Re: [ol-discuss] ISBN with X

2013-11-13 Thread Anand Chitipothu

On 12-Nov-2013, at 11:00 PM, Tom Morris wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM, xan x...@0l3.de wrote:
 What is ISBN-13 for? Until now, I always thought it extended the number of 
 possible registered books but it can’t if all of it’s extra digits are fixed. 
 
 The 979 prefix was also added, doubling the size of the available space.  The 
 other advantage to ISBN-13 is it's also the EAN, bring it into line with all 
 the other things in the world that are sold through retail channels.
  
 - Could we implement a bot which adds missing ISBN-10/13 based on the ones 
 that are there? You then wouldn’t have to bother adding both.
 
 Yes, that could be implemented.  Better yet would be to just normalize them 
 on input and store them normalized.

I think it is better to do the processing at the time of rendering the page and 
display both the ISBNs.

We already do it when indexing in the database and search engine. So if you 
search with ISBN 10 for an edition having only ISBN 13, it gets the right thing.

For example:

http://openlibrary.org/search.json?isbn=0-9844425-7-X
http://openlibrary.org/api/books?bibkeys=0-9844425-7-X

I think we should do that conversion on the fly when displaying the edition 
page.

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Re: [ol-discuss] ISBN with X

2013-11-12 Thread Luciano Ramalho
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:27 AM, xan x...@0l3.de wrote:
 Hi OL!

 I’ve come across a book which has the ISBN printed on it’s back cover. It 
 says:
 ISBN 3-518-06868-7900

 Without '900' it’s an ISBN-10 I suppose and that’s how I catalogued it.
 My guess is that '3-518-06868-7-900' would be the ISBN-13 but I’m
 not sure about that. So I wanted to ask before entering that number into
 the database. Is that a known notation for both ISBN-10 and ISBN-13
 at the same time?

'3-518-06868-7-900' is not an ISBN-13. Every ISBN-13 starts with one
of the prefixes 978 or 979.

http://www.isbn.org/about_ISBN_standard

You can validate and convert ISBN-10 to ISBN-13 here:

http://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter

Best,

Luciano



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Re: [ol-discuss] ISBN with X

2013-11-12 Thread xan
Thanks for you advice, Luciano and Karen. I’ll just ignore the '900' then.
If I understand you correctly, you can calculate the ISBN-13 easily for every 
ISBN-10. Which brings me to two question:
(- What is ISBN-13 for? Until now, I always thought it extended the number of 
possible registered books but it can’t if all of it’s extra digits are fixed. 
But that’s not a question for this list, you didn’t design it, sorry.)
- Could we implement a bot which adds missing ISBN-10/13 based on the ones that 
are there? You then wouldn’t have to bother adding both.

xan.
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Re: [ol-discuss] ISBN with X

2013-11-12 Thread Tom Morris
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM, xan x...@0l3.de wrote:

 What is ISBN-13 for? Until now, I always thought it extended the number of
 possible registered books but it can’t if all of it’s extra digits are
 fixed.


The 979 prefix was also added, doubling the size of the available space.
 The other advantage to ISBN-13 is it's also the EAN, bring it into line
with all the other things in the world that are sold through retail
channels.


 - Could we implement a bot which adds missing ISBN-10/13 based on the ones
 that are there? You then wouldn’t have to bother adding both.


Yes, that could be implemented.  Better yet would be to just normalize them
on input and store them normalized.

Tom
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