Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Cesar Castillo]

Dear All,
Thanks for the interest.  The two gentlemen (Simon and Tripper) who were 
birding at the same time as me, and who were the first people I showed the 
animal too also thought Kinkajou.  I also would agree that it is a Kinkajou 
from the descriptive pictures online.  The prehensile tail was the first 
feature I noticed on this animal, it really stands out.  
Quote "The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella Miller"Yes, I had pointed the animal out to the Rangers at the Refuge.  
I wasn't sure how they would ever find that again once it moved on.  Hopefully 
the traps suggested by some on the list serve would be successful.   César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario 


 On Friday, August 14, 2015 12:49 PM, Gabriel Willow 
 wrote:
   

 Yes, Paul is correct, it appears to be either a Kinkajou or Olingo (both are 
neotropical cousins of raccoons and ringtails) - notice the prehensile tail, 
which only opossums have around our parts.  Who would have one for a pet, and 
if they did, why would they toss it at a temperate wildlife refuge where it 
surely wouldn't survive the winter?
I hope someone can tempt it down with some bananas or something and send it to 
a zoo or animal rescue. 
You really never know what you'll see in NYC parks!
- Gabriel Willow



On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Nadine Scarpa  wrote:


Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to escape 
from predators. 
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo  wrote:

Hi all,
Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal pet. 
 Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.
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 César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Joseph O'Sullivan]

Have the reviewers at ebird accepted it yet?

On Friday, August 14, 2015, Mike  wrote:

> Now we know what was clogging the valve
>
> Mike
> Ridge NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Rob Jett  > wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic
> animals. Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone
> bought it in another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is
> a perfectly logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps
> a bag of figs might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…
> >
> > Good birding,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >> It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
> >> likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
> >> If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent
> history
> >> via anything living on or in it.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

Now we know what was clogging the valve

Mike
Ridge NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:

> Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
> Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it 
> in another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
> logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
> might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…
> 
> Good birding,
> 
> Rob
> 
>> It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
>> likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
>> If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
>> via anything living on or in it.
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

Just got off the phone with FWS law enforcement.  Since kinkajous are not a 
protected species, and are commonly bred in the US it was most likely not 
smuggled in.  She agrees that it most likely became too much for someone and 
they just dumped it.  Which brings me back to my assessment about people being 
cruel.
I also mentioned that I reached out to a contact at WCS, which oversees the 
various city zoos, about placing it and she agreed that it is better off in a 
zoological setting than being passed back to a breeder and possibly being 
placed in another situation that may not end with it being the hot topic on a 
Friday afternoon.  People can be cruel, but thankfully, most people, like the 
folks on this listserv, are compassionate!  
Stella MillerHuntington-Oyster Bay Audubon

 


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whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
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  From: Rob Jett 
 To: NYSBirds  
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 2:47 PM
 Subject: RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in 
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good birding,

Rob

> It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
> likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
> If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
> via anything living on or in it.
> 
> John Laver
> Manhattan, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Carol Holmes]

Would the Wildlife Conservation Society (Bronx Zoo) be of any help? Or might 
that result in more trouble than it's worth?


Carol Holmes





-Original Message-
From: Rob Jett 
To: NYSBirds 
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 2:49 pm
Subject: RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail


Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals.
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good
birding,

Rob

> It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.
Or, more
> likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow
escaped.
> If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent
history
> via anything living on or in it.
> 
> John Laver
> Manhattan,
NY

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@thecitybirder


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RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Rob Jett]

Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in 
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good birding,

Rob

> It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
> likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
> If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
> via anything living on or in it.
> 
> John Laver
> Manhattan, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

I had forgotten how close JFK is to the refuge. With all the illegal and 
otherwise exotics around, I automatically assumed he was dumped, but that is a 
very valid theory.  I will mention that to the rangers and let them know the 
importance of looking more closely into the little guy's history.  
Stella Miller 


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whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
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between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
  From: John Laver 
 To: NYS Birds  
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.  Or, more likely, 
it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.  If/when 
captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history via anything 
living on or in it.
John LaverManhattan, NY



On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike  wrote:

So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?  Mammals 
have legs, you know...




Sorry- couldn't resist.
Mike CooperRidge, LI, NY
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller  wrote:


Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella Miller 


"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
  From: Paul R Sweet 
 To: "trhindre...@gmail.com"  
Cc: Cesar Castillo ; NYSBIRDS-L 
 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.


