Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On 5/2/12 12:23 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/01/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 22:11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/01/2012 08:23 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 4/30/12 11:16 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/30/2012 12:47 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 04/30/2012 07:00 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com �wrote: snip Right now I have the DL friendly script setup to only use SF...which is setup in the old way. I don't think we'll be usign Apache for pre-build client downloads. So, I have a question -- who will be setting up the SF packs and will they just stick with the current structure on that system for DLs -- i.e. root/files/stable/version/ pack name and root/files/localized/language/version/pack name I'm hoping the answer is YES. Whatever we do, let's try to get a directory schem that works now and for AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 and for AOO 4.0, etc.. �This is not something where it will be easier to clean up later. Honestly spoken, I don't know if this will work. Of course it could be easy and fast to think about a directory structure that will work also for a AOO 5.0 release. However, I doubt that we will have the time to make the DL logic work this way, too. As I've no idea how close we are from the first public download of AOO 3.4 I wouldn't do bigger changes now. Thinking ahead, what do we do when we have a new release, like a 3.4.1? �And what can we do now to make that future less painful? The DL logic for 3.4.1 can be the same as for 3.4.0. There shouldn't be big changes. For further releases see above. Juergen is already OK to setup the structure like it was in the old project, so that the need changes to the DL logic is minimal. It seems the easiest way to go to me too. Roberto OK, I need some clarification here -- again. I am to understand by the above statements by Marcus and Roberto that the directory structure for 3.4 will be the same as it is for 3.3, but we will have a *different* structure on www.apache.org/dist? Also, OK, we just need some awareness. So -- can someone tell me what's what here. I am currently also confused. I would still prefer my proposed structure in the beginning of this thread if it is possible. That would allow us to easy add further platforms and keep the bits a little bit separated. Think about 100 languages and 5 files (including the checksum files) for each downloadable file. Maybe it will look more clean but thats not important. Normally the average user should not be pointed to a mirror to find her/his favorite file. For this we have the user-friendly and one-click-download webpages. For the former OOo release the structure was very good and also scalable for new releases and languages. And it is much easier to upload everything into a flat structure. I can't really see a flat structure in the old directory tree. One directory for each language etc. OK, maybe it was not the right wording and my thinking not correct. So, your idea is the following: root path/ooo/version/source/... root path/ooo/version/platform/... root path/ooo/version/platform/languagepacks/... It seems there is not other ASF project with releases for specific platforms *and* languages (otherwise please point me to the project), so maybe we can stick with this and divide only into platform-specifc directories. Maybe we can agree on the following structure for a AOO 3.5 release? root path/dist/incubator/ooo/version/src/... root path/dist/incubator/ooo/version/bin/platform/... why should we add a further indirection bin here? Keep it simple! Either we split in different platform directories or we can use one for all but not both. We will discuss the future structure in new thread asap to have enough time to adapt the scripts. Juergen If necessary we can provide additional files as subdirs inside the version/ directory (e.g., documentation in docs/, hotfixes in patches/, etc.). And new releases as Beta or RC can be uploaded into a new and own version/ subdirectory. BTW: The checksum files are created for every file and checksum format separately, right? Do we have to store them together with the respective files? Or is it allowed to store them in a separate directory? To have every version, platform and language in its own directory is much more complicated to handle in the DL scripts. My proposed structure used the version as start directory and than only split the platforms and the language packs but that can be dropped if it makes things easier. Then we would have a very flat structure. I would prefer to have them together with the full builds. I really don't see here a technical problem to put the already collected items (platform, lang, version, mirror...) in the right order to prepare a download url. There is indeed no technical problem. It's
Re: Introduction
Hi Giuseppe, On 01.05.2012 13:25, Giuseppe Castagno wrote: Hi there, a few words to introduce myself. My name is Giuseppe Castagno, I live in very small town near Turin, Italy. I'm 56 years old and I work as a free-lance programmer. I participated in OpenOffice.org, there I was known as beppec56 (at openoffice.org). Years back, in OpenOffice.org I implemented some stuff in the PDF export area (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=12626), among them the PDF/A export (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=59651), on Writer I added a type of document index (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=53420). I am looking forward to working with the Apache OpenOffice community. great to have you on the project. I am expecting that your future work will be as valuable as your former work. Best regards, Oliver.
[RELEASE][CODE]: new tag AOO340 and new branch AOO34
Hi, the final preparing of our 3.4 release is ongoing. As part of this I have created - a tag AOO340 based on revision 1327774 - a new branch AOO34 based on revision 1327774 Why AOO34 as branch name? We will continue fixing critical issues (including security fixes) and will update translations on this branch and will prepare releases on demand 3.4.1, 3.4.2, ... All this work will happen on this branch and we will create further tags for each future micro release on this 3.4 code base. Juergen
Re: [RELEASE][CODE]: new tag AOO340 and new branch AOO34
Cool. Shouldn't tags/branches be created before the vote, though, in the future? That way the voted artifact and SCC will be in sync, and it's clear exactly which revision the vote is happening on... Issac On 5/2/2012 10:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, the final preparing of our 3.4 release is ongoing. As part of this I have created - a tag AOO340 based on revision 1327774 - a new branch AOO34 based on revision 1327774 Why AOO34 as branch name? We will continue fixing critical issues (including security fixes) and will update translations on this branch and will prepare releases on demand 3.4.1, 3.4.2, ... All this work will happen on this branch and we will create further tags for each future micro release on this 3.4 code base. Juergen
Re: Introduction
Hi Giuseppe, Welcome back! Helen 2012/5/1 Giuseppe Castagno giuseppe.casta...@acca-esse.eu Hi there, a few words to introduce myself. My name is Giuseppe Castagno, I live in very small town near Turin, Italy. I'm 56 years old and I work as a free-lance programmer. I participated in OpenOffice.org, there I was known as beppec56 (at openoffice.org). Years back, in OpenOffice.org I implemented some stuff in the PDF export area (https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=12626https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=12626 ), among them the PDF/A export (https://issues.apache.org/** ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=59651https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=59651 ), on Writer I added a type of document index (https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=53420https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=53420 ). I am looking forward to working with the Apache OpenOffice community. -- Kind Regards, Giuseppe Castagno Acca Esse http://www.acca-esse.eu giuseppe.castagno at acca-esse.eu
Wiki post: Using ICU for more I18n functions implementation
Hi, I post a wiki document on some thoughts of using ICU for more I18n functions implementation, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Use_ICU_for_more_I18N_functions_implementation. I think the first three listed items can be implemented in late AOO versions, while the other items are long term targets or partially short term tasks. Please feel free to give any comments. Regards Zhang Jianfang
Re: [RELEASE][CODE]: new tag AOO340 and new branch AOO34
On 5/2/12 9:31 AM, Issac Goldstand wrote: Cool. Shouldn't tags/branches be created before the vote, though, in the future? That way the voted artifact and SCC will be in sync, and it's clear exactly which revision the vote is happening on... we know the revision on which the vote took place and I have created both exactly on this revision. I see no problem here the revision was clearly communicated. We can of course tag each RC but I would create the final branch only for final bits. Juergen Issac On 5/2/2012 10:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, the final preparing of our 3.4 release is ongoing. As part of this I have created - a tag AOO340 based on revision 1327774 - a new branch AOO34 based on revision 1327774 Why AOO34 as branch name? We will continue fixing critical issues (including security fixes) and will update translations on this branch and will prepare releases on demand 3.4.1, 3.4.2, ... All this work will happen on this branch and we will create further tags for each future micro release on this 3.4 code base. Juergen
Re: Wiki post: Using ICU for more I18n functions implementation
I post a wiki document on some thoughts of using ICU for more I18n functions implementation, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Use_ICU_for_more_I18N_functions_implementation. I think the first three listed items can be implemented in late AOO versions, while the other items are long term targets or partially short term tasks. Please feel free to give any comments. I like the page. The items are already sorted so the ones with the best benefit to effort ratio come first. Using ICU more is a worthwhile goal, especially as the project used to have problems with taking advantage of newer ICU versions. Integrating more tightly with ICU should eliminate these problems and we'll be able to automatically leverage its progress. Herbert
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Congratulations! and thanks for all people who worked very hard/helped on this great delivery! It's a success for this community, and a beginning of our excitement in Apache. When will we have 3.4 release formally announced/shared with others? Are there any more work left before we announce it? Helen 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Juergen, Good news to all of us! When the publish will be finished? I'd like to try the download testing with official build published. Best regards, Lily 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
Juergen, So I assume we will have 16 language packages? I need double check them then. Best regards, Lily 2012/4/27 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com Hi, to be prepared for the upcoming release I plan to use the following directory structure on https://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooohttps://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo Existing 3.3 3.3/patches 3.3/patches/cve-2012-0037/... DATE KEYS New added: 3.4.0/source 3.4.0/windows/... 3.4.0/windows/languagepacks/..**. 3.4.0/macos/... 3.4.0/macos/languagepacks/... 3.4.0/linux-x86/... 3.4.0/linux-x86/languagepacks/**... 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/... 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/**languagepacks/... 16 languages: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fr gl hu it ja nl ru pr-BR zh-CN zh-TW Do we need to prepare or adapt the download page? Juergen
Re: What do we need to do in BZ after AOO 3.4 is released?
