Re: Request bugzilla privilege
I remember Rob should have this kind of authority, Rob, can you help on that? Best regards, Lily 2012/6/8 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com I found some duplicated defect in bugzilla and want to change stauts to Duplicate, but have no privilege to do that. Could somebody grants me the rights? Thanks in advanced -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: Request bugzilla privilege
On 08.06.2012 06:07, Ji Yan wrote: I found some duplicated defect in bugzilla and want to change stauts to Duplicate, but have no privilege to do that. Could somebody grants me the rights? Thanks in advanced I'm sure nobody will object that I added you to the edit-bugs group when he checked your many very good QA contributions in http://s.apache.org/ODg for yanji...@gmail.com . Herbert
Re: [Call-for-Review]patch for bug 119829.
Hi, On 07.06.2012 04:24, jane kang wrote: I have fixed bug 119829show_bug.cgi?id=119829. Issue detail info pls refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119829. Patch infor pls refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78078.Thanks. This user interface enhancement is a good one from my perspective. As Yong Lin Ma suggested a review from UX makes sense here. I think that certain help and documentation content should be added to this enhancement. I am volunteering to have a look at the applied patch from the developer point of view. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
I did a search in Bugzilla. This kind of memory leak has been reported many times. It seems this issue has long history and nobody resolves it. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=memory%20leaklist_id=13129 2012/6/8 Xia Zhao lilyzh...@gmail.com: Zhe, Thanks a lot for long run testing, no matter AOO/OOo did this kind of testing before(for AOO3.4, the answer is No), would you please raise defect in BugZilla to track this memory leak issue? Thanks a lot. Best regards, Lily 2012/6/8 Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com Hi all, This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow. My scenario is 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing. 2. Input some simple text in it. 3. Save and then reopen it. 4. Repeat the above steps. I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before? -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from other Apache projects. Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that merit is earned. The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an open development project is bad. Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life. As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new class of community member to bring them into the ASF. I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default policies say they need to be committees and address that issue. For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail. Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jun 7, 2012 11:30 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: ... I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle currently requires committership, which results in translators having having to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The board needs to decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where new users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined with an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer. But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all. Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we can reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them on a fast-track. I agree that the limitation suboptimal. I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel able to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution. I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate action to address things like that ;-) Careful with the I - madness lies that way ;-) This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding. It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to proceed I'm sure others will help guide you. I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-) Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term Apache contributor where users can register for an user account by accepting that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc. The contributor role at Apache already handles this. A contributor can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki, contribute documentation, etc. What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in SVN. So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including translations. I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for contributors to add translations to Pootle. I can see the justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle. But the anonymous part of this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal standpoint. For example, those who
Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category
My question is is it necessary. See my overlapping post. Essentially, why is it perceived that an iCLA is needed for initial contributions via Pootle. Aren't they roughly equivalent to patches via bugzilla? Shouldn't we be working on the workflow to ensure contribution is as easy as possible? Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jun 8, 2012 12:08 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: +1 on this discussion so far. I was skeptical but I favor how this is going. Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no. - Dennis PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be visible. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: ... I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle currently requires committership, which results in translators having having to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The board needs to decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where new users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined with an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer. But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all. Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we can reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them on a fast-track. I agree that the limitation suboptimal. I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel able to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution. I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate action to address things like that ;-) Careful with the I - madness lies that way ;-) This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding. It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to proceed I'm sure others will help guide you. I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-) Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term Apache contributor where users can register for an user account by accepting that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc. The contributor role at Apache already handles this. A contributor can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki, contribute documentation, etc. What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in SVN. So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including translations. I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for contributors to add translations to Pootle. I can see the justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle. But the anonymous part of this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal standpoint. For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their contributions marked as being from nobody in the UI: https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/ Isn't that rather insulting? [reposted since I didn't see this topic change] yes, it is...I thought Juergen was suggesting that some special submission access if you will be granted to the Pootle server. As in we would like to be able to allow people with an iCLA on file to register for access to the pootle server. We can call these people invited translators Should we add a
Re: [Call-for-Review] Bug 119478 (Number formating are changed after save and reopen it again)
On 08.06.2012 06:40, Steve Yin wrote: Hi all, The fix for bug 119907 is ready. Here is the link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119907 Could you please to review it? I will do that, but I need some more information. Please see comment in issue. -Andre Thanks.
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
On 6/8/12 5:07 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: I add one: Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Maintenance page always pops up and ask me to repair or remove it， even though vc++ 2010 redistributable pack has been installed. I prefer directly skipping the page when it's installed. I noticed this as well, you get asked every time when you you install under Windows. Very annoying Juergen 2012/6/7 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: Hi All, Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some others experiences. Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and Laptop. 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes. 2. Unpack . -- Time: 1 minute. 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes. 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done! It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals! I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all minor): a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should have 'Apache Software Foundation' as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows 'OpenOffice.org' as the Publisher. b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder. c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this should change to 'openoffice3' d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word Documents' ticked by default, as per other email threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the screen during install so it can be ticked easily. e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main 'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ?? That's it. Gav...
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
On 6/8/12 4:06 AM, zhangjf wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 4:57 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: Hi All, Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some others experiences. Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and Laptop. 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes. 2. Unpack . -- Time: 1 minute. 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes. 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done! It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals! I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all minor): a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should have 'Apache Software Foundation' as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows 'OpenOffice.org' as the Publisher. agree, it should already fine for the Linux packages. We have to find the correct place but it shouldn't be a problem when when we know for what we are looking ;-) Please submit an issue for that I remember the unknown publisher message is caused by lacking signature in the msi install package, it should get signed with an official certification by the signtool or signcode utility from Windows SDK. If you have the certification, this step can be done after the msi packages are generated separately and if possible, it can be integrated as one step in the build procedure. good to know that signing solve it. One more reason why we need a certificate. Juergen b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder. c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this should change to 'openoffice3' at the moment we decided to keep the former name to emphasize that we are OpenOffice. In the future we can think about OpenOfifce 4. The CamelCase with space notation is by design because that is how it is done on windows. d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word Documents' ticked by default, as per other email threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the screen during install so it can be ticked easily. without deeper analysis of a the appropriate default that satisfies most of our users I wouldn't change it e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main 'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ?? I have no preference here, maybe it's sorted automatically I don't know Thanks for your feedback Juergen
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
If you search the closed bug list, you may also find many fixed memory leak bugs. Memory leak is a kind of bugs but not a single straightforward problem. The used memory size increase usually is a combined result of many leaks for AOO. It needs many effort to identify the conditions to show different leaks, find their root cause and fix solution. I think it is a long term task along with the code base changes. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: I did a search in Bugzilla. This kind of memory leak has been reported many times. It seems this issue has long history and nobody resolves it. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=memory%20leaklist_id=13129 2012/6/8 Xia Zhao lilyzh...@gmail.com: Zhe, Thanks a lot for long run testing, no matter AOO/OOo did this kind of testing before(for AOO3.4, the answer is No), would you please raise defect in BugZilla to track this memory leak issue? Thanks a lot. Best regards, Lily 2012/6/8 Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com Hi all, This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow. My scenario is 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing. 2. Input some simple text in it. 3. Save and then reopen it. 4. Repeat the above steps. I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before? -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
Is there some tools to track memory allocation? I can combine it with GUI testing. So we can gather the detail clue. 2012/6/8 zhangjf zhan...@apache.org: If you search the closed bug list, you may also find many fixed memory leak bugs. Memory leak is a kind of bugs but not a single straightforward problem. The used memory size increase usually is a combined result of many leaks for AOO. It needs many effort to identify the conditions to show different leaks, find their root cause and fix solution. I think it is a long term task along with the code base changes. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: I did a search in Bugzilla. This kind of memory leak has been reported many times. It seems this issue has long history and nobody resolves it. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=memory%20leaklist_id=13129 2012/6/8 Xia Zhao lilyzh...@gmail.com: Zhe, Thanks a lot for long run testing, no matter AOO/OOo did this kind of testing before(for AOO3.4, the answer is No), would you please raise defect in BugZilla to track this memory leak issue? Thanks a lot. Best regards, Lily 2012/6/8 Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com Hi all, This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow. My scenario is 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing. 2. Input some simple text in it. 3. Save and then reopen it. 4. Repeat the above steps. I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before? -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: Query of DefectNeedReview - Re: [call for review] Issue 111609 ODFF implement missing imaginary functions