From: Thomas Rhindress 
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress 
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
To: Paul Sweet 
Cc: Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae.Also illegal to keep in 
NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[John Laver]

It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.  Or, more
likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
via anything living on or in it.

John Laver
Manhattan, NY

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike  wrote:

> So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?
> Mammals have legs, you know...
>
>
>
>
> Sorry- couldn't resist.
>
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller 
> wrote:
>
> Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.
> Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
>
> The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.
>
> Stella Miller
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
> to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> Lovejoy
>
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> *From:* Paul R Sweet 
> *To:* "trhindre...@gmail.com" 
> *Cc:* Cesar Castillo ; NYSBIRDS-L <
> nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @
> Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail
>
> Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees.
> http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect
> Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover
> sites.
>
>
>
> From: Thomas Rhindress 
> Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress 
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
> To: Paul Sweet 
> Cc: Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L <
> nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica
> Bay East Pond Trail
>
> Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
> northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae*. *Also
> illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
> contact to attempt a capture?
>
> Tom Rhindress - Yorktown Heights, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Richard Guthrie]

Global warming.


On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike  wrote:

> So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?
> Mammals have legs, you know...
>
>
>
>
> Sorry- couldn't resist.
>
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller 
> wrote:
>
> Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.
> Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
>
> The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.
>
> Stella Miller
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
> to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> Lovejoy
>
> --
> *From:* Paul R Sweet 
> *To:* "trhindre...@gmail.com" 
> *Cc:* Cesar Castillo ; NYSBIRDS-L <
> nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @
> Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail
>
> Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees.
> http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect
> Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover
> sites.
>
>
>
> From: Thomas Rhindress 
> Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress 
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
> To: Paul Sweet 
> Cc: Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L <
> nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica
> Bay East Pond Trail
>
> Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
> northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae*. *Also
> illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
> contact to attempt a capture?
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

There is a guy in Brooklyn that runs a rescue which specializes in exotics.  I 
gave his phone number to the rangers and they also have been versed in how to 
do this themselves if need be.  Reached out to some contacts to find out about 
placing it also.  Hopefully with all this advice and interest, the kinkajou 
will be captured safely and placed in an appropriate situation. 
People that dump animals are cruel.  They could have been signing this animal's 
death warrant.  

Stella Miller 


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whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
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between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
  From: "Meredith, Leslie" 
 To: Thomas Rhindress  
Cc: Paul R Sweet ; Cesar Castillo ; 
NYSBIRDS-L  
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
An exotic animal veterinarian suggested that a breeder could be contacted as 
kinkajous are legal pets in some states (TX) and a breeder might have the skill 
and interest in rescue. Did not suggest a breeder we could contact however. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:51 PM, "Thomas Rhindress"  wrote:


Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?  Mammals 
have legs, you know...




Sorry- couldn't resist.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller  wrote:

> Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
> Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
> 
> The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
> 
> Stella Miller
>  
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
> the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
> between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
> 
> From: Paul R Sweet 
> To: "trhindre...@gmail.com"  
> Cc: Cesar Castillo ; NYSBIRDS-L 
>  
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
> East Pond Trail
> 
> Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
> http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
> Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Thomas Rhindress 
> Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress 
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
> To: Paul Sweet 
> Cc: Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
> East Pond Trail
> 
> Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and 
> northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also 
> illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact 
> to attempt a capture?
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella Miller 


"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
  From: Paul R Sweet 
 To: "trhindre...@gmail.com"  
Cc: Cesar Castillo ; NYSBIRDS-L 
 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.


From: Thomas Rhindress 
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress 
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
To: Paul Sweet 
Cc: Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae.Also illegal to keep in 
NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a capture?

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Wild. Not what I expected either, but a straight-forward ID. The prehensile 
tail rules out olingos. Bananas in a hav-a-heart or some other live trap works; 
I've helped catch them in Panama. Interesting creatures. I knew someone who had 
one. They eat mostly fruit and nectar, but they're still carnivores that have 
big canine teeth and can bite.

Kevin

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[mailto:bounce-119534824-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Paul R Sweet
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Cc: Cesar Castillo; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.

From: Thomas Rhindress mailto:trhindre...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress mailto:trhindre...@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
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mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
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Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Paul R Sweet]

Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.

From: Thomas Rhindress mailto:trhindre...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress mailto:trhindre...@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
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Cc: Cesar Castillo mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>>, NYSBIRDS-L 
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Meredith, Leslie]

An exotic animal veterinarian suggested that a breeder could be contacted as 
kinkajous are legal pets in some states (TX) and a breeder might have the skill 
and interest in rescue. Did not suggest a breeder we could contact however.

