Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach West End--Update

[Brendan Fogarty]

Bird is on the spit now with thousands of other shorebirds, Thurs 5/25 at
9:50am.

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 4:51 PM Shaibal Mitra 
wrote:

> The flock of Sanderlings, Semipalmated Sandpipers, Dunlin, and Red Knots
> with which the Curlew Sandpiper was associating took off and broke into
> multiple parts around 3:35. We tracked the CUSA as long as we could, but
> ultimately lost track of it. A number of searchers are on site and will
> likely post up-dates, especially if positive.
>
> The spectacularly intensely colored bird was found by Damon Brundage.
>
> Shai Mitra
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Yes 5PM

[Duane]

Still present at 748pm from viewing deck.  Moving around with the Dunlin.

Duane

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 5:12 PM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> Montezuma Visitor Center ( closer to the first pull out near the Rt 20
> entrance )
>
> Wilson’s Phalarope also present
>
> And many other shorebirds.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Yes 5PM

[Duane]

Still present at 748pm from viewing deck.  Moving around with the Dunlin.

Duane

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 5:12 PM Richard Guthrie 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[Andrew Baksh]

I would rather a post about a rarity even if it turns out later not to be so. I 
am sure we all learned a bit more about Dunlin and Curlew Sandpipers. Nothing 
to be embarrassed about, you made the call and handled it well regardless of 
the outcome.

Cheers,

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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> 
> I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong. Having 
> said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump, which I 
> saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight. Well if you 
> can't trust a field guide...
> 
> Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait until 
> you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some said 
> parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs; Its just 
> that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't excuse the 
> animus.
> 
> In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as 
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark, 
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> 
> A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”. Careless 
> readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the page where it 
> states that a previous instance was ultimately decided because of, wait for 
> it, the white rump!
> 
> The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained above, 
> interjects a bit of confusion.
> 
> Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I will 
> be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> 
> In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed is 
> 'Wolf' 
> 
> Arie
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[Andrew Baksh]

I would rather a post about a rarity even if it turns out later not to be so. I 
am sure we all learned a bit more about Dunlin and Curlew Sandpipers. Nothing 
to be embarrassed about, you made the call and handled it well regardless of 
the outcome.

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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> 
> I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong. Having 
> said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump, which I 
> saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight. Well if you 
> can't trust a field guide...
> 
> Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait until 
> you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some said 
> parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs; Its just 
> that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't excuse the 
> animus.
> 
> In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as 
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark, 
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> 
> A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”. Careless 
> readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the page where it 
> states that a previous instance was ultimately decided because of, wait for 
> it, the white rump!
> 
> The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained above, 
> interjects a bit of confusion.
> 
> Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I will 
> be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> 
> In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed is 
> 'Wolf' 
> 
> Arie
> 
> North Babylon, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[David Nicosia]

We all make mistakes. No worries. I found this VERY helpful in learning
more about DUNLIN and CURLEW SANDPIPERS in basic plumage.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Mike  wrote:

> I'm a fan of getting the word out and giving people a chance to see the
> bird, even if it isn't what we originally thought.
> That said, I'm kind of glad I didn't see this bird! Lol
>
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert 
> wrote:
> >
> > In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> >
> > I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong.
> Having said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump,
> which I saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight.
> Well if you can't trust a field guide...
> >
> > Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait
> until you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some
> said parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs;
> Its just that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't
> excuse the animus.
> >
> > In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark,
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> >
> > A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”.
> Careless readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the
> page where it states that a previous instance was ultimately decided
> because of, wait for it, the white rump!
> >
> > The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained
> above, interjects a bit of confusion.
> >
> > Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I
> will be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> >
> > In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed
> is 'Wolf' 
> >
> > Arie
> >
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[David Nicosia]

We all make mistakes. No worries. I found this VERY helpful in learning
more about DUNLIN and CURLEW SANDPIPERS in basic plumage.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Mike  wrote:

