'm not surprised to hear there's 
already a "photons-to-eye" rule for ABA.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-125799748-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: gle...@verizon.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; rcech 
Cc: epey...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device


 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[rcech]

Sorry, I didn't mean that for the list. I'm not surprised to hear there's 
already a "photons-to-eye" rule for ABA.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-125799748-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: gle...@verizon.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; rcech 
Cc: epey...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device


 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
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Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Robert Lewis]

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



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From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

[Robert Lewis]

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device


 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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