Sent from my iPhone

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Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon family Procyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?

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[Thomas Rhindress]

Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
northern South America.  Member of the raccoon family Procyonidae*. *Also
illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Gabriel Willow]

Yes, Paul is correct, it appears to be either a Kinkajou or Olingo (both are 
neotropical cousins of raccoons and ringtails) - notice the prehensile tail, 
which only opossums have around our parts.  Who would have one for a pet, and 
if they did, why would they toss it at a temperate wildlife refuge where it 
surely wouldn't survive the winter?

I hope someone can tempt it down with some bananas or something and send it to 
a zoo or animal rescue. 

You really never know what you'll see in NYC parks!

- Gabriel Willow



> On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Nadine Scarpa  
> wrote:
> 
> Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to 
> escape from predators. 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
>> blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal 
>> pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker 
>> link.
>> 
>> Escaped/Released Animal
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Escaped/Released Animal
>> View on www.flickr.com
>> Preview by Yahoo
>>  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

Kinkajou was my first though too! Not what I expected when I clicked that link!

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY

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> Looks like a Kinkajou. Bizarre!
> 
> Paul
> 
> From: Cesar Castillo 
> Reply-To: Cesar Castillo 
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L 
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East 
> Pond Trail
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
> blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal 
> pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.
> 
> Escaped/Released Animal
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Escaped/Released Animal
> View on www.flickr.com
> Preview by Yahoo
>  
>  
> César 
> 
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> y la quiso ir a coger.  
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> pluma y una flor.  
> A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
> cortan astros. Son así.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Paul R Sweet]

Looks like a Kinkajou. Bizarre!

Paul

From: Cesar Castillo mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: Cesar Castillo mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East 
Pond Trail

Hi all,

Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal pet. 
 Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.

Escaped/Released 
Animal




[image]











Escaped/Released 
Animal


View on 
www.flickr.com

Preview by Yahoo





César

Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Nadine Scarpa]

Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to
escape from predators.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of
> the blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released
> illegal pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the
> Flicker link.
>
> Escaped/Released Animal
> 
>
>
> [image: image]
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Escaped/Released Animal
> 
> View on www.flickr.com
> 
> Preview by Yahoo
>
>
> César
>
> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era
> traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.
> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una
> pluma y una flor.
> A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan
> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
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RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Rob Jett]

Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in 
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good birding,

Rob

 It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
 likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
 If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
 via anything living on or in it.
 
 John Laver
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Carol Holmes]

Would the Wildlife Conservation Society (Bronx Zoo) be of any help? Or might 
that result in more trouble than it's worth?


Carol Holmes





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To: NYSBirds NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 2:49 pm
Subject: RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail


Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals.
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good
birding,

Rob

 It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.
Or, more
 likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow
escaped.
 If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent
history
 via anything living on or in it.
 
 John Laver
 Manhattan,
NY

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@thecitybirder


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

I had forgotten how close JFK is to the refuge. With all the illegal and 
otherwise exotics around, I automatically assumed he was dumped, but that is a 
very valid theory.  I will mention that to the rangers and let them know the 
importance of looking more closely into the little guy's history.  
Stella Miller 


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between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
  From: John Laver eart...@gmail.com
 To: NYS Birds nysbirds-l@cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.  Or, more likely, 
it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.  If/when 
captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history via anything 
living on or in it.
John LaverManhattan, NY



On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike mike...@optonline.net wrote:

So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?  Mammals 
have legs, you know...




Sorry- couldn't resist.
Mike CooperRidge, LI, NY
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com wrote:


Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella Miller 


Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
  From: Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 To: trhindre...@gmail.com trhindre...@gmail.com 
Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.


From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
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To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.org
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nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae.Also illegal to keep in 
NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

Just got off the phone with FWS law enforcement.  Since kinkajous are not a 
protected species, and are commonly bred in the US it was most likely not 
smuggled in.  She agrees that it most likely became too much for someone and 
they just dumped it.  Which brings me back to my assessment about people being 
cruel.
I also mentioned that I reached out to a contact at WCS, which oversees the 
various city zoos, about placing it and she agreed that it is better off in a 
zoological setting than being passed back to a breeder and possibly being 
placed in another situation that may not end with it being the hot topic on a 
Friday afternoon.  People can be cruel, but thankfully, most people, like the 
folks on this listserv, are compassionate!  
Stella MillerHuntington-Oyster Bay Audubon

 


Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
  From: Rob Jett citybir...@earthlink.net
 To: NYSBirds NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 2:47 PM
 Subject: RE:[nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it in 
another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…

Good birding,

Rob

 It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
 likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
 If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
 via anything living on or in it.
 