Today, among the 100 version strings the users need to scroll through in BZ, we have AOO340-dev. What do we want after we release AOO 3.4? Add AOO340? (Or just rename AOO340-dev to AOO340?) Add AOO341-dev? Add AOO450-dev? The versions are for reporting issues against, so bugs reported from end users will usually be against officially released versions such as AOO340. With only one issue reported against AOO340-dev and that one bug still being a problem in AOO340 just renaming the old version AOO340-dev to AOO340 should fine. I took the liberty to do just that. Having bugs filed against official releases makes reproducing a problem easier because the binaries are easily available and widely used. I suggest that versions such as AOO350-dev should only be used to report problems that don't happen on released versions, e.g. if it is a regression or if it involves a new feature. This also means that we shouldn't add versions such as AOO341-dev to bugzilla as micro releases are only to fix problems in the released product and they are by definition reproducible in the released version. I sincerely hope that we can update to bugzilla =4.2 soon which has the major new feature that obsolete versions can be marked as such. Also, are there any products that can be removed or demoted to components under another product? What we have now is simpler than what we had with OOo, but it is still very complicated with a lot of dead wood at the top level. I like Regina's suggestions. Herbert
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Nice work team. On May 2, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Xia Zhao lilyzh...@gmail.com wrote: Juergen, Good news to all of us! When the publish will be finished? I'd like to try the download testing with official build published. Best regards, Lily 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On 5/2/12 11:07 AM, Xia Zhao wrote: Juergen, So I assume we will have 16 language packages? I need double check them then. exactly 16 language packs Juergen Best regards, Lily 2012/4/27 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com Hi, to be prepared for the upcoming release I plan to use the following directory structure on https://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooohttps://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo Existing 3.3 3.3/patches 3.3/patches/cve-2012-0037/... DATE KEYS New added: 3.4.0/source 3.4.0/windows/... 3.4.0/windows/languagepacks/..**. 3.4.0/macos/... 3.4.0/macos/languagepacks/... 3.4.0/linux-x86/... 3.4.0/linux-x86/languagepacks/**... 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/... 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/**languagepacks/... 16 languages: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fr gl hu it ja nl ru pr-BR zh-CN zh-TW Do we need to prepare or adapt the download page? Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Hi. 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen Congratulation! :) Best, Albino @bino28
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 5/2/12 11:03 AM, Xia Zhao wrote: Juergen, Good news to all of us! When the publish will be finished? I'd like to try the download testing with official build published. I will keep you informed Juergen Best regards, Lily 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: Need a code branch for RC
On 4/14/12 7:24 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I want to commit some features and bug fixes, but want not to do this immediately before a RC. The danger of producing regressions and problems is too high. I suggest that RC gets a branch, so that working on trunk is possible again. Kind regards Regina I have created a new AOO34 branch, development work on trunk can now continue See also http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201205.mbox/%3C4FA0E13E.4040703%40googlemail.com%3E Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Dear Jürgen, I believe I had voted a +1 at Apr 23th but not counted, thought the result will still be the same. Maybe it only count on ooo-dev list? On 2012/05/02 19:37, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 5/2/12 11:03 AM, Xia Zhao wrote: Juergen, Good news to all of us! When the publish will be finished? I'd like to try the download testing with official build published. I will keep you informed Juergen Best regards, Lily 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 5/2/12 3:57 PM, imacat wrote: Dear Jürgen, I believe I had voted a +1 at Apr 23th but not counted, thought the result will still be the same. Maybe it only count on ooo-dev list? exactly only the votes on ooo-dev were counted. The next time I will post it on ooo-dev only to avoid confusion. But we all learn at the moment how things at Apache work and we will improve over time. Juergen On 2012/05/02 19:37, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 5/2/12 11:03 AM, Xia Zhao wrote: Juergen, Good news to all of us! When the publish will be finished? I'd like to try the download testing with official build published. I will keep you informed Juergen Best regards, Lily 2012/5/2 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-** dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.**9000707%40googlemail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On May 2, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... Do you mean en-GB? .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Thanks for all of your hard work as Release Manager! Regards, Dave Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Yeah! We have an AOO 3.4 Release. Many, many people on this project have put a lot of work into this release, and they all are owed a round of thanks, but I'd like to make special note of the contribution that Juergen has made as Release Manager for our first Apache release. This was a huge learning task, to understand the various Apache procedures and rules related to podling releases, and to take the lead at putting these procedures into action in this project. Good work, Juergen, and congratulations on the AOO 3.4 release! -Rob Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Yeah! We have an AOO 3.4 Release. Many, many people on this project have put a lot of work into this release, and they all are owed a round of thanks, but I'd like to make special note of the contribution that Juergen has made as Release Manager for our first Apache release. +1(!) This was a huge learning task, to understand the various Apache procedures and rules related to podling releases, and to take the lead at putting these procedures into action in this project. Good work, Juergen, and congratulations on the AOO 3.4 release! -Rob Juergen
Re: Introduces
Welcome Luiz! I'm sure you and Claudio and other Brazilians will have alot of work to do! I hope that you can write about our news when it becomes officially public as soon as next week. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Luiz. 2012/5/1 luizheli luizh...@gmail.com Hi, I am Luiz Oliveira, a journalistfrom Brazil. I led for a time the nationwide BrOffice users group. At the time we still had a magazine[1] created to give tips on the use of OpenOffice.org suite / BrOffice, designed by my friend Claudio Filho. I helped organize some editions of the National BrOffice event held via videoconference with the participation of up to 04 countries, along with other comrades here in Brazil. I believe in the Apache OpenOffice project and want to contribute to more Brazilians know it. [1] http://wiki.broffice.org/raw-attachment/wiki/Zine/Edicoes/RB-ED017.pdf?format=raw rgds, Luiz Oliveira Welcome friend. ;) We are the list Escritório Livre [1]. 1 - www.escritoriolivre.org Best, Albino @bino28
Re: Legal question about (re)licensing
On 05/01/12 23:58, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: I think you are just trying to find some silly excuse to complain about code that *you* clearly didn't write or own. All the code either from version control or bugzilla was provided by Oracle That is not what was said in the ooo-dev list http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3CCAKQbXgCF0b8qtXkF1C_Yryx=EXfww4gX=-+vfkv15k_nnme...@mail.gmail.com%3E clearly your assumption that the SGA extend to everything that one can put his hands on does not seems supported by the document itself. At the very least there are serious doubt as to the extent the SGA cover CWSs and/or random patch from bugzilla that had not been integrated into the project prior to the grant. Ugh, well .. I did forget to mention the one key disclaimer in all this: I am NOT a lawyer. Feel free to discard all my comments. Pedro.