> I'm a fan of getting the word out and giving people a chance to see the
> bird, even if it isn't what we originally thought.
> That said, I'm kind of glad I didn't see this bird! Lol
>
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert 
> wrote:
> >
> > In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> >
> > I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong.
> Having said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump,
> which I saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight.
> Well if you can't trust a field guide...
> >
> > Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait
> until you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some
> said parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs;
> Its just that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't
> excuse the animus.
> >
> > In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark,
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> >
> > A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”.
> Careless readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the
> page where it states that a previous instance was ultimately decided
> because of, wait for it, the white rump!
> >
> > The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained
> above, interjects a bit of confusion.
> >
> > Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I
> will be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> >
> > In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed
> is 'Wolf' 
> >
> > Arie
> >
> > North Babylon, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[Mike]

I'm a fan of getting the word out and giving people a chance to see the bird, 
even if it isn't what we originally thought. 
That said, I'm kind of glad I didn't see this bird! Lol

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> 
> I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong. Having 
> said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump, which I 
> saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight. Well if you 
> can't trust a field guide...
> 
> Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait until 
> you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some said 
> parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs; Its just 
> that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't excuse the 
> animus.
> 
> In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as 
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark, 
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> 
> A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”. Careless 
> readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the page where it 
> states that a previous instance was ultimately decided because of, wait for 
> it, the white rump!
> 
> The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained above, 
> interjects a bit of confusion.
> 
> Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I will 
> be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> 
> In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed is 
> 'Wolf' 
> 
> Arie
> 
> North Babylon, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper vs Dunlin in Basic Plumage

[Mike]

I'm a fan of getting the word out and giving people a chance to see the bird, 
even if it isn't what we originally thought. 
That said, I'm kind of glad I didn't see this bird! Lol

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> In a recent post it was said “Shorebirds are not easy.”  Yep.
> 
> I’ll admit to a modicum of embarrassment at getting this ID wrong. Having 
> said so, multiple field guides refer to a field mark of white rump, which I 
> saw well, but upon which I apparently placed undeserved weight. Well if you 
> can't trust a field guide...
> 
> Of course with a potential rarity the question becomes does one wait until 
> you are > 100% certain, or do you get the info out right away. Some said 
> parse the post with caveats such as “possible” or other pull-backs; Its just 
> that at the time everyone present concurred on the ID. Doesn't excuse the 
> animus.
> 
> In other posts, the age, overall shape, and molt have been suggested as 
> taking precedence over what I heretofore felt is an 'obvious' field mark, 
> *if* seen well. Those other elements require far greater study IMHO though.
> 
> A reference web page was proffered regarding this “ID Challenge”. Careless 
> readers, perhaps including myself, might stop at the top of the page where it 
> states that a previous instance was ultimately decided because of, wait for 
> it, the white rump!
> 
> The page contains valuable information though arguably as explained above, 
> interjects a bit of confusion.
> 
> Hopefully, an actual Curlew Sandpiper will show up and more hopefully, I will 
> be the one to find it ( and correctly ID it )
> 
> In that event, be on the lookout for a posting where the species listed is 
> 'Wolf' 
> 
> Arie
> 
> North Babylon, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Steve Walter]

Okay, Andrew. I did it – put up some pictures on my web site – on the recent 
work page. The top two pictures are the bird in question. Not too much 
narrative there, as that has been done in the posts from Angus and I. Below 
that I’ve shown a series of Dunlin pictures for comparison. Most are juveniles 
in various states of molt. In the past, I may have sounded silly to most folks 
when expressing excitement over early arriving Dunlins at Jamaica Bay – but the 
result is I can do something like this. I also included a couple of Curlew 
Sandpipers, although only in obvious alternate plumage. That’s all I have and I 
really would have loved to have added a different plumage to my collection. But 
that was not to be. Still, the alternate plumage images do convey structure.

 

On the way to the recent work page, you’ll find a picture of today’s 
Yellow-headed Blackbird. I’m glad I had that bird to chase. I was going to go 
for the Bickering at Sands Point. Well, it sounds like it could be a bird. 
Sanderling, Brambling, Bickering…

 

Steve Walter  

 

http://stevewalternature.com/

 

 

 

From: Andrew Baksh [mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:43 PM
To: Steve Walter <swalte...@verizon.net>
Cc: nysbird...@list.cornell.edu; Nyc ebirds <ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

 

It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public 
viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.



