Re: [OmniOS-discuss] OmniOS & Softlayer

2016-06-17 Thread Cal Sawyer 
It should be possible to reflash a 9361 into IT mode, making it a 9300, 
non?  Shame to waste $300, though :)


In a past life, when i had a Supermicro VAR building servers for me, i 
got them to reflash the onboard LSI controller on the bench so the 
servers arrived ready to rock.


Side note: If you're working with a VAR that will do that much for you, 
also get them to populate the FRU (inventory) on the BMC with your 
system asset details.  They'll have SM's tool which makes it easy - 
doing it after the fact remotely is a pita.


regards,

Cal Sawyer | Systems Engineer | BlueBolt Ltd
15-16 Margaret Street | London W1W 8RW
+44 (0)20 7637 5575 | www.blue-bolt.com

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Gea,

Thanks for the FYI, I know all too well I should have LSI SAS HBAs but I?m 
trying to stay within the limits of what Softlayer has on the self. My current 
boxes at Softlayer I bought and shipped them the correct controllers.

Anyways I?m going to try out the JBOD mode of the 9361 to start with. I?ve 
noticed Oracle uses 9361 with some of their storage units so there might be 
hope. Currently I?m waiting on Softlayer?s build team to get approval to rip 
out the SAS expander based backplane and put in a standard SAS one so I can 
have a dual controller setup. If the 9361 fails I?ll see about the motherboard 
SATA ports in AHCI mode, hopefully that?s not too strange of a cabling request 
for them.

Any comments if I end with the SATA ports how well Intel S3700?s work on them? 
The drives they use are the good news in the setup.

-Paul

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:34:56 +0200 Guenther Alka<a...@hfg-gmuend.de>  wrote:

>The LSI megaRAID 9361 is a hardware raid controller - the wrong type for
>ZFS.
>You want a HBA controller best with a raidless IT firmware with an LSI
>2008 or 3008 chipset
>like the LSI 9207 or 9003 or Sata in AHCI mode.
>
>Your options:
>- replace the 9361 with an HBA
>
>or
>- use it as a bootdevice for ESXi and the local datastore
>- pass-through Sata in AHCI mode (enable hotplug for Sata)
>
>or
>- add an HBA
>
>Gea
>
>
>Am 15.06.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Paul Bucher:

>>I?m working on bringing up some new mission critical servers at hosting 
provider Softlayer and wondering if anyone out there also hosts at Softlayer using 
OmniOS and what they?ve used for disk HBA?s at Softlayer with OmniOS(just to make it 
more complicated I use napp-it all in one virtual machine setups). My understanding 
is the current Xeon v3 servers Softlayer is using LSI megaRAID 9361 cards in them and 
I?ve been unable to find much about running ZFS on the newer megaraid cards and I 
really don?t want to do some RAID 0 type of setup that I?ve used in the past. 
Softlayer is using Supermicro X10DRU-i+ MBs that have a bunch of SATA ports on them 
hung off the C612 chipset, I?m temped to tell them to use those ports, but I?d like 
to hear someone else?s experience with these since I now OmniOS doesn?t always play 
well with more modern kit.
>>
>>So far I?ve had great success with all in one setups in the past on 
Softlayers older generation of servers, but I?ve had to ship to Softlayer and 
convenience them to install the standard LSI HBA SAS controllers for me which has the 
downside that if a box goes down they can?t just spin me up a newer server in an hour 
or so since it requires me to buy and ship them a new disk controller.
>>
>>-Paul
>>


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] OmniOS & Softlayer

2016-06-17 Thread Guenther Alka 

Sata/AHCI 6G is fast and stable so the S3700 should work perfectly

A much faster solution in an AiO setup are NVMes like a P750, P3600 or 
P3700

but the current NVMe driver gives problems in pass-through mode under ESXi

see the discussion with Frank next to your initial mail and the ongoing 
discussion in Illumos-discuss


Gea


Am 16.06.2016 um 23:29 schrieb Paul Bucher:

Gea,

Thanks for the FYI, I know all too well I should have LSI SAS HBAs but I’m 
trying to stay within the limits of what Softlayer has on the self. My current 
boxes at Softlayer I bought and shipped them the correct controllers.

Anyways I’m going to try out the JBOD mode of the 9361 to start with. I’ve 
noticed Oracle uses 9361 with some of their storage units so there might be 
hope. Currently I’m waiting on Softlayer’s build team to get approval to rip 
out the SAS expander based backplane and put in a standard SAS one so I can 
have a dual controller setup. If the 9361 fails I’ll see about the motherboard 
SATA ports in AHCI mode, hopefully that’s not too strange of a cabling request 
for them.

Any comments if I end with the SATA ports how well Intel S3700’s work on them? 
The drives they use are the good news in the setup.

-Paul

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:34:56 +0200 Guenther Alka  wrote:

The LSI megaRAID 9361 is a hardware raid controller - the wrong type for
ZFS.
You want a HBA controller best with a raidless IT firmware with an LSI
2008 or 3008 chipset
like the LSI 9207 or 9003 or Sata in AHCI mode.