Universal Network Objects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I was cruising through the Wikipedia pages on OO technology and was struck by the claim on the page below [0] that UNO is licensed under the LGPL. I know it used to be, but now? Perhaps that page ought to be updated, anyway, to reflect Apache OpenOffice's work. (It also raises the interesting question: which organization is now primarily responsible for maintaining UNO?) cheers Louis [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Network_Objects
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 05/02/12 00:46, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. Special thanks to Juergen and all the people responsible for the last mile efforts. It was really a huge effort and I am glad to have participated, albeit minimally, in this release. Pedro.
OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide - Apache OpenOffice.org Wiki
Further reviewing…. This page [0]. the OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide, was last updated in Aug. 2010. It's out of date, though the actual substantial elements--how to develop OO code--are probably still relevant. However, the page (and its brethren) raise the obvious questions. 1. Can we continue to use this page for AOO? And... 2…If this has been already raised, let's move on and just update the page with new identifiers and links pointing to AOO? [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On Wednesday, 2. May 2012 at 17:02, Dave Fisher wrote: On May 2, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... Do you mean en-GB? Yes, I hope I have no real typo. Have to check it when I am at home. In the subway right now... Juergen .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Thanks for all of your hard work as Release Manager! Regards, Dave Juergen
Re: OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide - Apache OpenOffice.org Wiki
On Wednesday, 2. May 2012 at 17:54, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Further reviewing…. This page [0]. the OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide, was last updated in Aug. 2010. It's out of date, though the actual substantial elements--how to develop OO code--are probably still relevant. However, the page (and its brethren) raise the obvious questions. 1. Can we continue to use this page for AOO? And... Sure everything is still valid 2…If this has been already raised, let's move on and just update the page with new identifiers and links pointing to AOO? go ahead, simple references to AOO should be easy Juergen [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Yes, I think the entire effort here is extraordinary in the light of the struggles and stumbling-around that many podlings go through. My congratulations as well. -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 09:05 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1 On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 2012/05/03 00:04, Ross Gardler said: On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1. And thanks to Jürgen and everyone for our hard work. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. No order is required that I know of - just dpkg -i *.deb works just fine for me - well, I do install the desktop integration pieces after installing the main application, but even that could I think be done in a single command, I just don't. //drew Wolf
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Wolf 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. No order is required that I know of - just dpkg -i *.deb works just fine for me - well, I do install the desktop integration pieces after installing the main application, but even that could I think be done in a single command, I just don't. //drew Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
On Wed, 2 May 2012 12:40:03 -0400 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. Without knowing exactlky which file(s) you have downloaded, it is difficult to give precise instructions, but the normal procedure is to unpack the large download file (circa 140 MB), change to the DEBS directory and there to sudo dpkg -i *.deb then cd desktop-integration and once again sudo dpkg -i *.deb This last step sets up the links in the Office menu. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On May 2, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) Jürgen's preflight check was very important here! Marvin gave feedback, it was taken, and then we had the VOTEs! I'll be popping the cork on a bottle of bubbly to celebrate! But I think I'll wait until the announcement and the downloads are happening! Wo Hoo! Regards, Dave Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
While we're all thrilled about this, I have to ask us to keep this information to ourselves until we formally announce next week. To prematurely announce this publicy will be unhelpful to our overall goals of managing the user experience for downloading and equally important the extent to which we can look forward to positive news coverage. That said, I am very excited and thrilled that we have achieved this milestone. Fanstastic! On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On May 2, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) Jürgen's preflight check was very important here! Marvin gave feedback, it was taken, and then we had the VOTEs! I'll be popping the cork on a bottle of bubbly to celebrate! But I think I'll wait until the announcement and the downloads are happening! Wo Hoo! Regards, Dave Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 5/2/12 6:04 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) and it was a little bit surprising ;-) But i think we have listened and have incorporate feedback early and careful. And we will continue to improve our work here as a healthy project and a vibrant community. My special role as a release manger was only a tiny piece (and nothing special) of the overall work we as a *community* have achieved with this first release. I could list many names and I am sure I would forget some. So I would like to say thank you to all who helped in the last month to bring our first release on the road. I will list only some key areas where we have achieved a lot: - migration of the website, the wiki, the user forum, the extensions and template repository, bugzilla - setting up new internal wiki at Apache, new pootle server, new project web page - IP cleanup of the code - setting up build bots - preparing regular dev snapshots and final RC - great QA work - archiving older releases and not yet integrated cws - establishing a powerful mirror network with new partners - work on documentation to reflect the new name and latest changes - ... The release is only the successful crowning end of a huge huge effort and a lot of work to migrate everything from Oracle infra-structure to Apache and partners. We all know that it was not only the source code that was migrated/moved but much more and especially the way how we improved over time our collaboration on different tasks makes me very proud and I am really looking forward to continue this work with all of you. We have strong characters in the project with different communication styles but I think we should always look twice what individuals are really doing here in the project and for the project before we adjudicate on somebody. And about statements like the major part of the community have moved to... can I only laugh out loud. I felt myself always as part of the OOo community and I never have moved to somewhere else ;-) (sorry I couldn't resist) Thanks to all of you Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
2012/5/2 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com: YAY! Much thanks and applause to our release manager, Juergen and many others who made this a reality! Juergen did a incredible work studing all process and giving attention for all (i don't know from where he found time!). ;-) And congratulation for all that made possible more this step! Claudio
[DL] need help with a very odd problem on new main DL page...
Something very odd is happening with my testing of the new main DL page at:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
and I hope a new set of eyes or braincells or something can help.
If you bring up the source of the page you'll see this bit of JS code:
--
//alert (hasMirroLink: + hasMirrorLink() );
if ( hasMirrorLink() ) {
document.write( h2 + myURLlink+ Download Apache OpenOffice +
VERSION + /a/h2
+ p + myURLlink + Click to start downloading the most recent
version for
+ getPlatform(SCHEMA) + and + getLanguage() + .