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林　Quiet as the forest
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山　Steady as the mountain

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On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter <swalte...@verizon.net 
<mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> > wrote:

I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a Dunlin 
to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a white rump, 
I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in line 
with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most importantly, 
the breast is streaked with black. I don’t know of any plumage of Curlew 
Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical of a 
juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile feathers on 
the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some of the latter 
still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather in the scapulars; 
often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the longer extreme of 
Dunlin bill length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I could find a few 
others in my photo collection of the same length and curvature. The bird’s 
overall structure, including thick neck and large head, also favor Dunlin.

 

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Steve Walter]

Okay, Andrew. I did it – put up some pictures on my web site – on the recent 
work page. The top two pictures are the bird in question. Not too much 
narrative there, as that has been done in the posts from Angus and I. Below 
that I’ve shown a series of Dunlin pictures for comparison. Most are juveniles 
in various states of molt. In the past, I may have sounded silly to most folks 
when expressing excitement over early arriving Dunlins at Jamaica Bay – but the 
result is I can do something like this. I also included a couple of Curlew 
Sandpipers, although only in obvious alternate plumage. That’s all I have and I 
really would have loved to have added a different plumage to my collection. But 
that was not to be. Still, the alternate plumage images do convey structure.

 

On the way to the recent work page, you’ll find a picture of today’s 
Yellow-headed Blackbird. I’m glad I had that bird to chase. I was going to go 
for the Bickering at Sands Point. Well, it sounds like it could be a bird. 
Sanderling, Brambling, Bickering…

 

Steve Walter  

 

http://stevewalternature.com/

 

 

 

From: Andrew Baksh [mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:43 PM
To: Steve Walter 
Cc: nysbird...@list.cornell.edu; Nyc ebirds 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

 

It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public 
viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

 <http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu> Sun Tzu   
<http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War> The Art of War

 

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(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

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On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter mailto:swalte...@verizon.net> > wrote:

I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a Dunlin 
to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a white rump, 
I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in line 
with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most importantly, 
the breast is streaked with black. I don’t know of any plumage of Curlew 
Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical of a 
juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile feathers on 
the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some of the latter 
still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather in the scapulars; 
often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the longer extreme of 
Dunlin bill length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I could find a few 
others in my photo collection of the same length and curvature. The bird’s 
overall structure, including thick neck and large head, also favor Dunlin.

 

 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2 - really?

[Angus Wilson]

Looking at the photos that are included with Stacy Meyerheinrich's eBird
checklist (link below) I would suggest the observers reconsider the ID. IMO
this bird is very clearly a Dunlin, as proposed in a follow up posting by
Steve Walter.

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S39350964

Dunlins with very long and slightly decurved bills are typical of the North
American subspecies, particularly *C. a. hudsonia* ('Hudsonian Dunlin'),
which breeds in the central Canadian arctic and is the predominant migrant
through coastal NYS. Individuals are frequently mistaken for Curlew
Sandpiper, in large part because bill length is especially pronounced in
females.

When identifying shorebirds it's important to establish the age of the bird
as this influences feather details, which can be critical. This bird looks
to be transitioning into first basic plumage (i.e., first fall). Few of the
upper part feathers (scapulars, wing coverts) have pale edging as would be
expected for juvenile plumage; these edges have already abraded. The
centers of the grayer feathers have a short dark central vein, this dark
line is longer and often more prominent in Curlew Sands.

Note also the very short supercilium (a characteristic feature of Hudsonian
dunlin) which is limited to a pale arc above they eye. In Curlew Sandpiper
this usually extends further forward and behind relative to the eye.

As for the absence of dark central upper tail coverts ('white rump'), I've
always found this is exceptionally difficult to assess with accuracy in the
field. It's a negative mark, meaning you are hoping to see something that's
not there. The central line could be hidden by the way the feathers are
folded over each other. Although touted as a key mark in the field guides,
Curlew Sandpipers often have dark spots and darker feathers peaking through
so this is a very problematic field mark. Best ignored in favor of feather
details (as discussed above) and structure such as leg length.

Returning to the Jones Beach bird, the photos aren't ideal to assess
uppertail coverts. There are hints of dark but I'm not sure exactly which
feathers are involved. Certainly the images don't prove this point.

You can read more about this reoccurring ID challenge in a feature I posted
on OceanWanderers.com, many years, and many miles, ago.

http://www.oceanwanderers.com/BSmallSHorebird.html

Anyhow, sorry to  throw water on the sighting. Regardless its always
instructive to take a close, hard look at interesting birds and we should
thank Stacy for getting the photos on line so quickly.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2 - really?

