Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray m...@debian.org wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ Thanks for getting the funds released. Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? I was under the impression that they have not been. This will be helpful to know as we focus on how to plan the OpenOffice track within the ApacheCon Europe for November. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On 2012-06-19, at 21:26 , Sam Ruby wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? The funds have not been received. If it would help if we sent out an invoice, let me know (off-list) what should be on the invoice, and I will generate one. Thanks, Sam. Probably Ross would be the person to talk to about this. louis - Sam Ruby
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Don, On 2012-06-20, at 10:46 , Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. Louis Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
This is in hand. See the mail I sent last night to SPI (copied to the ooo-private@ and treasurer@ list as replies may contain financial information). Ross On 20 June 2012 15:46, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray m...@debian.org wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ Thanks for getting the funds released. Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? I was under the impression that they have not been. This will be helpful to know as we focus on how to plan the OpenOffice track within the ApacheCon Europe for November. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. Correction: Sam stated that the funds have NOT been received. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. While the check has not yet been received, I am confident that we will receive these funds, and we have sufficient funds to manage any 'float', so feel free to plan accordingly. Louis - Sam Ruby
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Don, On 2012-06-20, at 10:46 , Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. OK, great. Thank you very much, Louis. With respect to 'what we do now'... please take a look at the ApacheCON planning wiki[1] [1] http://s.apache.org/4cp I point to this as an Open Issue, and invite volunteers to come together to address this question in the context of supporting the conference. Louis Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray m...@debian.org wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ Thanks for getting the funds released. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Louis OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. Why is there no Apache OpenOffice listed on http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#O ? I suspect the donations held at SPI are earmarked for OpenOffice.org so can the Apache Software Foundation handle that and avoid using the funds for foundation-level costs? It's not clear to me from http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On 30 April 2012 09:27, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Louis I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. Why is there no Apache OpenOffice listed on http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#O ? That page lists Apache Top Level Projects. Apache OpenOffice is not yet a Top Level Project, it is still in the incubator and listed at http://incubator.apache.org/ The Apache OpenOffice site is at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ and the http://www.openoffice.org/ is now on ASF hardware. In order to become a Top Level Project AOO needs to release a version of OpenOffice which is licensed under an Apache license and have a community that is sufficiently divers to ensure long term viability. Diversity is not a problem and the first Apache licensed release is imminent. I suspect the donations held at SPI are earmarked for OpenOffice.org so can the Apache Software Foundation handle that and avoid using the funds for foundation-level costs? The money will be used for the exclusive benefit of the OpenOffice.org project (now Apache OpenOffice) for purposes described on the original collection page. Please note that this is an exception to the normal policy within the ASF, which does not generally accept targeted donations. However, since this money was donated for a specific set of uses the ASF will honour this and make the money available to the AOO project as a discretionary budget for uses defined by the SPI collection page. For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. Specifically: we [the AOO project] have a project-wide consensus that any funds SPI has collected be used for developer travel and event planning. If we can piggyback on larger ASF events, this money can go a long way. Though the original information page said the monies collected might also be used to pay application developers, this use is off the table because ASF rules specifically prohibit their paying for development. Please note that the final stages of approval for the appropriate handling of this money is in progress at the ASF (I speak as a Member of the foundation, but not as a member of the Fundraising committee). We will not request final transfer until such approval has been confirmed by the Fundraising committee. However, I believe this to be a matter of process at this point. I'll leave it to the AOO community to address further issues and continue making arrangements, but if you require an official statement from the ASF please don't hesitate to ask. Ross It's not clear to me from http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Thanks, Michael! Best Louis On 2012-04-30, at 15:30 , Michael Schultheiss wrote: Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi All, First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using that list is public. Second, and the point of this communication: OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank you for them. Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need SPI but having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the transfer to Apache only complicates matters. We would like to to have those funds transferred via Wire to Apache. I can (or others who know more) supply the relevant bank information for that. I've sent a check for the current OO.org balance to the address listed at http://apache.org/foundation/contributing.html I overlooked the desire to wire the money when I initially read this message. Hopefully the different payment method won't be too much of a hassle. I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that can be used to further develop the project split among groups, however friendly, is counterproductive. The check should be received by 2012-05-04. -- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schul...@spi-inc.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Ross Gardler wrote: Please note that the final stages of approval for the appropriate handling of this money is in progress at the ASF (I speak as a Member of the foundation, but not as a member of the Fundraising committee). We will not request final transfer until such approval has been confirmed by the Fundraising committee. However, I believe this to be a matter of process at this point. Given this additional information, I've cancelled the scheduled check payment of the OpenOffice.org funds to the ASF. Once the ASF Fundraising committee finishes its approval process I can re-initiate the transfer. The easiest method for SPI to transfer the funds is a check but alternate methods of payment are also available if preferred. -- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schul...@spi-inc.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi All, First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using that list is public. Second, and the point of this communication: OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank you for them. Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need SPI but having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the transfer to Apache only complicates matters. We would like to to have those funds transferred via Wire to Apache. I can (or others who know more) supply the relevant bank information for that. I've sent a check for the current OO.org balance to the address listed at http://apache.org/foundation/contributing.html I overlooked the desire to wire the money when I initially read this message. Hopefully the different payment method won't be too much of a hassle. I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that can be used to further develop the project split among groups, however friendly, is counterproductive. The check should be received by 2012-05-04. -- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schul...@spi-inc.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