+ br//p );
} else {
!-- dump SF extension --
alert(link before replacment: + LINK);
var newLINK = LINK.replace(/\/download$/,);
alert (link after replacment: + newLINK);
!-- route everybody to somplace else ??? --
document.write( h2a href=' + newLINK + ' title=' + newLINK +
'Download Apache OpenOffice/a/h2
+ pa href=' + newLINK + ' title=' + newLINK + 'Get Apache
OpenOffice for + getLanguage()
+ from a Native Language community area./a/p );
}
-
all is fine when a mirror link is found. However, when one is NOT found
here is what is happening to me (I tested with a Solaris UA setup, a
platform we are no longer supporting which ended up here):
* I get the first alert showing me a proposed downlosd link, which, due
to the former code, generates:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html/download
the trailing /download is appended for SourceForce requirement...
* the edit to ditch the trailing /download seems to work and I now
see: http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
in second alert.
* when I put my mouse OVER the now generated links, I SEE
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html, and this is what shows up
in my message area of Firefox.
But, when I click on the link, I get bounced over to:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html/download
which is of course erroneous...and I get a 404.
Any ideas on this at all??? I'm at wits end.
I am really trying to get this setup so no one gets thrown over a cliff
under any circumstance and this is a puzzle I can't seem to solve.
Thanks for any help on this. I'm off to some appointments and I'll check
back later...
--
MzK
Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there.
Release Notes: missing screenshots
Paolo is now coordinating volunteers that are translating the Release Notes into Italian, and while quickly reviewing the original document https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/aoo-34-incubating-release-candidate.html I have the impression that some paragraphs would be much clearer with a screenshot or a sample document. For example, does anyone have more information on the following items? - Further development/bug fixes for DOCX import filter (a sample DOCX to test, or a screenshot showing the progress in import would be very useful) - Enhanced chart visualization (is this backend only or user-visible? if it's the latter, is there an ODF available to test?) - Formula: Automatic baseline for Math objects (while it is well explained, again having a sample ODF file or screenshots would help, since Math isn't the most popular module) Thanks, Andrea.
Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad
I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set up a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC. Would you like to play? I am good at thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have never set up a PPA before. I have come as far as making a test PPA but I haven't added any files. Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary. -Wolf PS earlier messages below... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there. -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Thanks Rory On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Wed, 2 May 2012 12:40:03 -0400 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. Without knowing exactlky which file(s) you have downloaded, it is difficult to give precise instructions, but the normal procedure is to unpack the large download file (circa 140 MB), change to the DEBS directory and there to sudo dpkg -i *.deb then cd desktop-integration and once again sudo dpkg -i *.deb This last step sets up the links in the Office menu. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad
On 5/2/2012 11:41 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set up a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC. sign me up... I'm arist at launchpad. Also, I'll be at UDS next week, and I can poke around and see what I can learn and what help we can get. A. Would you like to play? I am good at thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have never set up a PPA before. I have come as far as making a test PPA but I haven't added any files. Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary. -Wolf PS earlier messages below... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensendrewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there.
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Hi. 2012/5/2 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com 2012/5/2 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com: YAY! Much thanks and applause to our release manager, Juergen and many others who made this a reality! Juergen did a incredible work studing all process and giving attention for all (i don't know from where he found time!). ;-) And congratulation for all that made possible more this step! Claudio I am announcing in the social networks the @apacheoobr (created by me), with the link [1]. Need requires a formal annuncious on the blog AOO (when making the article, make translatios to pt-br). :) 1 - http://va.mu/UytJ Tks. Albino
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.comwrote: Hi. 2012/5/2 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com 2012/5/2 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com: YAY! Much thanks and applause to our release manager, Juergen and many others who made this a reality! Juergen did a incredible work studing all process and giving attention for all (i don't know from where he found time!). ;-) And congratulation for all that made possible more this step! Claudio I am announcing in the social networks the @apacheoobr (created by me), with the link [1]. OK, can you please coordinate with Claudio? Timing should be next Tuesday, May 8th. thanks Need requires a formal annuncious on the blog AOO (when making the article, make translatios to pt-br). :) 1 - http://va.mu/UytJ Tks. Albino
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
Am 05/02/2012 08:54 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/2/12 12:23 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/01/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 22:11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/01/2012 08:23 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 4/30/12 11:16 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/30/2012 12:47 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 04/30/2012 07:00 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com �wrote: snip Right now I have the DL friendly script setup to only use SF...which is setup in the old way. I don't think we'll be usign Apache for pre-build client downloads. So, I have a question -- who will be setting up the SF packs and will they just stick with the current structure on that system for DLs -- i.e. root/files/stable/version/ pack name and root/files/localized/language/version/pack name I'm hoping the answer is YES. Whatever we do, let's try to get a directory schem that works now and for AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 3.5 and for AOO 4.0, etc.. �This is not something where it will be easier to clean up later. Honestly spoken, I don't know if this will work. Of course it could be easy and fast to think about a directory structure that will work also for a AOO 5.0 release. However, I doubt that we will have the time to make the DL logic work this way, too. As I've no idea how close we are from the first public download of AOO 3.4 I wouldn't do bigger changes now. Thinking ahead, what do we do when we have a new release, like a 3.4.1? �And what can we do now to make that future less painful? The DL logic for 3.4.1 can be the same as for 3.4.0. There shouldn't be big changes. For further releases see above. Juergen is already OK to setup the structure like it was in the old project, so that the need changes to the DL logic is minimal. It seems the easiest way to go to me too. Roberto OK, I need some clarification here -- again. I am to understand by the above statements by Marcus and Roberto that the directory structure for 3.4 will be the same as it is for 3.3, but we will have a *different* structure on www.apache.org/dist? Also, OK, we just need some awareness. So -- can someone tell me what's what here. I am currently also confused. I would still prefer my proposed structure in the beginning of this thread if it is possible. That would allow us to easy add further platforms and keep the bits a little bit separated. Think about 100 languages and 5 files (including the checksum files) for each downloadable file. Maybe it will look more clean but thats not important. Normally the average user should not be pointed to a mirror to find her/his favorite file. For this we have the user-friendly and one-click-download webpages. For the former OOo release the structure was very good and also scalable for new releases and languages. And it is much easier to upload everything into a flat structure. I can't really see a flat structure in the old directory tree. One directory for each language etc. OK, maybe it was not the right wording and my thinking not correct. So, your idea is the following: root path/ooo/version/source/... root path/ooo/version/platform/... root path/ooo/version/platform/languagepacks/... It seems there is not other ASF project with releases for specific platforms *and* languages (otherwise please point me to the project), so maybe we can stick with this and divide only into platform-specifc directories. Maybe we can agree on the following structure for a AOO 3.5 release? root path/dist/incubator/ooo/version/src/... root path/dist/incubator/ooo/version/bin/platform/... why should we add a further indirection bin here? Keep it simple! Either we split in different platform directories or we can use one for all but not both. Because with your initial path structure proposal I thought you want to be more Apache-compliance. Other projects have this setup. Of course we don't need to copy this. :-) We will discuss the future structure in new thread asap to have enough time to adapt the scripts. OK Marcus If necessary we can provide additional files as subdirs inside the version/ directory (e.g., documentation in docs/, hotfixes in patches/, etc.). And new releases as Beta or RC can be uploaded into a new and own version/ subdirectory. BTW: The checksum files are created for every file and checksum format separately, right? Do we have to store them together with the respective files? Or is it allowed to store them in a separate directory? To have every version, platform and language in its own directory is much more complicated to handle in the DL scripts. My proposed structure used the version as start directory and than only split the platforms and the language packs but that can be dropped if it makes things easier. Then we would have a very flat structure. I would prefer to have them together with