On 6/8/12 8:08 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote: I created a query called DefectNeedReview . If people can upload the patch attachment with (1) the type to be set to Patch, and (2) Flag of Review to ?, then my query can list the defect out. Try it! :) Thanks Simon, it lists currently 9 issues to me. I will take care of some of them (119653, 119912, 119629, 119662, 119889) today in parallel to prepare a Windows 8 VM for future work and testing. Juergen - Simon 2012/6/7 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/7/12 1:11 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, please review the patch attached to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111609 Is such a mail as this necessary? Or will a review request already be noticed, when I set the flag in the issue? no special sign on the issues mailing list, just that somebody has add or changed something. So it's probably a good idea to drop a short email like this one here on the list to raise some awareness. Juergen
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
Agree, maybe we can create memory leak improvement related features in next major release. 2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 08.06.2012 03:43, Zhe Liu wrote: Hi all, This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow. My scenario is 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/**Presentation/Drawing. 2. Input some simple text in it. 3. Save and then reopen it. 4. Repeat the above steps. I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before? As far as I know we did not had such kind of tests for AOO 3.4. When I am remembering it correct there are certain efforts regarding memory leaks in the past for former versions - may be some documentation on it will be found in the wiki (the MediaWiki one). In order to solve this area I see it more sa little project than just a fix for a single issue. As you can see from the issue query, posted by Zhe Liu, there seems to be problems in different areas of our project. just my 2 cents, Oliver. -- Best Regards, Lily If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem
Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
On 08.06.2012 08:58, Ross Gardler wrote: [...] If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that merit is earned. I totally agree and that is exactly why I am concerned about the fast-tracking of committership for procedural reasons and not for merit. I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default policies say they need to be committees and address that issue. For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail. In JIRA or Bugzilla one doesn't have to be a committer to attach a patch but one has to be logged in. If there were a similar role in https://cwiki.apache.org/INFRA/translate-pootle-service-auth-levels.html there would be no problem. Herbert
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
On 08.06.2012 09:36, Zhe Liu wrote: Is there some tools to track memory allocation? I can combine it with GUI testing. So we can gather the detail clue. For your case maybe using Rational Purify could be an interesting option. I personally love valgrind+memcheck too. Herbert
Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
On 6/8/12 8:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from other Apache projects. Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that merit is earned. The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an open development project is bad. Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life. As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new class of community member to bring them into the ASF. I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default policies say they need to be committees and address that issue. For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail. I agree and Rob pointed already out that we have something like that (what I have proposed) already. In case of Pootle contributions we simply need an open user registration to solve the unknown issue i some way. Pootle allow us to define default rights for users and when we define that translation can be seen or compared with patches it sounds like a good step forward. My idea was mainly that we think about some formalization of this special user registration. Independent of registering for bugzilla, the wiki or Pootle, the user have to agree to contribute everything under ALv2. Sorry for the confusion Juergen Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jun 7, 2012 11:30 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: ... I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle currently requires committership, which results in translators having having to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The board needs to decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where new users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined with an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer. But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all. Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we can reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them on a fast-track. I agree that the limitation suboptimal. I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel able to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution. I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate action to address things like that ;-) Careful with the I - madness lies that way ;-) This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding. It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to proceed I'm sure others will help guide you. I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-) Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term Apache contributor where users can register for an user account by accepting that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc. The contributor role at Apache already handles this. A contributor can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki, contribute
Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003
Thanks for everyone. I will use Description for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple lines which are supported by Description other than Title. I have tried with Title, multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after import. 2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi Jianyuan Li, On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote: Hi, All, In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named alt text. But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar like it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be exported. So on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value will be shown. There is a bug related to it: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119659 To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And then export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text? There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape. alt text sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator, maybe also a good candidate to add something useful. HTH! Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category
On 6/8/12 9:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: My question is is it necessary. See my overlapping post. Essentially, why is it perceived that an iCLA is needed for initial contributions via Pootle. Aren't they roughly equivalent to patches via bugzilla? Shouldn't we be working on the workflow to ensure contribution is as easy as possible? +1, easy as possible is key here because we want to attract as much as possible volunteers. Juergen Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jun 8, 2012 12:08 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: +1 on this discussion so far. I was skeptical but I favor how this is going. Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no. - Dennis PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be visible. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: ... I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle currently requires committership, which results in translators having having to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The board needs to decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where new users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined with an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer. But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all. Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we can reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them on a fast-track. I agree that the limitation suboptimal. I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel able to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution. I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate action to address things like that ;-) Careful with the I - madness lies that way ;-) This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding. It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to proceed I'm sure others will help guide you. I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-) Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term Apache contributor where users can register for an user account by accepting that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc. The contributor role at Apache already handles this. A contributor can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki, contribute documentation, etc. What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in SVN. So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including translations. I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for contributors to add translations to Pootle. I can see the justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle. But the anonymous part of this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal standpoint. For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their contributions marked as being from nobody in the UI: https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/ Isn't that rather insulting? [reposted since I didn't see this topic change] yes, it is...I thought Juergen was suggesting that some special submission access if you will be granted to the Pootle server. As in we would like to be able to allow people with an iCLA on file to register for access to the pootle server. We can call these people
Re: [UX]A bit of brainstorming on the forums
On 08.06.2012 04:39, Clarence GUO wrote: Hi~ What's the language of the forum link http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76;? I opened the link and the language looks like Germany. Not german, looks spanish. That would match the /es/ part in the URL. -Andre 2012/6/7 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com At the ES forums we started a small experiment: a section(1) to present and discuss ideas about the program. This experiment can be viewed as a first run were people can share their ideas and interact with others to see if it is a good idea (or not) and express it the best possible way. The goal is to arrive to a valid enhancement request. Let's see what happens. If the experiment makes sense, maybe we can start thinking of a way to extend it. Regards Ricardo (1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76
Re: [call for review] Issue 111609 ODFF implement missing imaginary functions
Hi Regina, I haven't tested the patch but have reviewed it and for me it looks good and I assume you have already built and tested it completely. I think you can commit in trunk, nice work by the way Juergen On 6/7/12 11:55 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/7/12 1:11 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, please review the patch attached to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111609 Is such a mail as this necessary? Or will a review request already be noticed, when I set the flag in the issue? no special sign on the issues mailing list, just that somebody has add or changed something. So it's probably a good idea to drop a short email like this one here on the list to raise some awareness. Juergen
Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer Wittmannorwittm...@googlemail.com
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
Hi, All,
There is an attribute for anchored objects named Layout In Table Cell
property in MS Word.
WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
puzzled that there are two hex magic number
0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483. From the
discussion in issue
84783https://issues.apache.**org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783
**, I can see that
these
number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
sure
whether both number indicate that
Layout in table cell is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
found
more details. So I post this mail
to see if I could get any sort of advice.
I am the author of the corresponding
methodSwWW8ImplReader::**IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
containing the above magic number interpretation. As far as I remember
the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
been made with issue 98037.
As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
magic number was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.
I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue seems
to be related to my implemetation in methodSwWW8ImplReader::**
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)**.
I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
results.
Hi, Oliver,
Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
indicate
whether the Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.
However, when use nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 to determine the
property. Both 0x80008000 or 0x8000 can set the
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.
Do the two hex number represent same meaning?
No, I do not think so.
My implementation of the conditions in method
SwWW8ImplReader::IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..) is wrong I think.