 John Laver
 Manhattan, NY

http://citybirder.blogspot.com
@thecitybirder


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

Kinkajou was my first though too! Not what I expected when I clicked that link!

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org wrote:

 Looks like a Kinkajou. Bizarre!
 
 Paul
 
 From: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com
 Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM
 To: NYSBIRDS-L nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East 
 Pond Trail
 
 Hi all,
 
 Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
 blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal 
 pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.
 
 Escaped/Released Animal
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
 Escaped/Released Animal
 View on www.flickr.com
 Preview by Yahoo
  
  
 César 
 
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 y la quiso ir a coger.  
 La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
 pluma y una flor.  
 A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Stella Miller]

There is a guy in Brooklyn that runs a rescue which specializes in exotics.  I 
gave his phone number to the rangers and they also have been versed in how to 
do this themselves if need be.  Reached out to some contacts to find out about 
placing it also.  Hopefully with all this advice and interest, the kinkajou 
will be captured safely and placed in an appropriate situation. 
People that dump animals are cruel.  They could have been signing this animal's 
death warrant.  

Stella Miller 


Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
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  From: Meredith, Leslie leslie.mered...@simonandschuster.com
 To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com 
Cc: Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org; Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L nysbird...@list.cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
An exotic animal veterinarian suggested that a breeder could be contacted as 
kinkajous are legal pets in some states (TX) and a breeder might have the skill 
and interest in rescue. Did not suggest a breeder we could contact however. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com wrote:


Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Richard Guthrie]

Global warming.


On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike mike...@optonline.net wrote:

 So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?
 Mammals have legs, you know...




 Sorry- couldn't resist.

 Mike Cooper
 Ridge, LI, NY

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.
 Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.

 The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.

 Stella Miller




 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
 holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
 to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
 people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas
 Lovejoy

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 *To:* trhindre...@gmail.com trhindre...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @
 Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

 Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees.
 http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect
 Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover
 sites.



 From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
 To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica
 Bay East Pond Trail

 Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
 northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae*. *Also
 illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
 contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Paul R Sweet]

Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.

From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.commailto:trhindre...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.commailto:trhindre...@gmail.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.orgmailto:sw...@amnh.org
Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.commailto:czar3...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edumailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[John Laver]

It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK.  Or, more
likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
via anything living on or in it.

John Laver
Manhattan, NY

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mike mike...@optonline.net wrote:

 So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?
 Mammals have legs, you know...




 Sorry- couldn't resist.

 Mike Cooper
 Ridge, LI, NY

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.
 Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.

 The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.

 Stella Miller




 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
 holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
 to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
 people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas
 Lovejoy

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 *From:* Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 *To:* trhindre...@gmail.com trhindre...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @
 Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

 Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees.
 http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect
 Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover
 sites.



 From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
 To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica
 Bay East Pond Trail

 Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
 northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae*. *Also
 illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
 contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Nadine Scarpa]

Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to
escape from predators.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of
 the blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released
 illegal pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the
 Flicker link.

 Escaped/Released Animal
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/


 [image: image]
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/





 Escaped/Released Animal
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/
 View on www.flickr.com
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/
 Preview by Yahoo


 César

 Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era
 traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.
 La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una
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 A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Paul R Sweet]

Looks like a Kinkajou. Bizarre!

Paul

From: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.commailto:czar3...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.commailto:czar3...@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L nysbird...@list.cornell.edumailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East 
Pond Trail

Hi all,

Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal pet. 
 Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.

Escaped/Released 
Animalhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/




[image]https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/











Escaped/Released 
Animalhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/19949062204/in/dateposted-public/


View on 
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César

Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Thomas Rhindress]

Agree, It is a kinkajou - *Potos flavus *- native to Central America and
northern South America.  Member of the raccoon family Procyonidae*. *Also
illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website*.*  Who would one
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Meredith, Leslie]

An exotic animal veterinarian suggested that a breeder could be contacted as 
kinkajous are legal pets in some states (TX) and a breeder might have the skill 
and interest in rescue. Did not suggest a breeder we could contact however.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Thomas Rhindress 
trhindre...@gmail.commailto:trhindre...@gmail.com wrote:

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon family Procyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

So you're just going to rule out the possibility of a wild vagrant?  Mammals 
have legs, you know...