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Le Wed, 2 May 2012 16:37:07 -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com a écrit : Problems can occur in conflict with the libo about the desktop-integration. To install use: dpkg -i --force-all *deb I did an article in pt-br in blog WP (was in Escritório Livre [1]) : http://va.mu/UysG Best, Albino It occurs with the Ubuntu packaging of LibO. I've installed on Ubuntu (11.04 11.10) OOo/AOO and LibO from their respective websites and there is no problem (LibO default packages from Ubuntu being removed first of course). Hagar
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
Am 05/02/2012 06:00 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Wednesday, 2. May 2012 at 17:02, Dave Fisher wrote: On May 2, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... Do you mean en-GB? Yes, I hope I have no real typo. Have to check it when I am at home. In the subway right now... Juergen .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Looks good from my point of view. Thanks for all of your hard work as Release Manager! Yes, also my side big thanks for your work. Marcus
Re: Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad
You are in. The group is https://launchpad.net/~apacheopenoffice On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: On 5/2/2012 11:41 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set up a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC. sign me up... I'm arist at launchpad. Also, I'll be at UDS next week, and I can poke around and see what I can learn and what help we can get. A. Would you like to play? I am good at thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have never set up a PPA before. I have come as far as making a test PPA but I haven't added any files. Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary. -Wolf PS earlier messages below... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensendrewjensen.inbox@gmail.** com drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there. -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
I had just that issue. LO uses /usr/bin/soffice as well. Can we just change that in the integration code so it s-links to /usr/bin/aooffice, or would it be better to push that over to the Ubuntu packagers? On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.netwrote: Le Wed, 2 May 2012 16:37:07 -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com a écrit : Problems can occur in conflict with the libo about the desktop-integration. To install use: dpkg -i --force-all *deb I did an article in pt-br in blog WP (was in Escritório Livre [1]) : http://va.mu/UysG Best, Albino It occurs with the Ubuntu packaging of LibO. I've installed on Ubuntu (11.04 11.10) OOo/AOO and LibO from their respective websites and there is no problem (LibO default packages from Ubuntu being removed first of course). Hagar -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Well I have both LO and AOO running simultaneously on my system right now. Should be interesting. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.netwrote: Well, no idea but it may cause problem if other applications are set to use soffice to launch the office suite. Le Wed, 2 May 2012 16:53:15 -0400, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com a écrit : I had just that issue. LO uses /usr/bin/soffice as well. Can we just change that in the integration code so it s-links to /usr/bin/aooffice, or would it be better to push that over to the Ubuntu packagers? On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Hagar Delesthagar.delest@laposte.**nethagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le Wed, 2 May 2012 16:37:07 -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com a écrit : Problems can occur in conflict with the libo about the desktop-integration. To install use: dpkg -i --force-all *deb I did an article in pt-br in blog WP (was in Escritório Livre [1]) : http://va.mu/UysG Best, Albino It occurs with the Ubuntu packaging of LibO. I've installed on Ubuntu (11.04 11.10) OOo/AOO and LibO from their respective websites and there is no problem (LibO default packages from Ubuntu being removed first of course). Hagar -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad
Likewise, am interested: oulipo. ciao louis On 2 May 2012 16:42, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: You are in. The group is https://launchpad.net/~apacheopenoffice On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: On 5/2/2012 11:41 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set up a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC. sign me up... I'm arist at launchpad. Also, I'll be at UDS next week, and I can poke around and see what I can learn and what help we can get. A. Would you like to play? I am good at thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have never set up a PPA before. I have come as far as making a test PPA but I haven't added any files. Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary. -Wolf PS earlier messages below... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensendrewjensen.inbox@gmail.** com drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there. -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Hi. 2012/5/2 Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. 2012/5/2 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com 2012/5/2 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com: YAY! Much thanks and applause to our release manager, Juergen and many others who made this a reality! Juergen did a incredible work studing all process and giving attention for all (i don't know from where he found time!). ;-) And congratulation for all that made possible more this step! Claudio I am announcing in the social networks the @apacheoobr (created by me), with the link [1]. OK, can you please coordinate with Claudio? Timing should be next Tuesday, May 8th. thanks Yes, of course! :) Good date, May 8th. Best, Albino Need requires a formal annuncious on the blog AOO (when making the article, make translatios to pt-br). :) 1 - http://va.mu/UytJ Tks. Albino
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Hi. 2012/5/2 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net It occurs with the Ubuntu packaging of LibO. I've installed on Ubuntu (11.04 11.10) OOo/AOO and LibO from their respective websites and there is no problem (LibO default packages from Ubuntu being removed first of course). Hagar Me too. I also removed the LibO, using only the AOO. :) 2012/5/2 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com Well I have both LO and AOO running simultaneously on my system right now. Should be interesting. Good! How? You used command dpkg -i --force-all *.deb Best, Albino
Re: Release Notes: missing screenshots
Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Paolo is now coordinating volunteers that are translating the Release Notes into Italian, and while quickly reviewing the original document https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/aoo-34-incubating-release-candidate.html I have the impression that some paragraphs would be much clearer with a screenshot or a sample document. For example, does anyone have more information on the following items? - Further development/bug fixes for DOCX import filter (a sample DOCX to test, or a screenshot showing the progress in import would be very useful) - Enhanced chart visualization (is this backend only or user-visible? if it's the latter, is there an ODF available to test?) It basically means that internally the graphic objects are not exchanged using a metafile in old metafile format with integer coordinates, but primitves are used directly with all their possibilities. This removes two transformation steps and avoids losing quality, thus being faster and qualitatively better, e.g. when having charts with more than 65535 data points (the maximum for polygons in metafiles). Also positions are better due to double precision when zooming in or needing high resolutions. The main advantage is that 3d charts do not need to be visualized as bitmaps (metafiles do not know 3d at all, thus they need to be transported as bitmap), but stay in 3d geometry for visualisation. To see the advantages, try to zoom into a 3d chart in OOO3.3 and AOO3.4. This also gives enhanced printing and exports, too. One of the features which were forgotten to be mentioned in some publications recently... - Formula: Automatic baseline for Math objects (while it is well explained, again having a sample ODF file or screenshots would help, since Math isn't the most popular module) Thanks, Andrea. -- ALG
Re: Introduces
Hello Kevin, Thanks for the sweet words. What we did here in Brazil with the Journal BrOffice was a great experience for all of us because the entire production of the magazine was made by BrOffice suite (Writer and Draw). With this, we were the first to learn how to use the tool and help people with tips and tutorials. Furthermore, we did interviews with CIOs of companies that went through migrations to BrOffice/OpenOffice. I really like your idea of having the focus on the user. In my opinion, for this type of project (a magazine) work it takes a very active community. We already have the social media, local lists are being created. Do you think it possible to produce an electronic journal edited and produced using only free software and Apache OpenOffice? I think so! rgds, Luiz Oliveira Em 01-05-2012 23:47, Kevin Grignon escreveu: Welcome Luiz, Great timing. AOO3.4 is almost complete and planning is starting for upcoming releases. For my part, I've recently joined the project and will be focusing on the user experience design and product direction. Your experience and background could be of huge assistance to the UX effort moving forward. Product design is a multidisciplinary activity, and your skills and experience are really impressive. I want to transform the AOO design approach to be more oriented around people, versus technology. I want to focus the strategic planning and design direction less on features, and more on how people use AOO in the context of their lives - multi-device, cloud and social and more... Your journalism background, and familiarity with how people use AOO could really help us tell stories that describe how people will continue to use AOO in a way that compliment their lives, where the technology is complimentary to the things they like to get done. Such stories are a great tool to communicate the product vision internally, and can also be used to validate design direction direction with end users I'll be looking to re-invigorate the UX sub-community moving forward. We'd love to have your support. Thoughts? Best regards, Kevin On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:36 AM, luizheli luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am Luiz Oliveira, a journalistfrom Brazil. I led for a time the nationwide BrOffice users group. At the time we still had a magazine[1] created to give tips on the use of OpenOffice.org suite / BrOffice, designed by my friend Claudio Filho. I helped organize some editions of the National BrOffice event held via videoconference with the participation of up to 04 countries, along with other comrades here in Brazil. I believe in the Apache OpenOffice project and want to contribute to more Brazilians know it. [1] http://wiki.broffice.org/raw-attachment/wiki/Zine/Edicoes/RB-ED017.pdf?format=raw rgds, Luiz Oliveira