[Angus Wilson]

Looking at the photos that are included with Stacy Meyerheinrich's eBird
checklist (link below) I would suggest the observers reconsider the ID. IMO
this bird is very clearly a Dunlin, as proposed in a follow up posting by
Steve Walter.

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S39350964

Dunlins with very long and slightly decurved bills are typical of the North
American subspecies, particularly *C. a. hudsonia* ('Hudsonian Dunlin'),
which breeds in the central Canadian arctic and is the predominant migrant
through coastal NYS. Individuals are frequently mistaken for Curlew
Sandpiper, in large part because bill length is especially pronounced in
females.

When identifying shorebirds it's important to establish the age of the bird
as this influences feather details, which can be critical. This bird looks
to be transitioning into first basic plumage (i.e., first fall). Few of the
upper part feathers (scapulars, wing coverts) have pale edging as would be
expected for juvenile plumage; these edges have already abraded. The
centers of the grayer feathers have a short dark central vein, this dark
line is longer and often more prominent in Curlew Sands.

Note also the very short supercilium (a characteristic feature of Hudsonian
dunlin) which is limited to a pale arc above they eye. In Curlew Sandpiper
this usually extends further forward and behind relative to the eye.

As for the absence of dark central upper tail coverts ('white rump'), I've
always found this is exceptionally difficult to assess with accuracy in the
field. It's a negative mark, meaning you are hoping to see something that's
not there. The central line could be hidden by the way the feathers are
folded over each other. Although touted as a key mark in the field guides,
Curlew Sandpipers often have dark spots and darker feathers peaking through
so this is a very problematic field mark. Best ignored in favor of feather
details (as discussed above) and structure such as leg length.

Returning to the Jones Beach bird, the photos aren't ideal to assess
uppertail coverts. There are hints of dark but I'm not sure exactly which
feathers are involved. Certainly the images don't prove this point.

You can read more about this reoccurring ID challenge in a feature I posted
on OceanWanderers.com, many years, and many miles, ago.

http://www.oceanwanderers.com/BSmallSHorebird.html

Anyhow, sorry to  throw water on the sighting. Regardless its always
instructive to take a close, hard look at interesting birds and we should
thank Stacy for getting the photos on line so quickly.

Angus Wilson
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Tyler Goldstein]

on e-bird, posted by Mr. Arie Gilbert.

Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Saturday, September 23, 2017, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public
> viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.
>
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
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>
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter  > wrote:
>
> I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a
> Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a
> white rump, I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are
> perfectly in line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late
> September. Most importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don’t
> know of any plumage of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The
> upperparts are rather typical of a juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have
> replaced most of the juvenile feathers on the back. The coverts and
> tertials are still juvenile, with some of the latter still showing some
> rufous edging. There is one rufous feather in the scapulars; often there
> will be a couple more. The bill, while on the longer extreme of Dunlin bill
> length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I could find a few others in my
> photo collection of the same length and curvature. The bird’s overall
> structure, including thick neck and large head, also favor Dunlin.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Walter
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Tyler Goldstein]

on e-bird, posted by Mr. Arie Gilbert.

Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Saturday, September 23, 2017, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public
> viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.
>
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
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> (= '.'=)
>
> (") _ (")
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
>
> Andrew Baksh
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>
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter  > wrote:
>
> I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a
> Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a
> white rump, I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are
> perfectly in line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late
> September. Most importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don’t
> know of any plumage of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The
> upperparts are rather typical of a juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have
> replaced most of the juvenile feathers on the back. The coverts and
> tertials are still juvenile, with some of the latter still showing some
> rufous edging. There is one rufous feather in the scapulars; often there
> will be a couple more. The bill, while on the longer extreme of Dunlin bill
> length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I could find a few others in my
> photo collection of the same length and curvature. The bird’s overall
> structure, including thick neck and large head, also favor Dunlin.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Walter
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Andrew Baksh]

It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public 
viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
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> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a 
> Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a white 
> rump, I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in 
> line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most 
> importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don’t know of any plumage 
> of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical 
> of a juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile 
> feathers on the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some 
> of the latter still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather 
> in the scapulars; often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the 
> longer extreme of Dunlin bill length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I 
> could find a few others in my photo collection of the same length and 
> curvature. The bird’s overall structure, including thick neck and large head, 
> also favor Dunlin.
>  
>  
> Steve Walter
> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Andrew Baksh]

It would be great if any photos of this bird be made available for public 
viewing.  Rump or no rump. Thanks in advance.