It must must be:
if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value given
nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
^^
( nLayoutInTableCell 0x0200
!(nLayoutInTableCell 0x8000 ) ) )
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
}
else
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
}
Testing nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 in the second condition does not make
sense regarding the third condition.
The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get the
horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method
SwWW8ImplReader::IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..) the following code found in
method SwWW8ImplReader::ProcessEscherAlign(..) will apply:
// -- OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
// a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
// has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
// convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
// -- OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method IsObjectLayoutInTableCell()
if ( nInTable
( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR )
pFSPA-nwr == 3
// pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
!IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell ) )
{
eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_PRINT_AREA;
}
// --
I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue
119624.
But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word
document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003
I suggest you log this discussion into the bug as comments too. Although this mail list will be archived too, it is helpful to find all it's related background and technical info in one single place. zhangjf On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jianyuan Li lijianyuan1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for everyone. I will use Description for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple lines which are supported by Description other than Title. I have tried with Title, multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after import. 2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi Jianyuan Li, On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote: Hi, All, In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named alt text. But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar like it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be exported. So on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value will be shown. There is a bug related to it: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119659 To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And then export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text? There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape. alt text sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator, maybe also a good candidate to add something useful. HTH! Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
[Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you!
Re: .ppt file contain a special shape export crash
Hi, Ying From my point of view, draw formula ?f0 should specify an equation, and be used to evaluate a value. ODF specification documentation would help you confirm the problem. Actually I'm just curious how this abnormal shape can be reproduced :) 2012/6/7 ying sun sunyingshade...@gmail.com Hi All, I'm checking the bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119502, and find this problem is caused by that the shape named *'customshape3'* has the path *M ?f0 ?f0 L ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 Z N *which contain parameter * ?f0, *but *?f0 *has not been defined. Does anybody know that if a path contains parameter*?f0*, then there must be a definition in equation or no need to define it? Thanks, Ying Sun
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/8/12 4:06 AM, zhangjf wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 4:57 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: Hi All, Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some others experiences. Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and Laptop. 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes. 2. Unpack . -- Time: 1 minute. 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes. 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done! It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals! I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all minor): a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should have 'Apache Software Foundation' as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows 'OpenOffice.org' as the Publisher. agree, it should already fine for the Linux packages. We have to find the correct place but it shouldn't be a problem when when we know for what we are looking ;-) Please submit an issue for that I remember the unknown publisher message is caused by lacking signature in the msi install package, it should get signed with an official certification by the signtool or signcode utility from Windows SDK. If you have the certification, this step can be done after the msi packages are generated separately and if possible, it can be integrated as one step in the build procedure. good to know that signing solve it. One more reason why we need a certificate. Agree 100%. Roberto Juergen b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder. c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this should change to 'openoffice3' at the moment we decided to keep the former name to emphasize that we are OpenOffice. In the future we can think about OpenOfifce 4. The CamelCase with space notation is by design because that is how it is done on windows. d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word Documents' ticked by default, as per other email threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the screen during install so it can be ticked easily. without deeper analysis of a the appropriate default that satisfies most of our users I wouldn't change it e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main 'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ?? I have no preference here, maybe it's sorted automatically I don't know Thanks for your feedback Juergen -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Hi, On 07.06.2012 17:10, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 07.06.2012 15:12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: Hi, from what we have experienced so far from the first phase of the OOo 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update service working at the end of this week. As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if possible, I want to put our attention on the planned download pages. Rob already started a similar thread - namely Audit of NL home pages [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action. Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update functionality should direct the user for these languages. Arabic - ? Chinese (simplified) - ? Chinese (traditional) - ? Czech - ? Dutch - http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html English (US) - http://www.openoffice.org/download French - http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ Galician - ? German - ? German - http://www.openoffice.org/download On the mainpage http://www.openoffice.org/de/; there is only one big link that points to the central download webpage. However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to make it more Apache-like. Thx for the feedback. Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page. Question for discussion: Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages for which we have no localized download page? orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no other solution. I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add support for that, I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by now, at least from an infrastructure perspective. For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits. Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2). I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues. OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for: - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2) - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2) - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2) Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
Jurgen, thank you for review and check in. 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
Re: [UX]A bit of brainstorming on the forums
2012/6/8 Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de: On 08.06.2012 04:39, Clarence GUO wrote: Hi~ What's the language of the forum link http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76;? I opened the link and the language looks like Germany. Not german, looks spanish. That would match the /es/ part in the URL. -Andre 2012/6/7 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com At the ES forums we started a small experiment: a section(1) to present and discuss ideas about the program. This experiment can be viewed as a first run were people can share their ideas and interact with others to see if it is a good idea (or not) and express it the best possible way. The goal is to arrive to a valid enhancement request. Let's see what happens. If the experiment makes sense, maybe we can start thinking of a way to extend it. Regards Ricardo (1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76 In the initial mail I wrote At the ES forums... :) Not too much movement for now, but let's see what happens. Regards Ricardo
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
Hi Jurgen, You just reviewed 119653 which is not this one, could you please help to review 119912? Thanks. 2012/6/8 Peng Chen chenpeng2...@gmail.com Jurgen, thank you for review and check in. 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Jurgen, thank you for review and check in. well the patch doesn't compile out of the box. bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something in the patch. I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx) Let me know Juergen 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003
Thanks for the reminder. The discussion has been logged in defect comments. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119903 2012/6/8 zhangjf zhan...@apache.org I suggest you log this discussion into the bug as comments too. Although this mail list will be archived too, it is helpful to find all it's related background and technical info in one single place. zhangjf On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jianyuan Li lijianyuan1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for everyone. I will use Description for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple lines which are supported by Description other than Title. I have tried with Title, multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after import. 2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi Jianyuan Li, On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote: Hi, All, In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named alt text. But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar like it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be exported. So on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value will be shown. There is a bug related to it: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119659 To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And then export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text? There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape. alt text sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator, maybe also a good candidate to add something useful. HTH! Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
On 6/8/12 11:35 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Jurgen, thank you for review and check in. well the patch doesn't compile out of the box. bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something in the patch. I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx) Let me know we can chat via IRC or Sametime Juergen Juergen 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)
On 6/8/12 11:35 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Jurgen, thank you for review and check in. well the patch doesn't compile out of the box. bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something in the patch. I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx) work means it doesn't crash but the chart is not correct after the redo, it's empty no DatgaRanges defined etc. Juergen Let me know Juergen 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119912 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 , it is about application crash when undo redo a split pasted table. Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! done reviewed, built and tested - patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore Thanks Juergen
[Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119870 (Line transparency value is lost after saving as ppt by AOO)
Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119870 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119870 Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! -- Best regards Lei Debin
Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter
Hi, Oliver
Thanks again for your patch to issue 119624. also I benefit a lot from
your response :)
Does the change from nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 to nLayoutInTableCell
== 0x80008000 mean that
the value 0x80008000 is the flag indicates Layout in Table cell property
has been checked,
while 0x8000 isn't ? And I want to figure out the different meaning
between 0x80008000 and 0x8000
since I cannot see further information except parameter 0x03BF indicates
the AutoFormat options
in MS Word binary format specification.
2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer
Wittmannorwittmann@**googlemail.comorwittm...@googlemail.com
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
Hi, All,
There is an attribute for anchored objects named Layout In Table
Cell
property in MS Word.
WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
puzzled that there are two hex magic number
0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483. From the
discussion in issue
84783https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783**
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=84783https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783
**, I can see that
these
number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
sure
whether both number indicate that
Layout in table cell is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
found
more details. So I post this mail
to see if I could get any sort of advice.
I am the author of the corresponding methodSwWW8ImplReader::
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
containing the above magic number interpretation. As far as I remember
the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
been made with issue 98037.
As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
magic number was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.
I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue
seems
to be related to my implemetation in methodSwWW8ImplReader::**
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..).