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On 05/02/2012 03:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Juergen Thanks again for keeping things as they were for the time being. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Hi, I installed the AOO 3.4 on all computers that have access. Where had OpenOffice.org 3.3 I decided not to move. I think the moment is to increase the installed base and begin to see if there are complaints. For my part everything is working fine. rgds Luiz Oliveira It occurs with the Ubuntu packaging of LibO. I've installed on Ubuntu (11.04 11.10) OOo/AOO and LibO from their respective websites and there is no problem (LibO default packages from Ubuntu being removed first of course). Hagar Me too. I also removed the LibO, using only the AOO. :) 2012/5/2 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com Well I have both LO and AOO running simultaneously on my system right now. Should be interesting. Good! How? You used command dpkg -i --force-all *.deb Best, Albino
Re: [DL] need help with a very odd problem on new main DL page...
On 05/02/2012 12:42 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
Hi Kay,
The prior line of code is controlling the green button's link. This
part needs to be incorporated into the hasMirrorLink if then else.
//alert (myURLlink : + myURLlink); document.write( div
class=\first button green\ id=\optionitem1\
onclick=\openItem('optionitem1',' + LINK + '); + return
false;\ );
Regards, Dave
OMG! Thank you SO much...I knew another set of eyes would do it! :)
On May 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
Something very odd is happening with my testing of the new main DL
page at:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
and I hope a new set of eyes or braincells or something can help.
If you bring up the source of the page you'll see this bit of JS
code:
--
//alert (hasMirroLink: + hasMirrorLink() ); if ( hasMirrorLink()
) { document.write( h2 + myURLlink+ Download Apache OpenOffice
+ VERSION + /a/h2 + p + myURLlink + Click to start
downloading the most recent version for + getPlatform(SCHEMA) +
and + getLanguage() + . + br//p ); } else { !-- dump SF
extension -- alert(link before replacment: + LINK); var newLINK
= LINK.replace(/\/download$/,); alert (link after replacment:
+ newLINK); !-- route everybody to somplace else ??? --
document.write( h2a href=' + newLINK + ' title=' + newLINK
+ 'Download Apache OpenOffice/a/h2 + pa href=' +
newLINK + ' title=' + newLINK + 'Get Apache OpenOffice for +
getLanguage() + from a Native Language community area./a/p
); }
-
all is fine when a mirror link is found. However, when one is NOT
found here is what is happening to me (I tested with a Solaris UA
setup, a platform we are no longer supporting which ended up
here):
* I get the first alert showing me a proposed downlosd link, which,
due to the former code, generates:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html/download
the trailing /download is appended for SourceForce
requirement...
* the edit to ditch the trailing /download seems to work and I
now see: http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
in second alert.
* when I put my mouse OVER the now generated links, I SEE
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html, and this is what
shows up in my message area of Firefox.
But, when I click on the link, I get bounced over to:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html/download
which is of course erroneous...and I get a 404.
Any ideas on this at all??? I'm at wits end.
I am really trying to get this setup so no one gets thrown over a
cliff under any circumstance and this is a puzzle I can't seem to
solve.
Thanks for any help on this. I'm off to some appointments and I'll
check back later...
--
MzK
Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a
funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis
Morissette
--
MzK
Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - Story tellers wanted
Hi. 2012/5/2 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Do you like to write and tell stories? Do you want to bring an Apple-like approach to designing our products? AOO UX could use your support. To better understand how people integrate our product into their lives, the UX sub-community is looking to author a series of stories and usage scenarios. The goal is to understand how people use AOO, and how they want it to compliment their physical and virtual realities. Thoughts? Interested? Good idea ! I have interested in writer aoo in pt-br, for future. ;) Best, Albino
Re: Introduces
Hi. 2012/5/2 luizheli luizh...@gmail.com Hello Kevin, Thanks for the sweet words. What we did here in Brazil with the Journal BrOffice was a great experience for all of us because the entire production of the magazine was made by BrOffice suite (Writer and Draw). With this, we were the first to learn how to use the tool and help people with tips and tutorials. Furthermore, we did interviews with CIOs of companies that went through migrations to BrOffice/OpenOffice. I really like your idea of having the focus on the user. In my opinion, for this type of project (a magazine) work it takes a very active community. We already have the social media, local lists are being created. Do you think it possible to produce an electronic journal edited and produced using only free software and Apache OpenOffice? I think so! rgds, I also think so. Plans of the future! :) Luiz has done and does great job. The magazine BrOffice was good, with an best content, contributors, etc. 2012/5/1 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Your experience and background could be of huge assistance to the UX effort moving forward. Product design is a multidisciplinary activity, and your skills and experience are really impressive. I want to transform the AOO design approach to be more oriented around people, versus technology. I want to focus the strategic planning and design direction less on features, and more on how people use AOO in the context of their lives - multi-device, cloud and social and more... Best regards, Kevin The focus on users is very important. Conduct research with end users, businesses to learn the use of aoo. First is the conquest with end users and experients. Best, Albino
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
Hi, Le 2 mai 12 à 18:47, drew jensen a écrit : 2. The list of what order to install all these deb packages. No order is required that I know of - just dpkg -i *.deb works just fine for me - well, I do install the desktop integration pieces after installing the main application, but even that could I think be done in a single command, I just don't. Before to enter dpkg -i *.deb I'd suggest to type : cp desktop-integration/*.deb . # don't forget the last point ! (else no menu entries ;-) Maybe you'lll have to delog yourself, to cleanup the menu cache, not sure. Regards, Eric -- qɔᴉɹə Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
On 05/02/2012 01:27 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/2/12 6:04 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 2 May 2012 16:51, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: ... I have no idea if it's common for Podlings to have a successful vote in their first attempt but I have to say this result highlights the determination and impecable work done by the group. +1 (it is not common) and it was a little bit surprising ;-) But i think we have listened and have incorporate feedback early and careful. And we will continue to improve our work here as a healthy project and a vibrant community. My special role as a release manger was only a tiny piece (and nothing special) of the overall work we as a *community* have achieved with this first release. I could list many names and I am sure I would forget some. So I would like to say thank you to all who helped in the last month to bring our first release on the road. I will list only some key areas where we have achieved a lot: - migration of the website, the wiki, the user forum, the extensions and template repository, bugzilla - setting up new internal wiki at Apache, new pootle server, new project web page - IP cleanup of the code - setting up build bots - preparing regular dev snapshots and final RC - great QA work - archiving older releases and not yet integrated cws - establishing a powerful mirror network with new partners - work on documentation to reflect the new name and latest changes - ... The release is only the successful crowning end of a huge huge effort and a lot of work to migrate everything from Oracle infra-structure to Apache and partners. We all know that it was not only the source code that was migrated/moved but much more and especially the way how we improved over time our collaboration on different tasks makes me very proud and I am really looking forward to continue this work with all of you. We have strong characters in the project with different communication styles but I think we should always look twice what individuals are really doing here in the project and for the project before we adjudicate on somebody. And about statements like the major part of the community have moved to... can I only laugh out loud. I felt myself always as part of the OOo community and I never have moved to somewhere else ;-) (sorry I couldn't resist) Thanks to all of you Juergen Very well said !!! Thanks, and congratulations to everyone !! Best regards, Carl
Re: Issue downloading
Hi Brandi, On May 2, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Brandi Cole wrote: I have tried downloading openoffice.org on 2 computers today and they both say download incomplete, issue downloading, damaged product, please contact author for a new copy. Please help. Can you tell us which website you used? Please try http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html. You can also look at http://www.openoffice.org/download/contribute.html for some pointers. Regards, Dave Brandi Sent from my iPhone
how to access aoo issue website?
hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
I posted a wiki about copy/paste in calc in OpenOffice,
Hi All, I posted a wiki about copy/paste in calc in OpenOffice, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Calc/Implementation/Calc_copy_pastehttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_support_a_VBA_API_in_OpenOffice Any feedback will be appreciated, thanks. -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
Re: how to access aoo issue website?
It seems the apache bugzilla server is down. I tried other projects and also can't connect. 2012/5/3 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com: hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: how to access aoo issue website?
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:26 +0800, Zhe Liu wrote: It seems the apache bugzilla server is down. I tried other projects and also can't connect. Working for me, here, just now. //drew 2012/5/3 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com: hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Congratulations to all and thanks to Juergen, too. But the words are not enough; what is, is use. To that end, I've used the Mac version (and also Linux, though less so) daily, and it has been great. I've also used it with Google Docs, with Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac, with Calligra (KOffice) and others. The application has not disappointed and also not crashed. (I wish I could say the same for other application I find myself using.) One other point. The release process for OOo was as efficient as it could be but also painful to many. I don't think that I've heard similar expressions of frustration and pain here. That's *great*. Cheers, Louis On 2 May 2012 01:46, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: how to access aoo issue website?
Zhao, Usually BugZilla will done one hour each day, per my checking, 3:00PM~4:00PM Beijing time. Maybe this is maintenance time, I am not sure. Best regards, Lily 2012/5/3 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
Re: how to access aoo issue website?
It works for me. $ nslookup issues.apache.org Server: 192.168.1.1 Address:192.168.1.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: issues.apache.org Address: 140.211.11.121 What IP does your DNS resolve to from your location? Regards, Dave On May 2, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Zhe Liu wrote: It seems the apache bugzilla server is down. I tried other projects and also can't connect. 2012/5/3 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com: hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: how to access aoo issue website?
Dave, It works for me now. But each day I will encountered the proxy error during the time I mentioned, 3:00PM~4:00PM, also I checked with some Germany members, they have this kind of problem and exactly the same time duration I have problems. Best regards, Lily 2012/5/3 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net It works for me. $ nslookup issues.apache.org Server: 192.168.1.1 Address:192.168.1.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: issues.apache.org Address: 140.211.11.121 What IP does your DNS resolve to from your location? Regards, Dave On May 2, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Zhe Liu wrote: It seems the apache bugzilla server is down. I tried other projects and also can't connect. 2012/5/3 shzh zhao aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com: hi, I found the aoo issue website does not work currently. was it moved to a new place? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=54281 -- * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
[PROPOSAL] Official Facebook Fan Page for AOO
I think we should have an official Facebook fan page in time for the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4. I think this is critical, since the average end user does not subscribe to mailing lists, or even use Google+ or Twitter. But almost every user, current and potential, does use Facebook. So it is our best opportunity for engaging with users. Here is the proposed page: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO I need your help in managing and running this page. I'm offering to hand total control of this page over to the PPMC. If anyone (from the PPMC) wants to be co-admin on this account, please send me an email address associated with your Facebook account. You can send this to me via private email if you prefer. So, is anyone willing to help? Also, if you are not a PPMC member, but would still like to help, this is very welcome as well, from all volunteers: 1) Like the page 2) Share the page with your friends 3) If you find interesting stories or tips related to OpenOffice, post them on our Wall 4) If you have interesting photos or stories of the history of OpenOffice, add them to our Timeline 5) Visit the page regularly and add comments to posts, and generally help with any user questions. With this page, we'll have a good set of social media accounts ready for the AOO 3.4 launch, including Google+, Twitter, Identi.ca and Xing, a Facebook group (which is different than a FB fan page), as well as a Brazilian Twitter and Indenti.ca account. Note that with Facebook every page admin is equal and even has the ability to remove other admins, including removing me. So I have absolutely no exclusive special privileges. I'm reserving nothing. I'm giving the page over entirely to the PPMC. Finally, please know that I've made every effort to get the existing OpenOffice.org FB page made available for our use. I've asked repeatedly [1][2] for this, as well as provided detailed technical steps [3] needed to make this transition. I think it was worth the effort to try to make that work, but sadly, this has failed to occur. However, we still have enough time (barely) to have a new page ready for the AOO 3.4 launch, and to promote this page and turn it into another way in which we can engage with our users in the future.So I hope I have your support. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119297 [2] http://markmail.org/message/27wxv4h2mwpahyel [3] http://markmail.org/message/p5z5o2g74qe6rl6j Regards, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Official Facebook Fan Page for AOO
On 2012/05/03 11:01, Rob Weir said: Here is the proposed page: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO I need your help in managing and running this page. I'm offering to hand total control of this page over to the PPMC. If anyone (from the PPMC) wants to be co-admin on this account, please send me an email address associated with your Facebook account. You can send this to me via private email if you prefer. So, is anyone willing to help? I would like to help. Please add me. Thank you. ^_*' https://www.facebook.com/imacat.tw -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PROPOSAL] Official Facebook Fan Page for AOO
Rob, Good stuff, sign me up. This is a great way to crowdsource. Regards, Kevin On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I think we should have an official Facebook fan page in time for the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4. I think this is critical, since the average end user does not subscribe to mailing lists, or even use Google+ or Twitter. But almost every user, current and potential, does use Facebook. So it is our best opportunity for engaging with users. Here is the proposed page: http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO I need your help in managing and running this page. I'm offering to hand total control of this page over to the PPMC. If anyone (from the PPMC) wants to be co-admin on this account, please send me an email address associated with your Facebook account. You can send this to me via private email if you prefer. So, is anyone willing to help? Also, if you are not a PPMC member, but would still like to help, this is very welcome as well, from all volunteers: 1) Like the page 2) Share the page with your friends 3) If you find interesting stories or tips related to OpenOffice, post them on our Wall 4) If you have interesting photos or stories of the history of OpenOffice, add them to our Timeline 5) Visit the page regularly and add comments to posts, and generally help with any user questions. With this page, we'll have a good set of social media accounts ready for the AOO 3.4 launch, including Google+, Twitter, Identi.ca and Xing, a Facebook group (which is different than a FB fan page), as well as a Brazilian Twitter and Indenti.ca account. Note that with Facebook every page admin is equal and even has the ability to remove other admins, including removing me. So I have absolutely no exclusive special privileges. I'm reserving nothing. I'm giving the page over entirely to the PPMC. Finally, please know that I've made every effort to get the existing OpenOffice.org FB page made available for our use. I've asked repeatedly [1][2] for this, as well as provided detailed technical steps [3] needed to make this transition. I think it was worth the effort to try to make that work, but sadly, this has failed to occur. However, we still have enough time (barely) to have a new page ready for the AOO 3.4 launch, and to promote this page and turn it into another way in which we can engage with our users in the future.So I hope I have your support. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119297 [2] http://markmail.org/message/27wxv4h2mwpahyel [3] http://markmail.org/message/p5z5o2g74qe6rl6j Regards, -Rob
Re: Is there a AOO repo for ubuntu?