Your options:
- replace the 9361 with an HBA

or
- use it as a bootdevice for ESXi and the local datastore
- pass-through Sata in AHCI mode (enable hotplug for Sata)

or
- add an HBA

Gea


Am 15.06.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Paul Bucher:

I?m working on bringing up some new mission critical servers at hosting 
provider Softlayer and wondering if anyone out there also hosts at Softlayer 
using OmniOS and what they?ve used for disk HBA?s at Softlayer with OmniOS(just 
to make it more complicated I use napp-it all in one virtual machine setups). 
My understanding is the current Xeon v3 servers Softlayer is using LSI megaRAID 
9361 cards in them and I?ve been unable to find much about running ZFS on the 
newer megaraid cards and I really don?t want to do some RAID 0 type of setup 
that I?ve used in the past. Softlayer is using Supermicro X10DRU-i+ MBs that 
have a bunch of SATA ports on them hung off the C612 chipset, I?m temped to 
tell them to use those ports, but I?d like to hear someone else?s experience 
with these since I now OmniOS doesn?t always play well with more modern kit.

So far I?ve had great success with all in one setups in the past on Softlayers 
older generation of servers, but I?ve had to ship to Softlayer and convenience 
them to install the standard LSI HBA SAS controllers for me which has the 
downside that if a box goes down they can?t just spin me up a newer server in 
an hour or so since it requires me to buy and ship them a new disk controller.

-Paul



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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] OmniOS & Softlayer

2016-06-16 Thread Paul Bucher 
Gea,

Thanks for the FYI, I know all too well I should have LSI SAS HBAs but I’m 
trying to stay within the limits of what Softlayer has on the self. My current 
boxes at Softlayer I bought and shipped them the correct controllers.

Anyways I’m going to try out the JBOD mode of the 9361 to start with. I’ve 
noticed Oracle uses 9361 with some of their storage units so there might be 
hope. Currently I’m waiting on Softlayer’s build team to get approval to rip 
out the SAS expander based backplane and put in a standard SAS one so I can 
have a dual controller setup. If the 9361 fails I’ll see about the motherboard 
SATA ports in AHCI mode, hopefully that’s not too strange of a cabling request 
for them.

Any comments if I end with the SATA ports how well Intel S3700’s work on them? 
The drives they use are the good news in the setup.

-Paul

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:34:56 +0200 Guenther Alka  wrote:
>The LSI megaRAID 9361 is a hardware raid controller - the wrong type for 
>ZFS.
>You want a HBA controller best with a raidless IT firmware with an LSI 
>2008 or 3008 chipset
>like the LSI 9207 or 9003 or Sata in AHCI mode.
>
>Your options:
>- replace the 9361 with an HBA
>
>or
>- use it as a bootdevice for ESXi and the local datastore
>- pass-through Sata in AHCI mode (enable hotplug for Sata)
>
>or
>- add an HBA
>
>Gea
>
>
>Am 15.06.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Paul Bucher:
>> I?m working on bringing up some new mission critical servers at hosting 
>> provider Softlayer and wondering if anyone out there also hosts at Softlayer 
>> using OmniOS and what they?ve used for disk HBA?s at Softlayer with 
>> OmniOS(just to make it more complicated I use napp-it all in one virtual 
>> machine setups). My understanding is the current Xeon v3 servers Softlayer 
>> is using LSI megaRAID 9361 cards in them and I?ve been unable to find much 
>> about running ZFS on the newer megaraid cards and I really don?t want to do 
>> some RAID 0 type of setup that I?ve used in the past. Softlayer is using 
>> Supermicro X10DRU-i+ MBs that have a bunch of SATA ports on them hung off 
>> the C612 chipset, I?m temped to tell them to use those ports, but I?d like 
>> to hear someone else?s experience with these since I now OmniOS doesn?t 
>> always play well with more modern kit.
>>
>> So far I?ve had great success with all in one setups in the past on 
>> Softlayers older generation of servers, but I?ve had to ship to Softlayer 
>> and convenience them to install the standard LSI HBA SAS controllers for me 
>> which has the downside that if a box goes down they can?t just spin me up a 
>> newer server in an hour or so since it requires me to buy and ship them a 
>> new disk controller.
>>
>> -Paul
>>


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] OmniOS & Softlayer

2016-06-16 Thread Guenther Alka 
The LSI megaRAID 9361 is a hardware raid controller - the wrong type for 
ZFS.
You want a HBA controller best with a raidless IT firmware with an LSI 
2008 or 3008 chipset

like the LSI 9207 or 9003 or Sata in AHCI mode.

Your options:
- replace the 9361 with an HBA

or
- use it as a bootdevice for ESXi and the local datastore
- pass-through Sata in AHCI mode (enable hotplug for Sata)

or
- add an HBA

Gea


Am 15.06.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Paul Bucher:

I’m working on bringing up some new mission critical servers at hosting 
provider Softlayer and wondering if anyone out there also hosts at Softlayer 
using OmniOS and what they’ve used for disk HBA’s at Softlayer with OmniOS(just 
to make it more complicated I use napp-it all in one virtual machine setups). 
My understanding is the current Xeon v3 servers Softlayer is using LSI megaRAID 
9361 cards in them and I’ve been unable to find much about running ZFS on the 
newer megaraid cards and I really don’t want to do some RAID 0 type of setup 
that I’ve used in the past. Softlayer is using Supermicro X10DRU-i+ MBs that 
have a bunch of SATA ports on them hung off the C612 chipset, I’m temped to 
tell them to use those ports, but I’d like to hear someone else’s experience 
with these since I now OmniOS doesn’t always play well with more modern kit.

So far I’ve had great success with all in one setups in the past on Softlayers 
older generation of servers, but I’ve had to ship to Softlayer and convenience 
them to install the standard LSI HBA SAS controllers for me which has the 
downside that if a box goes down they can’t just spin me up a newer server in 
an hour or so since it requires me to buy and ship them a new disk controller.

-Paul



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