I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
results.
Hi, Oliver,
Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
indicate
whether the Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.
However, when use nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 to determine the
property. Both 0x80008000 or 0x8000 can set the
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.
Do the two hex number represent same meaning?
No, I do not think so.
My implementation of the conditions in method
SwWW8ImplReader::**IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
is wrong I think.
It must must be:
if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value
given
nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
^^
( nLayoutInTableCell 0x0200
!(nLayoutInTableCell 0x8000 ) ) )
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
}
else
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
}
Testing nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 in the second condition does not
make sense regarding the third condition.
The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get
the horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method
SwWW8ImplReader::**IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..) the following code
found in method SwWW8ImplReader::**ProcessEscherAlign(..) will apply:
// -- OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
// a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
// has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
// convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
// -- OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell()
if ( nInTable
( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR )
pFSPA-nwr == 3
// pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
!IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell ) )
{
eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_**PRINT_AREA;
}
// --
I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue
119624.
But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word
document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.
Best regards, Oliver.
Please introduce yourself on the list here
Hi, I have reviewed some issues and found that it is hard to identify the real names behind some emails etc. I would like to suggest that people send a short introduction to the list here and tell us a little bit about yourself and the motivation to join the project and work with us on the code. It's mainly to give the credits to the people who earn it ;-) Means in the svn logs by setting the Patch By, Fodun By, ... Juergen
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
Hi, On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote: For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important. I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS contains important work implementing spreadsheet formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done by Marina during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and Daniel for the Excel import/export. It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2 soon. So how to proceed? Eike -- PGP/OpenPGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred in all private communication. Key ID: 0x293C05FD - 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call-for-Review] Bug 119478 (Number formating are changed after save and reopen it again)
Changed title to correct bug id. On 08.06.2012 06:40, Steve Yin wrote: Hi all, The fix for bug 119907 is ready. Thanks for the good work. Here is the link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119907 Could you please to review it? Done. I took the liberty to remove the commented out code. It is still in SVN. Revision is 1348028. -Andre Thanks.
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
Hi Eike, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:28:59PM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: Hi, On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote: For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important. I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS contains important work implementing spreadsheet formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done by Marina during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and Daniel for the Excel import/export. If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo. It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2 soon. So how to proceed? If my interpretation is right, Marina can take all the code she wrote in this CWS and commit it in LO and/or AOO without asking Oracle's permission. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgp7hMviZzfwM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter
Hi,
On 08.06.2012 12:07, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
Hi, Oliver
Thanks again for your patch to issue 119624. also I benefit a lot from
your response :)
Does the change from nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 to nLayoutInTableCell
== 0x80008000 mean that
the value 0x80008000 is the flag indicates Layout in Table cell property
has been checked,
Yes, at least this reveals from my investigations.
while 0x8000 isn't ? And I want to figure out the different meaning
between 0x80008000 and 0x8000
since I cannot see further information except parameter 0x03BF indicates
the AutoFormat options
in MS Word binary format specification.
As I had never a deep look into this specification I do not know more.
My investigations results in the implementation of method
SwWW8ImplReader::IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
- value == 0x means LayoutInTableCell is set
- value == 0x80008000 means LayoutInTableCell is set
- ( value 0x0200 AND
!(value 0x8000) ) means LayoutInTableCell is set
Best regards, Oliver.
2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmannorwittm...@googlemail.com
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer
Wittmannorwittmann@**googlemail.comorwittm...@googlemail.com
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
Hi, All,
There is an attribute for anchored objects named Layout In Table
Cell
property in MS Word.
WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
puzzled that there are two hex magic number
0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483. From the
discussion in issue
84783https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783**
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=84783https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=84783
**, I can see that
these
number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
sure
whether both number indicate that
Layout in table cell is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
found
more details. So I post this mail
to see if I could get any sort of advice.
I am the author of the corresponding methodSwWW8ImplReader::
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
containing the above magic number interpretation. As far as I remember
the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
been made with issue 98037.
As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
magic number was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.
I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue
seems
to be related to my implemetation in methodSwWW8ImplReader::**
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..).
I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
results.
Hi, Oliver,
Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
indicate
whether the Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.
However, when use nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 to determine the
property. Both 0x80008000 or 0x8000 can set the
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.
Do the two hex number represent same meaning?
No, I do not think so.
My implementation of the conditions in
methodSwWW8ImplReader::**IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)
is wrong I think.
It must must be:
if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value
given
nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
^^
( nLayoutInTableCell 0x0200
!(nLayoutInTableCell 0x8000 ) ) )
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
}
else
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
}
Testing nLayoutInTableCell 0x80008000 in the second condition does not
make sense regarding the third condition.
The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get
the horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method
SwWW8ImplReader::**IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..) the following code
found in methodSwWW8ImplReader::**ProcessEscherAlign(..) will apply:
// -- OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
// a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
// has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
// convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
// -- OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell()
if ( nInTable
( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR )
pFSPA-nwr == 3
// pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
!IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord-nLayoutInTableCell ) )
{
eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_**PRINT_AREA;
}
//--
I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue
119624.
But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word
document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
Hi Ross, *, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:58:25AM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from other Apache projects. I agree. Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that merit is earned. The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an open development project is bad. Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life. As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new class of community member to bring them into the ASF. I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default policies say they need to be committees and address that issue. For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail. IMHO the issue is not in the Apache Way of doing things, but in how the Pootle server works (or was set up). The most clear example is the CMS: you can make modifications and send a patch from within the CMS without being a committer: http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer You log-in as anonymous user, but when mailing the diff you can identify yourself. Something similar could be implemented in pootle. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgp9h7Ti6ovYM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
On 6/8/12 1:55 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Ross, *, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:58:25AM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from other Apache projects. I agree. Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that merit is earned. The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an open development project is bad. Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life. As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new class of community member to bring them into the ASF. I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default policies say they need to be committees and address that issue. For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail. IMHO the issue is not in the Apache Way of doing things, but in how the Pootle server works (or was set up). The most clear example is the CMS: you can make modifications and send a patch from within the CMS without being a committer: http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer You log-in as anonymous user, but when mailing the diff you can identify yourself. Something similar could be implemented in pootle. I would say Pootle has everything that is needed. We would only need a mechanism to allow user registration as non committer, as possible for bugzilla or the wiki. More fine grained rights can we define and set per project in Pootle. This way way we can make sure that in case of AOO registered users can make suggestions. Other projects can handle it differently. The patch mechanism here is to make suggestions as a known person. Juergen Regards
Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category
El 08/06/2012 1:22, Rob Weir escribió: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote: +1 on this discussion so far. I was skeptical but I favor how this is going. Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no. - Dennis PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be visible. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: ... I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with pootle currently requires committership, which results in translators having having to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The board needs to decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not and what the alternatives are. No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to define its own expectations of committers. it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where new users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined with an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer. But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all. Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we can reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them on a fast-track. I agree that the limitation suboptimal. I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel able to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution. I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate action to address things like that ;-) Careful with the I - madness lies that way ;-) This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding. It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to proceed I'm sure others will help guide you. I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-) Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term Apache contributor where users can register for an user account by accepting that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc. The contributor role at Apache already handles this. A contributor can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki, contribute documentation, etc. What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in SVN. So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including translations. I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for contributors to add translations to Pootle. I can see the justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle. But the anonymous part of this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal standpoint. For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their contributions marked as being from nobody in the UI: https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/ Isn't that rather insulting? [reposted since I didn't see this topic change] yes, it is...I thought Juergen was suggesting that some special submission access if you will be granted to the Pootle server. As in we would like to be able to allow people with an iCLA on file to register for access to the pootle server. We can call these people invited translators Why not allow that to everyone? I'm trying to see what harm would come from that? No one needs special permission to enter a BZ issue and attach a patch. Why can't someone log into Pootle and enter a suggestion? Is there a technical reason why this is not happening? +1 But as far as I can remember it didn't work properly http://markmail.org/message/kahew2uqvrzmf4ag?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Eincubator%2Eooo-dev+pootle+suggestion
[RELEASE] requesting 3.4.1 release blocker: 119928 - AOO 3.4.1: change UpdateURL
Hi, I am requesting issue 119928 [1]. I am also volunteering to work on this task. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119928 Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119870 (Line transparency value is lost after saving as ppt by AOO)
On 6/8/12 12:04 PM, debin lei wrote: Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119870 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119870 Can anyone help to review the fix? Thank you! I will take care of it Juergen
Re: [RELEASE] requesting 3.4.1 release blocker: 119928 - AOO 3.4.1: change UpdateURL
On 6/8/12 3:42 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I am requesting issue 119928 [1]. I am also volunteering to work on this task. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119928 Best regards, Oliver. +1 Juergen
Re: Disk space needed - AOOo Build for OSX
On 6/7/12 10:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jun 7, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I'm creating some OSX 10.6 and 10.5 VM partitions, mostly to play around with building AOOo (as you know, 10.7 and the latest Xcode are no-nos)... what's a realistic expectation regarding how much available disk space is needed? The directory left over from my release testing is 6.55 GB - that's not XCode or anything else. I am on 10.6.8 I checked my local directory where I have a checked out the AOO34 branch and where I am building 3.4.1 After building with all 15 languages I have 18G in the directory. I would make the VM big enough Juergen
[Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?