On Thursday, 3. May 2012 at 00:01, eric b wrote: Hi, Le 2 mai 12 à 22:53, Wolf Halton a écrit : I had just that issue. LO uses /usr/bin/soffice as well. Not very kind :-/ well we used it since many years and people will expect that OpenOffice will start. Let us wait what happens when users complain. We can of course create a further link aoo, aooffice, apacheoo or apacheopenoffice. But I would like to keep soffice as well because it is used in many places. Can we just change that in the integration code so it s-links to / usr/bin/aooffice, or would it be better to push that over to the Ubuntu packagers? No idea about the packagers. What I know, is that change all soffice inside the $INSTALL_DIR/program is difficult, but change the shell name calling it is easy. That's even what I did with OOo4Kids and OOoLight. For that, I created OOo4Kids.sh, located in sysui/desktop/ share, and containing: -8 #!/bin/sh exec /%PREFIX/program/soffice $@ -8 PREFIX contains the install path, and you can rename it ApacheOffice.sh, or whatever name, of course. Next step : the code to be modified stands in sysui/dekstop/share/ create_tree.sh file + some little things in the makefile and in the Debian control file maybe. Of course, if you need, you can reuse what I did in OOo4Kids and I'll relicense it under Apache License. We should analyze careful what we change or have to change. But right now I am not willing to change anythings that belongs to OpenOffice and is taken by others. Juergen My 2 cts Eric -- qɔᴉɹə Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
On 05/02/2012 04:29 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi All, I post a wiki about how to support a VBA API in OpenOffice, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_support_a_VBA_API_in_OpenOffice Any feedback will be appreciated, thanks. I am almost embarrassed to say this, but after having read it, I have no idea what the article is about. I think that the problem is that I lack the proper vocabulary. For example, when I see VBA, I think Visual Basic Applications, which is something that MSO (Microsoft Office) supports, and not OOo (OpenOffice.org). Is this an article related to the VBA compatibility mode stuff that can be enabled using a specific Option from inside of StarBasic? After I have a handle on exactly what is accomplished, then I will read this again, since it looks like you are probably answering some very specific questions that I have in areas that I do not fully understand, but have searched for in the past. Sorry for my lack of immediate understanding. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed directory structure on dist
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/02/2012 03:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, to sum up this longer thread and the structure how I will upload the bits Source release reflecting a future directory structure already: .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.bz2 .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.tar.gz .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/aoo-3.4.0-incubating-src.zip .../incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/... Binary releases keeping the old structure: .../incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ar/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/cs/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/en-BG/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/es/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/fr/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/gl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/hu/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/it/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ja/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/nl/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/pt-BR/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/ru/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-CN/3.4.0/... .../incubator/ooo/files/localized/zh-TW/3.4.0/... The directories will include all files (including the checksum files) for all platforms and the language packs. The SDK is available in en-US only and o only in ...files/stable Juergen Thanks again for keeping things as they were for the time being. Hi all, We've loaded the current files, please let us know when youupload more files, so that we can update the rest in a timely manner. Please note that the 3.4.0 folder is staged on sourceforge, which means that directly links to files in it will work, but visitors browsing the files will not see them. By the way, is someone coordinating with MirrorBrain maintainers to manage updates to serve the Look for updates function? Roberto -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
One wiki about AL posted.
Hi All, I just post a wiki about asynchronous loading in symphony, the link is below, FYI. Any other questions about AL, pls feel free to let me know. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/An_introduction_to_Asynchronous_loading_in_Symphony Thanks.
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
On May 2, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 05/02/2012 04:29 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi All, I post a wiki about how to support a VBA API in OpenOffice, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_support_a_VBA_API_in_OpenOffice Any feedback will be appreciated, thanks. I am almost embarrassed to say this, but after having read it, I have no idea what the article is about. I think that the problem is that I lack the proper vocabulary. For example, when I see VBA, I think Visual Basic Applications, which is something that MSO (Microsoft Office) supports, and not OOo (OpenOffice.org). Is this an article related to the VBA compatibility mode stuff that can be enabled using a specific Option from inside of StarBasic? After I have a handle on exactly what is accomplished, then I will read this again, since it looks like you are probably answering some very specific questions that I have in areas that I do not fully understand, but have searched for in the past. Sorry for my lack of immediate understanding. I'm not sure what I am reading either. My reference is using Apache POI and its User Defined Function (UDF) capability to rewrite a VBA function in Java. This allows me to have a different implementation of a VBA function that is not in a Basic derivative. Whether that works or not depends on whether I can accurately code the VBA in Java. This is not easy. I think that this API may be more about UDF support than VBA support. To me VBA support means that I can run my MS Office VBAs in the program without any trouble. Still, UDF support is useful. VBA support is a panacea. What's it all about Peng? Regards, Dave -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
Hi, Andrew, I think the article is about VBA Macros interoperability http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/VBA . It explains the details if you want to hack OO for more excel macros support. Currently there are still many VBA apis not supported in OO, although the support framework has been implemented. 2012/5/3 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org On 05/02/2012 04:29 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi All, I post a wiki about how to support a VBA API in OpenOffice, http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_**support_a_VBA_API_in_ **OpenOfficehttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_support_a_VBA_API_in_OpenOffice Any feedback will be appreciated, thanks. I am almost embarrassed to say this, but after having read it, I have no idea what the article is about. I think that the problem is that I lack the proper vocabulary. For example, when I see VBA, I think Visual Basic Applications, which is something that MSO (Microsoft Office) supports, and not OOo (OpenOffice.org). Is this an article related to the VBA compatibility mode stuff that can be enabled using a specific Option from inside of StarBasic? After I have a handle on exactly what is accomplished, then I will read this again, since it looks like you are probably answering some very specific questions that I have in areas that I do not fully understand, but have searched for in the past. Sorry for my lack of immediate understanding. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