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I hate to do this – and I saw the bird in question – but it looks like a 
> Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people’s photographs showing a white 
> rump, I’ve gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in 
> line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most 
> importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don’t know of any plumage 
> of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical 
> of a juvenile’s molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile 
> feathers on the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some 
> of the latter still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather 
> in the scapulars; often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the 
> longer extreme of Dunlin bill length, doesn’t appear to be out of range. I 
> could find a few others in my photo collection of the same length and 
> curvature. The bird’s overall structure, including thick neck and large head, 
> also favor Dunlin.
>  
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Steve Walter]

I hate to do this - and I saw the bird in question - but it looks like a
Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people's photographs showing a white
rump, I've gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in
line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most
importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don't know of any plumage
of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical
of a juvenile's molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile
feathers on the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some
of the latter still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather
in the scapulars; often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the
longer extreme of Dunlin bill length, doesn't appear to be out of range. I
could find a few others in my photo collection of the same length and
curvature. The bird's overall structure, including thick neck and large
head, also favor Dunlin.

 

 

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Bayside, NY


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Re:[nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper Jones Beach we2

[Steve Walter]

I hate to do this - and I saw the bird in question - but it looks like a
Dunlin to me. While I wait to see other people's photographs showing a white
rump, I've gone over my pictures. All other characteristics are perfectly in
line with what a juvenile Dunlin might exhibit in late September. Most
importantly, the breast is streaked with black. I don't know of any plumage
of Curlew Sandpiper that would have that. The upperparts are rather typical
of a juvenile's molt. Gray feathers have replaced most of the juvenile
feathers on the back. The coverts and tertials are still juvenile, with some
of the latter still showing some rufous edging. There is one rufous feather
in the scapulars; often there will be a couple more. The bill, while on the
longer extreme of Dunlin bill length, doesn't appear to be out of range. I
could find a few others in my photo collection of the same length and
curvature. The bird's overall structure, including thick neck and large
head, also favor Dunlin.

 

 

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Bayside, NY


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Mecox -Gone?

[Anders Peltomaa]

Hi all,
Gail's hunch about the Curlew Sandpiper unfortunately, turned out to be
true. The bird was not present at Mecox today. At least not during the
morning hours when Richard Aracil, Brian Padden, David Burgh and I searched
for it. We did however bump in to its original finder, Jim Ash, which was
nice because he shared his  knowledge on local birding. During a quick stop
after Mecox we picked up a Marbled Godwit along Dune Road.

Anders Peltomaa
Manhattan
On Aug 24, 2013 7:33 PM, "Gail Benson"  wrote:

> Tom Burke and I enjoyed nice views of the Curlew Sandpiper for an hour
> during which the  Curlew took 3 flights with some peeps out towards the
> sea, each time ultimately returning to the flats. Around 7 pm, while
> watching with John Shemilt, the bird took off on its own and headed
> straight out to sea. After that we did not see it back on the flats by the
> time we left. Later  20 Cory's Shearwaters were milling about offshore. A
> Whimbrel also flew by earlier.  Gail Benson
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Mecox -Gone?

[Anders Peltomaa]

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Gail's hunch about the Curlew Sandpiper unfortunately, turned out to be
true. The bird was not present at Mecox today. At least not during the
morning hours when Richard Aracil, Brian Padden, David Burgh and I searched
for it. We did however bump in to its original finder, Jim Ash, which was
nice because he shared his  knowledge on local birding. During a quick stop
after Mecox we picked up a Marbled Godwit along Dune Road.

Anders Peltomaa
Manhattan
On Aug 24, 2013 7:33 PM, Gail Benson gbenso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom Burke and I enjoyed nice views of the Curlew Sandpiper for an hour
 during which the  Curlew took 3 flights with some peeps out towards the
 sea, each time ultimately returning to the flats. Around 7 pm, while
 watching with John Shemilt, the bird took off on its own and headed
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper - Mecox YES (8/21)

[Michael Scheibel]

Just received word that Jim Cullen & Lee Stocker had the Curlew Sandpiper
back in the usual spot on the west side of Mecox around 2:00 pm today.