A Content Experiment is when we create several version of the same web page and test it with users to see which version performs best. Google Analystics has a feature where it can run such experiments for us automatically, tracking all the statistics for us, and telling us which version of a page gives the optimal results. One particular scenario I think we could really improve on is what I call the Windows Unrecognized ODF File scenario. It goes like this; 1. The user is a Windows user that does not have OpenOffice installed, or any other application that understands ODF files. So no LibreOffice, no AbiWord, not even Office 2007 SP2 or Office 2010 (both of which support ODF). 2. User receives an ODF document, from email, from the web, or some other means. 3. User tries to launch the ODF file. 4. Because the user does not have an ODF application installed, Windows gives the user a dialog box with the following --- Windows cannot open this file: foo.odt To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it. Windows can go online to look it up automatically, or you can manually select from a list of programs on your computer. What do you want to do? -- Use the Web service to find the appropriate program -- Select the program from a list --- 5. User picks the first option (Use the Web service) and is brought to the following page: http://shell.windows.com/fileassoc/0409/xml/redir.asp?Ext=odt 6. User selects OpenOffice and are brought to this page: http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Note that we have no control up to this point. The above steps are all user interactions with Microsoft Windows and Microsoft's website. The only thing we really control is the contents of the destination website (step 6). Technically, it is easily to make this redirect to a different page just for users who come from the Microsoft web service. So we can easily show a customized page that better targets this scenario. Note that the user reaching this point probably knows nothing about ODF or about OpenOffice. They are just plopped into this download page with almost no context. For example, there is zero mention of ODF on this page. Maybe this is why only 30% of the users who reach this page from the web service actually downloaded OpenOffice. This is much lower than visitors who reach our download page from other means. Can we improve on this? Note: we get more referrals from this Windows web service than we get referrals from any other website. So helping these users quickly understand what their options are and why they might want to download/install OpenOffice is quite important. So here is the experiment. Let's try to get a handful of alternate destination pages that speak to this scenario and provide the information that would be most useful to this kind of user. It could be a modified version of the download page. It could be a new intermediate landing page that provides context and then links to the existing download page. Whatever you think would work best. We can then run the experiment, say for a month, letting Google randomly present users with the various alternate pages and measure what the download %'s are for each version. The winner will gain eternal fame and glory, maybe even a blog post. I'm willing to do the technical work on setting up the experiment and prepping the website to support it. What I need are volunteers to come up with alternate landing pages for this scenario, ones that we can include in the experiment. Questions? -Rob
Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...
FYI, http://www.openoffice.org/ shows the following text in the right sidebar: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is pleased to note the strong positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has been downloaded over one million times! http://www.openoffice.org/news/aoo34-1M.html As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed (replaced by another up-to-date news item) or constantly updated. ---rony
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
Hi Ariel, Andrew on Cc. On Friday, 2012-06-08 08:44:51 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo. Of course she has rights over her code, but she also contributed the code under the SCA/OCA to OOo, so Oracle has the same rights on the code as on every other code of every contributor to the project. It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2 soon. So how to proceed? If my interpretation is right, Marina can take all the code she wrote in this CWS and commit it in LO and/or AOO without asking Oracle's permission. Yes she could, but the complete work is done by three persons, all under the copyright of Oracle. IMHO the changes of these CWSs were intended to be covered by the source code grant to Apache. Andrew, could you provide insights on this? Thanks Eike -- PGP/OpenPGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred in all private communication. Key ID: 0x293C05FD - 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) r...@apache.org wrote: FYI, http://www.openoffice.org/ shows the following text in the right sidebar: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is pleased to note the strong positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has been downloaded over one million times! http://www.openoffice.org/news/aoo34-1M.html As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed (replaced by another up-to-date news item) or constantly updated. I've updated. I've been hacking at some python automation around extracting the stats from SourceForge and updating counts and charts automatically. Almost there. Dave was also looking into this from the cron perspective. -Rob ---rony
Re: Request bugzilla privilege
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 08.06.2012 06:07, Ji Yan wrote: I found some duplicated defect in bugzilla and want to change stauts to Duplicate, but have no privilege to do that. Could somebody grants me the rights? Thanks in advanced I'm sure nobody will object that I added you to the edit-bugs group when he checked your many very good QA contributions in http://s.apache.org/ODg for yanji...@gmail.com . Note that there is a group defined called qa-team. If you assign volunteers, on request, to that group, then they automatically get canconfirm and editbugs privileges. This is nicer, in some ways, than assigning atomic permissions explicitly. For example, we can adjust the permission set for that role in the future. Maybe the next update of BZ introduces a new permission, we can easily give it to everyone in qa-team, etc. And a reminder to all committers, if you set your BZ account to use your apache.org email address then you automatically added to qa-team and have these same permissions. -Rob Herbert
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
FWIW, --- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile ha scritto: ... If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo. If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc) that were not available under other conditions. Interns are not different to regular employees in such cases. But IANAL, Pedro.
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: FWIW, --- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile ha scritto: ... If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo. If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc) that were not available under other conditions. Interns are not different to regular employees in such cases. I'd start with asking the intern first, and then Oracle. But with some tact. I can't think of any large corporation (or small one) that prefers to deal with such questions on a public mailing list. But IANAL, Pedro.
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
Hello Eike; --- Ven 8/6/12, Eike Rathke ha scritto: Hi, On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote: For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important. I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS contains important work implementing spreadsheet formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done by Marina during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and Daniel for the Excel import/export. It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2 soon. So how to proceed? Well, as you know, the only proved way to get code from a CWS relicensed is to commit it to the tree and wait for the ASF to make a release with it. Other alternatives have to be arranged directly with the copyright owner. Breaking the build or bringing stuff that doesn't work is not acceptable so I would suggest you make available the patch and give a couple of days before committing it just to make sure there are no objections. Of course you are a committer, so you can create a branch if you want to do some special work on it before getting it integrated. best regards, Pedro.