Sorry- couldn't resist.

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI, NY

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
 Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
 
 The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
 
 Stella Miller
  
 
 
 
 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
 whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread 
 the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
 between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
 
 From: Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 To: trhindre...@gmail.com trhindre...@gmail.com 
 Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
 East Pond Trail
 
 Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
 http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect 
 Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.
 
 
 
 From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
 Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
 To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
 nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
 East Pond Trail
 
 Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and 
 northern South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also 
 illegal to keep in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact 
 to attempt a capture?
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Gabriel Willow]

Yes, Paul is correct, it appears to be either a Kinkajou or Olingo (both are 
neotropical cousins of raccoons and ringtails) - notice the prehensile tail, 
which only opossums have around our parts.  Who would have one for a pet, and 
if they did, why would they toss it at a temperate wildlife refuge where it 
surely wouldn't survive the winter?

I hope someone can tempt it down with some bananas or something and send it to 
a zoo or animal rescue. 

You really never know what you'll see in NYC parks!

- Gabriel Willow



 On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Nadine Scarpa nadinescarpaho...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to 
 escape from predators. 
 
 On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
 blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal 
 pet.  Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker 
 link.
 
 Escaped/Released Animal
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
 Escaped/Released Animal
 View on www.flickr.com
 Preview by Yahoo
  
  
 César 
 
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 La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  
 una pluma y una flor.  
 A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas, 
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[Stella Miller]

Animal Care and Control would handle an escaped or dumped exotic animal.   
Unfortunately their new phone system doesn't seem to be working.
The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella Miller 


Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the 
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is 
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
  From: Paul R Sweet sw...@amnh.org
 To: trhindre...@gmail.com trhindre...@gmail.com 
Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edu 
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail
   
Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.viewtag=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.


From: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Thomas Rhindress trhindre...@gmail.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
To: Paul Sweet sw...@amnh.org
Cc: Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com, NYSBIRDS-L 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay 
East Pond Trail

Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae.Also illegal to keep in 
NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a capture?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Mike]

Now we know what was clogging the valve

Mike
Ridge NY

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On Aug 14, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Rob Jett citybir...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Unfortunately, it is legal in several states to possess wild, exotic animals. 
 Some don't even require any kind of permits. I'm guessing someone bought it 
 in another state and drove back to NYC with it. After all, NYC is a perfectly 
 logical place for a rainforest mammal to live. Amirite? Perhaps a bag of figs 
 might persuade the little guy to climb down from his tree…
 
 Good birding,
 
 Rob
 
 It may have stowed away on an airplane and arrived via JFK. Or, more
 likely, it might have been smuggled in through JFK and somehow escaped.
 If/when captured, forensics might be able to determine its recent history
 via anything living on or in it.
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Cesar Castillo]

Dear All,
Thanks for the interest.  The two gentlemen (Simon and Tripper) who were 
birding at the same time as me, and who were the first people I showed the 
animal too also thought Kinkajou.  I also would agree that it is a Kinkajou 
from the descriptive pictures online.  The prehensile tail was the first 
feature I noticed on this animal, it really stands out.  
Quote The rangers at the refuge are aware of the situation and are on it.  
Stella MillerYes, I had pointed the animal out to the Rangers at the Refuge.  
I wasn't sure how they would ever find that again once it moved on.  Hopefully 
the traps suggested by some on the list serve would be successful.   César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario 


 On Friday, August 14, 2015 12:49 PM, Gabriel Willow 
gabrielwil...@yahoo.com wrote:
   

 Yes, Paul is correct, it appears to be either a Kinkajou or Olingo (both are 
neotropical cousins of raccoons and ringtails) - notice the prehensile tail, 
which only opossums have around our parts.  Who would have one for a pet, and 
if they did, why would they toss it at a temperate wildlife refuge where it 
surely wouldn't survive the winter?
I hope someone can tempt it down with some bananas or something and send it to 
a zoo or animal rescue. 
You really never know what you'll see in NYC parks!
- Gabriel Willow



On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Nadine Scarpa nadinescarpaho...@gmail.com wrote:


Could it be a mink?  From what I understand, they sometimes use trees to escape 
from predators. 
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi all,
Yesterday I found this mammal resting at the top of trees to the left of the 
blind at Big John's Pond.  It seems to be a an escaped or released illegal pet. 
 Does anyone have any idea what it could be?  Check out the Flicker link.
Escaped/Released Animal

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 César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
A princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
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