Mike Scheibel
Brookhaven, NY


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

> I'm leaving Mecox Bay and the Curlew Sandpiper is still present.  The bird
> was feeding near the west edge of the main sandflat when I arrived.  At
> 9:45, it flew off and landed on the large sand island in the bay just north
> of the flats.  It continued feeding here for a bit, but had disappeared
> around the far side of the island shortly thereafter.
>
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> the appropriate permit.
>
> Good luck to those who try.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper - Mecox YES (8/21)

[Karen Fung]

John Wittenberg emailed me that the Curlew SP was on the western side
of the mudflats as of 12:08pm.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM,   wrote:
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> was feeding near the west edge of the main sandflat when I arrived.  At
> 9:45, it flew off and landed on the large sand island in the bay just north
> of the flats.  It continued feeding here for a bit, but had disappeared
> around the far side of the island shortly thereafter.
>
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> the appropriate permit.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] curlew sandpiper

[Opororniswarbler]

Yes - I saw the bird yesterday at noon. It was near the rusty metal wire at the 
far west of the flats. It was feeding actively and then stopped and went to 
sleep under the metal - so check there if you don't see it running around. 

Neil Hayward
Cambridge, MA

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Re: [nysbirds-l] curlew sandpiper

[Opororniswarbler]

Yes - I saw the bird yesterday at noon. It was near the rusty metal wire at the 
far west of the flats. It was feeding actively and then stopped and went to 
sleep under the metal - so check there if you don't see it running around. 

Neil Hayward
Cambridge, MA

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper - Mecox YES (8/21)

[Karen Fung]

John Wittenberg emailed me that the Curlew SP was on the western side
of the mudflats as of 12:08pm.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM,  mcb...@verizon.net wrote:
 I'm leaving Mecox Bay and the Curlew Sandpiper is still present.  The bird
 was feeding near the west edge of the main sandflat when I arrived.  At
 9:45, it flew off and landed on the large sand island in the bay just north
 of the flats.  It continued feeding here for a bit, but had disappeared
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper - Mecox YES (8/21)

[Michael Scheibel]

Just received word that Jim Cullen  Lee Stocker had the Curlew Sandpiper
back in the usual spot on the west side of Mecox around 2:00 pm today.

Mike Scheibel
Brookhaven, NY


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM, mcb...@verizon.net wrote:

 I'm leaving Mecox Bay and the Curlew Sandpiper is still present.  The bird
 was feeding near the west edge of the main sandflat when I arrived.  At
 9:45, it flew off and landed on the large sand island in the bay just north
 of the flats.  It continued feeding here for a bit, but had disappeared
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 PLEASE NOTE: Southampton Police are on patrol and will ticket cars without
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Cupsogue

[Anthony Collerton]

It's a good point.  I monitor a dozen lists and alerts daily - but then I'm
a bird-bum with nothing better to do ;)  So perhaps we could all remember
(and encourage all the birders we know) to include the state-wide list in
all posts, along with whatever other local, regional, text-based, etc.
lists we post on.  It's great to have a single state-wide source for the
really good birds (we're really lucky to have it).  So just a plea to copy
nysbirds on any good bird real time (don't assume people aren't interested
- and they can always hit "delete" if they aren't).  It's a great service,
we should make the most of it.

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> the dangers of not being linked in to every alert network, list, and
> database
>
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> > I may have missed this but I don't think it hit this list.  Michael
> McBrien
> > reported an adult Curlew Sandpiper on the NE side of the flats at 2:24pm
> on
> > the LIRBA Text Alert system.  No other details but I'm sure Michael will
> > post more later.  Worth checking Mecox this evening or tomorrow morning
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Cupsogue

[steve rosenthal]

the dangers of not being linked in to every alert network, list, and database

On 6/14/12, Anthony Collerton  wrote:
> I may have missed this but I don't think it hit this list.  Michael McBrien
> reported an adult Curlew Sandpiper on the NE side of the flats at 2:24pm on
> the LIRBA Text Alert system.  No other details but I'm sure Michael will
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Cupsogue

[steve rosenthal]

the dangers of not being linked in to every alert network, list, and database

On 6/14/12, Anthony Collerton icoller...@gmail.com wrote:
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 reported an adult Curlew Sandpiper on the NE side of the flats at 2:24pm on
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