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:29:44AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote: If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo. If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc) that were not available under other conditions. Interns are not different to regular employees in such cases. You are missing the context: - the Internship was http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship - it was payed by Team OpenOffice.org on behalf of the Community Council with community resources - the contributor signed the SCA http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship#Terms_.26_Conditions This means the Intern owns the copyright on the code she/he wrote. The issue in this case is that Daniel and Eike both contributed code being Oracle employees. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpoOYaUcaAB2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs
Hi Ariel; --- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org ha scritto: ... You are missing the context: - the Internship was http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship - it was payed by Team OpenOffice.org on behalf of the Community Council with community resources - the contributor signed the SCA http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship#Terms_.26_Conditions This means the Intern owns the copyright on the code she/he wrote. The issue in this case is that Daniel and Eike both contributed code being Oracle employees. Ah, OK ... I think the owner was the organization that paid, but one of the conditions for the internship was clearly to sign the JCA so only Oracle has control of the copyright without any reasonable doubt. Just for reference.. I once needed a header from a GSoC project that was written for Haiku (under MIT license). I needed that header under BSD 2 Clause license so I contacted the author. The author was paid by Google to do the project so instead of relicensing directly he had me contact the Haiku guys to get the header relicensed. After a long delay to get any answer, finally Haiku said it was OK to relicense the header under a BSD license but it took so long that I didn't really use the header at all. Hopefully we will get to use it for another GSoC this year :-P. Pedro.
Re: Please introduce yourself on the list here
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi, I have reviewed some issues and found that it is hard to identify the real names behind some emails etc. I would like to suggest that people send a short introduction to the list here and tell us a little bit about yourself and the motivation to join the project and work with us on the code. It's mainly to give the credits to the people who earn it ;-) Means in the svn logs by setting the Patch By, Fodun By, ... Juergen Juergen-- There's a boiler plate welcome message that is sent to new subscribers as you may know. Perhaps we could get some wording added to that to request this kind of introduction as a first message post. I will try to find out how to contact to do this. Would you like to suggest some wording for this, assuming it can be changed. -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) r...@apache.org wrote: FYI, http://www.openoffice.org/ shows the following text in the right sidebar: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is pleased to note the strong positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has been downloaded over one million times! http://www.openoffice.org/news/aoo34-1M.html As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed (replaced by another up-to-date news item) or constantly updated. I've updated. I've been hacking at some python automation around extracting the stats from SourceForge and updating counts and charts automatically. Almost there. Dave was also looking into this from the cron perspective. -Rob cool! Nice to see this display... ---rony -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
On 7 June 2012 03:57, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: Hi All, snip/ 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes. 2. Unpack . -- Time: 1 minute. 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes. 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done! It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals! I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all minor): snip/ b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder. Better yet, use a folder under %TEMP% and delete it after use. AFAICT, the unpacked files are only needed for installation, and one still has the initial download, so why clutter up the disk?
Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow. My scenario is 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing. 2. Input some simple text in it. 3. Save and then reopen it. 4. Repeat the above steps. How many iterations of this loop did you do in 23 hours? It would be good to know the average leak per iteration, i.e., (600-90MB)/N == ? Although few end-users will use AOO like this, it is a good example of what someone might do if they ran OpenOffice on the server, to automate document conversions, etc. So it is important to reduce memory leaks. I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before? Not in 3.4. -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?
Can we determine a way to stop cross posting to both ooo-marketing and ooo-dev? (it seems that the majority of posts to ooo-mkt are cross posted) I think this is blocking ooo-marketing from gaining traction on its own. A. On 6/8/2012 6:54 AM, Rob Weir wrote: A Content Experiment is when we create several version of the same web page and test it with users to see which version performs best. big snip
Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the location of external tar balls. How should the build get these using the new script? Andrew On 6/7/2012 9:29 PM, build...@apache.org wrote: The Buildbot has finished a build on builder openoffice-linux64-nightly while building ASF Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/247 Buildbot URL: http://ci.apache.org/ Buildslave for this Build: tethys_ubuntu Build Reason: The Nightly scheduler named 'openoffice-linux64-nightly' triggered this build Build Source Stamp: [branch incubator/ooo/trunk] HEAD Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed shell_1 sincerely, -The Buildbot
Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Nicolas Christener nicolas.christe...@adfinis-sygroup.ch wrote: Hi Rob On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: [...] Congratulation! Thank you :) Would you like more public awareness of this test build? Do you want to find more users to help test? We would very welcome more testing and more feedback! It's our goal to achieve the same quality for the Solaris builds as for all the other builds. The more people looking at the build the better :) If you are interested (and willing) I'd be happy to do an email interview with you for a blog post. Questions would be related to your work on the AOO Solaris port, why this is important to your company, what kind of users do you have, why the move to Apache is a good thing, etc. It can be a group interview if there is more than one person who wants to answer. Wow, this would be very nice! As there are different people involved in our team, we would love to do such a group interview by mail :) Great. I've sent you some questions via email. Also, did you see this thread asking about Solaris support? http://compgroups.net/comp.unix.solaris/apache-openoffice-for-solaris/1108687 Rob Thank you very much for your kind support, we really appreciate it! Kind regards Nicolas Christener -- Adfinis SyGroup AG Nicolas Christener, Bereichsleiter Software-Entwicklung Keltenstrasse 98, CH-3018 Bern Tel. +41 31 550 31 11, Mob. +41 76 335 32 57
Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 21:13 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:35 -0700, Nancy K wrote: I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use it as you see fit. If you need an email consent or something, I can get that as well from her. What do you think? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg Hi Nancy Thanks - I'll see if there is something I can do with that. OK - I've updated all three pieces http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png will leave these as is for now - any ideas on better content, etc. appreciated. Missing 't' in Productivity in http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png Also it looks like you have (C) for the MS Office, etc. I assume you want to acknowledge their trademark, not copyright. Alright, Productivity now has a 't' where it should be, on all three pieces. The (c) is now a (r) for the MS trademarks. Made the copy changes, per Nancy's recommendations - reads better now, thank you Nancy. Pushed png with those changes to the URLs listed above. The clock/calendar tells me I need to call these done - unless someone sees a real issue with anything there. So - question - is this the point where I need to send an email to the ASF trademark mail list? //drew
Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 23:26 -0300, Albino B Neto wrote: Hi. 2012/6/7 drew d...@baseanswers.com: OK - I've updated all three pieces http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png Good designer! Could add O.S Linux too. Howdy Albino, I was not planning on a Linux iso image, not for this go-round at least - because of time. In fact not sure I should even try for the Mac disk, as I have no Mac to try it on and with turn around time on uploads/someone checks/fix trying to hit this coming Wed for release is going to be a trick.. If you want to jump in and put together a Linux disk however - that would be great. The SVG files used to produce the PNG images, listed above, are on that server now - just replace the png for svg in the file name :) //drew
Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD
On 8 June 2012 19:05, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 21:13 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:35 -0700, Nancy K wrote: I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use it as you see fit. If you need an email consent or something, I can get that as well from her. What do you think? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg Hi Nancy Thanks - I'll see if there is something I can do with that. OK - I've updated all three pieces http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png will leave these as is for now - any ideas on better content, etc. appreciated. Missing 't' in Productivity in http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png Also it looks like you have (C) for the MS Office, etc. I assume you want to acknowledge their trademark, not copyright. Alright, Productivity now has a 't' where it should be, on all three pieces. The (c) is now a (r) for the MS trademarks. Made the copy changes, per Nancy's recommendations - reads better now, thank you Nancy. It's not 100% clear to me if the CD contains just the Software Development Kit for the suite, or if it contains the SDK in addition to the suite. I suspect the latter, but perhaps consider adding includes before the SDK text. Pushed png with those changes to the URLs listed above. The clock/calendar tells me I need to call these done - unless someone sees a real issue with anything there. So - question - is this the point where I need to send an email to the ASF trademark mail list? //drew
Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
Hi Andrew, On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote: I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the location of external tar balls. How should the build get these using the new script? Looking through the logs if saw ./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script. I committed the fix as revision 1348184 Herbert
Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
Hi Andrew, On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote: I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the location of external tar balls. How should the build get these using the new script? Looking through the logs I saw ./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script. I committed the fix as revision 1348184 Herbert
[PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012
We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled an outline together on the wiki [1]. This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality, now is the time to volunteer. Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with the broader conference as well. Share and share alike! I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'. This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are too. Please engage and make this happen. [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*
Re: i want to start volunterring
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com wrote: I want get involved innbsp; thenbsp; 14 Ways to Contribute to Open Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star.nbsp; how can I startnbsp; helping by developeing something nbsp; thanks nbsp;rushi phutane. Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice It's great that you came across that particular article by the way. I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list. Currently, we have a Help Wanted page in the project website area https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted I don't know if you've seen this or not. If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area -- https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ or, just spend some time on this list for a while and see what crops up. The area under Development on Get Involved http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html also contains information on how to submit patches etc. Welcome to our community. -- -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
$PERL not respected (was: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly)
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:42:19PM +0200, Herbert Duerr wrote: Hi Andrew, On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote: I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the location of external tar balls. How should the build get these using the new script? Looking through the logs I saw ./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script. I committed the fix as revision 1348184 Looking at bootstrap.1, that file gets executed by a system perl (supposed you have one installed), not respecting the perl set with --with-perl-home, stored in $PERL. I should try a full build renaming /usr/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl.foo and configuring with --with-perl-home, I guess there will be more places than the ones found in the attached patch. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina diff --git a/main/bootstrap.1 b/main/bootstrap.1 index 719f385..7f2dff8 100644 --- a/main/bootstrap.1 +++ b/main/bootstrap.1 @@ -30,16 +30,18 @@ export EXEEXT mkdir -p $SOLARENV/$OUTPATH/bin -#make sure build.pl is executable +#make sure perl scripts are executable chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/build.pl chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/build_client.pl chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/zipdep.pl chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/gccinstlib.pl +chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl +chmod +x $SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/download_missing_extensions.pl # fetch or update external tarballs if [ $DO_FETCH_TARBALLS = yes ]; then -download_external_dependencies.pl $SRC_ROOT/external_deps.lst +$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl $SRC_ROOT/external_deps.lst fi # -- @@ -152,4 +154,4 @@ else fi # Download missing extensions. -download_missing_extensions.pl +$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/download_missing_extensions.pl diff --git a/main/set_soenv.in b/main/set_soenv.in index 1ea51ce..5bead59 100644 --- a/main/set_soenv.in +++ b/main/set_soenv.in @@ -1558,11 +1558,11 @@ for my $repo (split(/ /,@ADDITIONAL_REPOSITORIES@)) # print Setting the aliases... ; # 1. alias for a full product make. - $mkout = 'perl $SOLARENV/bin/mkout.pl'; - $deliver = 'perl $SOLARENV/bin/deliver.pl'; - $build = 'perl $SOLARENV/bin/build.pl'; - $build_client= 'perl $SOLARENV/bin/build_client.pl'; - $zipdep = 'perl $SOLARENV/bin/zipdep.pl'; + $mkout = '$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/mkout.pl'; + $deliver = '$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/deliver.pl'; + $build = '$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/build.pl'; + $build_client= '$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/build_client.pl'; + $zipdep = '$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/zipdep.pl'; # 3. alias for a full product make $nmake = 'dmake'; print done\n; pgpMM1gYjs1tM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: i want to start volunterring
Hi Kay, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:09:16PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice It's great that you came across that particular article by the way. I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list. any rout... This mail was moderated, that is he missed your answer unless you Cc'ed him. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpE9HWIAif3u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build
Am 06/08/2012 07:28 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Nicolas Christener nicolas.christe...@adfinis-sygroup.ch wrote: Hi Rob On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: [...] Congratulation! Thank you :) Would you like more public awareness of this test build? Do you want to find more users to help test? We would very welcome more testing and more feedback! It's our goal to achieve the same quality for the Solaris builds as for all the other builds. The more people looking at the build the better :) If you are interested (and willing) I'd be happy to do an email interview with you for a blog post. Questions would be related to your work on the AOO Solaris port, why this is important to your company, what kind of users do you have, why the move to Apache is a good thing, etc. It can be a group interview if there is more than one person who wants to answer. Wow, this would be very nice! As there are different people involved in our team, we would love to do such a group interview by mail :) Great. I've sent you some questions via email. Also, did you see this thread asking about Solaris support? http://compgroups.net/comp.unix.solaris/apache-openoffice-for-solaris/1108687 Maybe we can help here as-well. Like putting a note on the http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html; webpage, that we will support Solaris (x86 and Sparc) in the future but that this takes some more time than for the usual platforms. What do you think? Marcus Thank you very much for your kind support, we really appreciate it! Kind regards Nicolas Christener -- Adfinis SyGroup AG Nicolas Christener, Bereichsleiter Software-Entwicklung Keltenstrasse 98, CH-3018 Bern Tel. +41 31 550 31 11, Mob. +41 76 335 32 57
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Am 06/07/2012 02:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, from what we have experienced so far from the first phase of the OOo 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update service working at the end of this week. As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if possible, I want to put our attention on the planned download pages. Rob already started a similar thread - namely Audit of NL home pages [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action. Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update functionality should direct the user for these languages. Arabic - ? Chinese (simplified) - ? Chinese (traditional) - ? Czech - ? Dutch - http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html English (US) - http://www.openoffice.org/download French - http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ Galician - ? German - ? German - http://www.openoffice.org/download On the mainpage http://www.openoffice.org/de/; there is only one big link that points to the central download webpage. However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to make it more Apache-like. Thx for the feedback. Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page. Question for discussion: Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages for which we have no localized download page? orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no other solution. I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English Yes, I also think that the webpage in English is better than nothing. page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add support for that, Right. Another question for discussion: Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter utm_source=OOo3_3 to utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code] in order to distinguish the languages on this level? +1. Then we can see which language builds are really downloaded independent from the browser. And on this way we can identify the hotspots of interest. Marcus Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale, so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the platform. Best regards, Oliver. Hungarian - ? Italian - http://openoffice.org/it/download Japanese - http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/ Portuguese (Brazilian) - ? Russian - http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html Spanish - http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/ [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3 Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver. Marcus
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
Am 07.06.2012 04:57, Gavin McDonald wrote: Hi All, Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some others experiences. Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and Laptop. It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals! Hi, On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has 32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on the Oracle page. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html I successfully tested embedded HSQLDB, XHTML export and various FileWizards... with Java7 and Linux-32 and Windows-32. Just my 2 Cents, Andreas
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
Andreas Säger wrote: On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has 32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on the Oracle page. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows 64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe? If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a bundled with Java installer. Regards, Andrea.
