Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC - update

2018-04-27 Thread Gus Keri 
My apology. I should have informed the list of the revision that I made few 
hours ago.

I made the revision after a discussion with one of Brooklyn eBird moderators. 

He wasn't convinced it was a Kite and he suggested the possibility of Peregrine 
falcon with missing feathers to me.









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 On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:59:12 -0700 Angus Wilson 
oceanwander...@gmail.com wrote 




The tentative identification of this raptor as kite did not sit well with me. I 
think Swallow-tailed Kite (a plausible early spring vagrant) is easily ruled 
out by the generally dark aspect to the body, tail and wings, and don't think 
this is entirely attributable to shadow. Swallow-tails are distinctive at all 
ages in the degree of contrast between the white head/ body and the black 
flight feathers. Mississippi Kites are darker but the tail appears fan shaped 
or narrow and square but never deeply forked. A Peregrine with one or two 
central tail feathers missing or damaged seems a better match to my eyes in 
terms of coloration and silhouette. The narrowness of the wings, especially at 
the base, might be an issue but perhaps this is because the bird is turned 
slightly?



Revisiting the corresponding eBird checklist, I see the observer has now come 
to same conclusion:



https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44965401



Fair enough but I think it's worth sharing the revision with the list so that 
there's no misunderstandings about whether or not a kite was logged. Still 
plenty of opportunities for either kite, especially if any are sighted from 
Sandy Hook NJ where in years past examples have been seen drifting over the 
Raritan Bay towards NY.


Angus Wilson

New York City



On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:48 AM, David Barrett mil...@gmail.com wrote:

This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared to be 
a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in Brooklyn. View 
and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration could not be 
perceived:



https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584



Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other 
ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay. 



David Barrett

www.bigmanhattanyear.com


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC - update

2018-04-27 Thread Gus Keri 
My apology. I should have informed the list of the revision that I made few 
hours ago.

I made the revision after a discussion with one of Brooklyn eBird moderators. 

He wasn't convinced it was a Kite and he suggested the possibility of Peregrine 
falcon with missing feathers to me.









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 On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:59:12 -0700 Angus Wilson 
oceanwander...@gmail.com wrote 




The tentative identification of this raptor as kite did not sit well with me. I 
think Swallow-tailed Kite (a plausible early spring vagrant) is easily ruled 
out by the generally dark aspect to the body, tail and wings, and don't think 
this is entirely attributable to shadow. Swallow-tails are distinctive at all 
ages in the degree of contrast between the white head/ body and the black 
flight feathers. Mississippi Kites are darker but the tail appears fan shaped 
or narrow and square but never deeply forked. A Peregrine with one or two 
central tail feathers missing or damaged seems a better match to my eyes in 
terms of coloration and silhouette. The narrowness of the wings, especially at 
the base, might be an issue but perhaps this is because the bird is turned 
slightly?



Revisiting the corresponding eBird checklist, I see the observer has now come 
to same conclusion:



https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44965401



Fair enough but I think it's worth sharing the revision with the list so that 
there's no misunderstandings about whether or not a kite was logged. Still 
plenty of opportunities for either kite, especially if any are sighted from 
Sandy Hook NJ where in years past examples have been seen drifting over the 
Raritan Bay towards NY.


Angus Wilson

New York City



On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:48 AM, David Barrett mil...@gmail.com wrote:

This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared to be 
a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in Brooklyn. View 
and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration could not be 
perceived:



https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584



Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other 
ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay. 



David Barrett

www.bigmanhattanyear.com


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC - update

2018-04-27 Thread Angus Wilson 
The tentative identification of this raptor as kite did not sit well with
me. I think Swallow-tailed Kite (a plausible early spring vagrant) is
easily ruled out by the generally dark aspect to the body, tail and wings,
and don't think this is entirely attributable to shadow. Swallow-tails are
distinctive at all ages in the degree of contrast between the white head/
body and the black flight feathers. Mississippi Kites are darker but the
tail appears fan shaped or narrow and square but never deeply forked. A
Peregrine with one or two central tail feathers missing or damaged seems a
better match to my eyes in terms of coloration and silhouette. The
narrowness of the wings, especially at the base, might be an issue but
perhaps this is because the bird is turned slightly?

Revisiting the corresponding eBird checklist, I see the observer has now
come to same conclusion:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44965401

Fair enough but I think it's worth sharing the revision with the list so
that there's no misunderstandings about whether or not a kite was logged.
Still plenty of opportunities for either kite, especially if any are
sighted from Sandy Hook NJ where in years past examples have been seen
drifting over the Raritan Bay towards NY.

Angus Wilson
New York City

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:48 AM, David Barrett  wrote:

> This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared
> to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in
> Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration
> could not be perceived:
>
> https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584
>
> Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some
> other ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay.
>
> David Barrett
> www.bigmanhattanyear.com
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC - update

2018-04-27 Thread Angus Wilson 
The tentative identification of this raptor as kite did not sit well with
me. I think Swallow-tailed Kite (a plausible early spring vagrant) is
easily ruled out by the generally dark aspect to the body, tail and wings,
and don't think this is entirely attributable to shadow. Swallow-tails are
distinctive at all ages in the degree of contrast between the white head/
body and the black flight feathers. Mississippi Kites are darker but the
tail appears fan shaped or narrow and square but never deeply forked. A
Peregrine with one or two central tail feathers missing or damaged seems a
better match to my eyes in terms of coloration and silhouette. The
narrowness of the wings, especially at the base, might be an issue but
perhaps this is because the bird is turned slightly?

Revisiting the corresponding eBird checklist, I see the observer has now
come to same conclusion:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44965401

Fair enough but I think it's worth sharing the revision with the list so
that there's no misunderstandings about whether or not a kite was logged.
Still plenty of opportunities for either kite, especially if any are
sighted from Sandy Hook NJ where in years past examples have been seen
drifting over the Raritan Bay towards NY.

Angus Wilson
New York City

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:48 AM, David Barrett  wrote:

> This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared
> to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in
> Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration
> could not be perceived:
>
> https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584
>
> Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some
> other ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay.
>
> David Barrett
> www.bigmanhattanyear.com
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

2018-04-26 Thread Deborah Allen 
I've looked at the photo and just wonder if anyone has considered Mississippi Kite for this bird. Deb-Original Message-
From: David Barrett <mil...@gmail.com>
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration could not be perceived:https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay. David Barrettwww.bigmanhattanyear.com


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

2018-04-26 Thread Deborah Allen 
I've looked at the photo and just wonder if anyone has considered Mississippi Kite for this bird. Deb-Original Message-
From: David Barrett 
Sent: Apr 26, 2018 11:48 AM
To: "NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu" 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration could not be perceived:https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay. David Barrettwww.bigmanhattanyear.com


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[nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

2018-04-26 Thread David Barrett 
This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared
to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in
Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration
could not be perceived:

https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584

Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other
ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay.

David Barrett
www.bigmanhattanyear.com

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[nysbirds-l] Possible Swallow-tailed Kite, Brooklyn/Queens NYC

2018-04-26 Thread David Barrett 
This morning at 10:55 Gus Keri briefly saw and photographed what appeared
to be a raptor with a long, forked-tail over Canarsie Beach Park in
Brooklyn. View and photo were heavily backlit, into the sun, so coloration
could not be perceived:

https://twitter.com/BirdBrklyn/status/989519637820952584

Swallow-tailed Kite is one possibility and the photo may suggest some other
ones. The bird was flying east toward Jamaica Bay.

David Barrett
www.bigmanhattanyear.com

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