Re: i want to start volunterring
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: Hi Kay, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:09:16PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice It's great that you came across that particular article by the way. I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list. any rout... This mail was moderated, that is he missed your answer unless you Cc'ed him. Hi Ariel -- Oh -- I couldn't tell that...I'll re-reply. Thanks. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: [UX] The Questions for users
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 - See comments inline On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Keep in mind that we already have a large recent survey of sorts, based on Google Analytics data from those who have visited the website and downloaded AOO. KG01 - Do we ask for email addresses of people who download. How might we engage downloaders to complete survey? When users download they are presented with a screen at SourceForge that invites them to sign up for our announcement mailing list, ooo-annnounce. We have over 8000 subscribers to that list. So it is just a small % of the 3 million+ downloads. We also have the ability to reach out to users via Twitter, Google+ Facebook, etc., So there are several ways we could get the word out. Another technique that we might be able to do is to offer the survey link to a random sample of those who download, say 1%. It won't tell us some of the detailed stuff, like whether they use AOO at home or at work, but there is more info available here than might be generally known. KG01 - Re-use is great. Can you send along a link to where I can review the specific data we capture? Yes, I think we can eliminate many questions form our demographic questions and pull the data from other sources, such as the download info. OK. I'll put together a report and send it it out to the list. For example: - what countries users are mainly from. Can also get detail to the level of what cities are most often downloading AOO. - what languages - what operating systems and versions they are using - what screen resolution they have - what browser they are using - if they found our website from searching Google, what were the most used search strings - if they came to our website via a link from another website, what were the most common referring sites - what social networking sites lead them most to the website - what pages on the website are most frequently read - what paths through the website most often lead to a download and any of these can be correlated against download conversion rate. So for example we can look at what % of visitors download AOO based on country, or language, or OS or browser or whatever. KG01 - Despite the overlap, I suspect that we will need to include some basic demographic questions in the user surveys to ensure we can correlate the results. For example, if users from a certain geography, or users of a certain role have issues, we need to assocaite their task prioritization and satisfaction ratings against their demographic data. Data from disparate data sources would not support such analysis. Right. Obviously this is not a replacement for a survey that looks at the habits and preferences of the user's in-application behavior. But this information is low hanging fruit that is based on data already collected. KG01 - Indeed, task assessment research is another category all together. -Rob On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: KG01 - see comments inline. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Hi. Questions relating to research! [] Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about what sort of surveys our users would respond to. KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research effort. While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce premature survey fatigue. Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN. We haven't caused that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise. The cost of incentives these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling in a timely manner is huge. User research, especially surveys, consumes people's time and energy. Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread Rather, I propose we work from the other direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data that will help us build insight and drive informed design and development decisions, then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do that. I have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page. Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as has historically been the case, then the data is useless. You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment. We have no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey process as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from people what would encourage them to participate. That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a UX survey but that is only because there are a
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
Am 09.06.2012 00:50, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Andreas Säger wrote: On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has 32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on the Oracle page. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows 64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe? If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a bundled with Java installer. Regards, Andrea. Yes, it has to be jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe for Windows x86. Theoretically, AOO should run on Linux-64 with any Java version, 32 or 64 bit, Java6 or Java7. But I have no such system at hand. I don't know anything about Mac OS.
Re: i want to start volunterring
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com wrote: I want get involved innbsp; thenbsp; 14 Ways to Contribute to Open Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star.nbsp; how can I startnbsp; helping by developeing something nbsp; thanks nbsp;rushi phutane. Hi Rushi and thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice It's great that you came across that particular article by the way. You might start by taking a look at our Get Involved page if you haven't already... http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html Currently, we have a Help Wanted page linked there https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted that gives descriptions of some things you may be interested in. If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area -- https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ or, subscribe to the ooo-dev list and spend some time there seeing if anything looks interesting The area under Development on Get Involved http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html also contains information on how to submit patches etc. We welcome your participation. -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Nancy K wrote: Rob, Hi! This looks so good! I do have some suggestions. 1. ' send a request to the ooo-dev mailing list and we can make a translated version for you. ' takes you to the page of MANY mailing lists. I can see someone getting overwhelmed here. People are not going to scroll too far down that list - maybe a direct link to the page for translations without all of the choices - or - place a quick link button for Translations at the top of the mailing list page? Markdown adds ids for header paragraphs. So a hash tag can easily be added to any link. 2. Items 2, 3 and 4 talk about the means for linking the logo - I really like the yellow example below this (including the alt!) - could this be placed above 2,3 and 4 as simply 'Here is a copy/paste link to use. If you do not use this copy/past link and want to personalize it further, these are the rules you must follow: (insert 2,3,4)' I think this would encourage the copy/paste (with the alt for SEO!)- and it offers an easy copy/paste connection for those that are not into coding - but want a quick link. Also, could the Image link include an alt=Download Apache OpenOffice here that would help - currently it is img style=-webkit-user-select:none; src= http://incubator.apache.org/openoffficeorg/images/get-it-here/en.png; / +1. BTW - it is possible to use the Apache CMS Bookmarklet and create a patch. I'm willing to submit any CMS related patch someone wishes to contribute. Send patches to ooo-dev with a subject using a prefix of [RFW - CMS]. Good for any contribution from a non-committer. Regards, Dave Nancy Web Design Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com. Video courses on SEO, CMS, Design and Software Courses From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-market...@incubator.apache.org Cc: tradema...@apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it. These range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate download links for many open source projects. Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP Branding. I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo (the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation. If there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website. Here is the new page on the website. (It is not linked to from anywhere yet) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html I'd like to kick this off with a blog post in the next week or so. So if anyone sees anything urgently wrong, please speak up now. =Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo= Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the following logo subject to the following conditions: The logo: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000 [NB. We should move this to a more memorable location] Conditions: 1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it. If translations of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev list and we can provide a translated version for you. 2. The image must be linked to one of: a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g., http://de.openoffice.org c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice: http://download.openoffice.org or http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html 3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror. This causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice. 4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF. Rob-- This is good! Hopefully I'll finally get to the Distributor FAQ I mentioned a while back this weekend and I'll include a mention of this. Of course, we'll need lots of feedback on that I'm sure. -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
question re web site(s) patches...
Hi -- I'm looking at our Developer FAQ, which I just changed-- http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/developer-faqs.html and the information provided in the CMS ref regarding patches ... http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer which recommends patch submissions to the mailing list. We would want any kind of patch supplied via BZ, yes? (and of course that means more diligence in checking for these) I know we put little code snippets here on the list but I mean like large changes in sections to the web pages, right? -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: Installation Experience and Feedback
Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2012 um 00:59 schrieb Andreas Säger: Am 09.06.2012 00:50, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Andreas Säger wrote: On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has 32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on the Oracle page. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows 64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe? If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a bundled with Java installer. Regards, Andrea. Yes, it has to be jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe for Windows x86. you can try a 64bit version and use the jvm option -d32 und tools-options-java I have to check it myself under windows on Monday when I have access to my windows machine. Maybe we can improve the Java detection mechanism here a little bit ... Juergen Theoretically, AOO should run on Linux-64 with any Java version, 32 or 64 bit, Java6 or Java7. But I have no such system at hand. I don't know anything about Mac OS.
Re: i want to start volunterring
Hi Kay, poking around under some of the pages from your link I get to http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly It returns 404 - No such resource. I was looking for some documentation on how AOO hangs together/is designed. Any pointers greatfully accepted. Cheers, Ian On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com wrote: I want get involved innbsp; thenbsp; 14 Ways to Contribute to Open Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star.nbsp; how can I startnbsp; helping by developeing something nbsp; thanks nbsp;rushi phutane. Hi Rushi and thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice It's great that you came across that particular article by the way. You might start by taking a look at our Get Involved page if you haven't already... http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html Currently, we have a Help Wanted page linked there https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted that gives descriptions of some things you may be interested in. If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area -- https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ or, subscribe to the ooo-dev list and spend some time there seeing if anything looks interesting The area under Development on Get Involved http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html also contains information on how to submit patches etc. We welcome your participation. -- MzK Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not the end. -- Sonny, The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Re: $PERL not respected
On 06/08/2012 10:43 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:42:19PM +0200, Herbert Duerr wrote:
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Looking through the logs I saw
./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied
and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script.
I committed the fix as revision 1348184
With that fix the buildbot is happy now about the new download script:
http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/248/steps/compile_3/logs/stdio
Looking at bootstrap.1, that file gets executed by a system perl
(supposed you have one installed), not respecting the perl set with
--with-perl-home, stored in $PERL.
Good point. And when it has been converted so that all these scripts are
run via $PERL then I think we should drop their exec-flags and
eventually also their shebang lines.
ls -l main/solenv/bin/*pl
shows that the exec-bits were handled inconsistently and the scripts
using them tended to be wrong by ignoring --with-perl-home.
I should try a full build renaming /usr/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl.foo
and configuring with --with-perl-home, I guess there will be more places
than the ones found in the attached patch.
This is an interesting experiment. Running
find . -name *.p[lm] -exec grep -l bin/perl {} \;
gives a first indication that there will be quite many areas where to
expect problems that cannot be easily found by the perl.foo experiment
such as the platform or language specific or scripts.
Herbert
